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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:16:56 No.29932566 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>29932646 >>29932674 >>29932765 >>29933905 >>29935709 >>29936675 >>29939194

Does anyone else feel like Lusamine's entire appeal as a villain was diminished when it was revealed that she was under the influence of Nihilego? To be fair, it's an understandable move, but I feel like there would be more of an impact if she went the way of Cyrus, Ghetsis, or Lysandre.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:19:14 No.29932613 Report

Quoted By: >>29934049

It's because of her husband.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:19:16 No.29932615 Report

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They needed to redeem her to tie-up Lillie's character arc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:20:57 No.29932646 Report

Quoted By: >>29932788 >>29932789

>>29932566
The toxin doesn't make people evil. It just brings out their most extreme desires in an obsessive manner. She still shares some of the blame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:22:54 No.29932674 Report

Quoted By: >>29932711 >>29937071

>>29932566
>under the influence of Nihilego
You clearly don't understand, anon
She was NOT just being mind controlled by Nihilego, she legitimately wanted what she wanted. Lillie says as much when she says it's a struggle to get Lusamine to understand why what she did was wrong.

The reason she called Lillie beautiful after getting the stuffing beaten out of her fused form... I'm guessing it's supposed to show that she finally recognizes how Lillie's become strong without her control. Not just "oh mind control over".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:24:42 No.29932711 Report

Quoted By: >>29932731 >>29932750

>>29932674
Except "oh mind control over" is exactly what it was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:25:25 No.29932724 Report

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Lusamine used to be a good girl, then she lost her husband and went insane, ub-01 only made that insanity much worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:25:37 No.29932731 Report

Quoted By: >>29932772

>>29932711
Is this something revealed in post-game? 'Cause otherwise I'm not seeing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:26:10 No.29932742 Report

Quoted By: >>29932803

I want to fuck Lillie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:26:25 No.29932750 Report

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>>29932711
It wasn't mind control because Nihilego doesn't have enough will to control anything. She was high.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:27:00 No.29932763 Report

Quoted By: >>29932772

Why are we allowed to catch mind control jelly fish?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:27:06 No.29932765 Report

Quoted By: >>29932894 >>29933984

>>29932566
Shes honestly a pretty terrible villain, all of her evil smiles make me cringe, her hair is dumb, and her motive is just weak.

I would have preferred Guzma as the Big Bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:27:36 No.29932772 Report

Quoted By: >>29939275

>>29932731
Nah. The Pokedex entry for Nihilego even says that it's a parasite that doesn't control its host, it just uses a drug-like poison that makes them go crazy.

>>29932763
Why are we allowed to pet it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:28:30 No.29932788 Report

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>>29932646
This,Lusamine Was evil by nature

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:28:33 No.29932789 Report

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>>29932646
...Why crazy lady obsessive over hau then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:29:08 No.29932803 Report

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>>29932742
best post in this thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:30:11 No.29932827 Report

Quoted By: >>29936714

This is what happened
>Lusamine was a good girl
>Her husband was sucked by ultra protals, only leaving documents about ub-01
>Lusamine snapped and became obsessed with ultra portals and ub-01 just to find her husband
>she finds UB-01 and its parasitic nature infected lusamine, turning her obsession to insane levels
In end, she wasn't evil, just a victim of tragic circumstances that drove her to the edge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:31:44 No.29932855 Report

Quoted By: >>29932946

OP didn't understand the story. Her deceased husband was after the UBs, and when he died she became obsessed with them.

Plus Nihilego just intensifies people's obsessions so everything she did was 100% her

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:31:48 No.29932860 Report

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>Nihilego brings out a person's most extreme desires and makes them violent.
Gee Game Freak, nice rip off you got there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:33:21 No.29932894 Report

Quoted By: >>29932919 >>29933984

>>29932765
> implying Our Boi could ever be bad
KILL YOURSELF FGT

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:34:54 No.29932919 Report

Quoted By: >>29937169

>>29932894
But hes such a dick anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:34:56 No.29932921 Report

Quoted By: >>29932975

If the father is the one who discovered Ultra Wormholes, and is supposedly dead, then who is Mohn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:36:26 No.29932946 Report

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>>29932855
He didn't die, he was sucked by an ultra portal...then appeared in island in a conner of alola, unable to remember anything but his name and settle here, go fat and started a small service realted to EV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 19:37:30 No.29932975 Report

Quoted By: >>29937394

>>29932921
The father, he just lost his memory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:27:57 No.29933905 Report

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>>29932566
Nihilego did nothing wrong.

Lusamine was a bad influence on her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:31:03 No.29933984 Report

Quoted By:

>>29932765
>>29932894
GUZMA WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 20:33:25 No.29934049 Report

Quoted By: >>29936573

>>29932613
WHY THE FUCK IS MOHN JUST IN POKE PELAGO WANKING TO SOME BEANS THEY'RE NOT EVEN SUBTLE ABOUT IT

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 21:43:43 No.29935709 Report

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>>29932566
Wicke confirms in postgame that Nihelego can't actually change someone's desires, I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:19:05 No.29936573 Report

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>>29934049
Is not obvious that he doesn't remember a shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:23:27 No.29936675 Report

Quoted By: >>29936714 >>29936757

>>29932566
You do remember that she was evil BEFORE she saw the ultra beasts, right? She was going nuts and mistreating her children long before she came into actual contact with squidkid

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:25:14 No.29936714 Report

Quoted By: >>29936757

>>29936675
So what >>29932827 said?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:27:00 No.29936757 Report

Quoted By: >>29937044

>>29936675
And her husband fucking off to score squid pussy doesn't mean she was somehow infected with squid aids. That came years later.

>>29936714
No, because she was crazy obsessive before the squid. Pay attention

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:38:13 No.29937044 Report

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>>29936757
Yeah, Lillie even says that she got even worse after Gladion left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:39:06 No.29937071 Report

Quoted By: >>29937146

>>29932674
Is she in a coma by the end? I went straight to beating the Elite Four and in the end it was hinted she was awake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:42:06 No.29937146 Report

Quoted By: >>29938358

>>29937071
She's awake, but very weak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:43:02 No.29937169 Report

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>>29932919
Yeah, the DICK OF MY HEART.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:45:57 No.29937244 Report

Quoted By: >>29937310 >>29937579

Is every parent in Sun/Moon abusive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:48:15 No.29937310 Report

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>>29937244
Not your mom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:51:55 No.29937394 Report

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>>29932975
Proof?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 22:58:54 No.29937579 Report

Quoted By: >>29937619

>>29937244
Your mom isn't, Hau's are normal, probably

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:00:20 No.29937619 Report

Quoted By: >>29937652

>>29937579
Hau's father left the family because he got sick of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:01:53 No.29937652 Report

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>>29937619
They could have gone with him, he was sick of Hala and being compared to him not his whole family.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:29:39 No.29938227 Report

Quoted By: >>29938265 >>29938662 >>29938770 >>29939063

I think Cyrus was the best villain of the series.

The man had a horrid childhood growing up, being neglected if not outright abused. In turn, he became so emotionally fucked up he decided to create a world without any emotion with which he could conflict. The man pursued a goal not out of ambition, but out of cynicism and numbness. Yet he still manages to come off as morbidly polite to the protag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:31:20 No.29938265 Report

Quoted By: >>29938630

>>29938227
Because he wasn't doing anything wrong. Religions focus on having users escape from the illusions created by emotions into nirvana.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:35:36 No.29938358 Report

Quoted By: >>29938650

>>29937146
Is she in a vegetative state? Is that how weak she was?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:47:55 No.29938595 Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atiRDtPcRIc
>this was Lusamine's theme even from before you knew she was evil
They weren't even pretending to fool anyone, huh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:49:56 No.29938630 Report

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>>29938265
But he was planning on destroying the world at a metaphysical level to make room for his new one. He didn't care about the current world in its entirety, let alone the people that lived in it.

The fact that he abandoned his emotional drive to destroy all emotion in the world is heartless on many levels, but said numbness came off as relatable to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:51:29 No.29938650 Report

Quoted By: >>29939199

>>29938358
She's not a vegetable. At the party when you become Champ Lillie mentions that she wanted to come, too, but she was still too weak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:52:16 No.29938662 Report

Quoted By: >>29938727

>>29938227
I remember thinking he was the worst antagonist after playing Pearl, but something about Platinum made him so much better. It was probably the Distortion World.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:54:07 No.29938705 Report

Quoted By: >>29938776 >>29938798

Why didn't Lillie just leave Lusamine in the distortion world after she said she didn't want to leave? She was clearly happy there, just take ya boi and leave her to get squidfucked

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:55:02 No.29938727 Report

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>>29938662
Yeah. In Plat he was more focused on the creation of the new world, now that it was actually illustrated, than on himself being the ruler of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:56:43 No.29938770 Report

Quoted By: >>29938859

>>29938227

>I'm creating a world without feelings because I can't handle having my feelings hurt

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:56:57 No.29938776 Report

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>>29938705
Because Lusamine would have completely lost her mind and eventually died if they left her in the Ultra Dimension and despite everything Lillie still loved her mom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Nov 2016 23:57:55 No.29938798 Report

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>>29938705
I think Lusamine wanted to destroy our world so that there was nothing else BUT her and Nihilego.

Also, apparently its the "Ultra Dimension." The Distortion World is essentially subspace while the Ultra Dimension is, predictably, a whole dimension unto itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2016 00:00:26 No.29938859 Report

Quoted By: >>29939915

>>29938770
Now, that's exaggerating. It's more like
>Emotions and spirit are roadblocks to my thoughts and logic, so I'm creating a world without them so my thoughts can go unimpeded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2016 00:09:09 No.29939063 Report

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>>29938227
>Wants to create a world without any emotion
>Gets trapped in an emotionless void at the end of the game

POTTERY
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Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2016 00:15:45 No.29939194 Report

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>>29932566
Her appeal as a villain was sacrificed for her appeal as a character. It's a nice change of pace since most Pokémon villains are "hurr I do bad thing"-tier simple. It's a story about a woman and her family. You don't always need a Earth/universe-destroying megalomaniac as your villain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2016 00:15:55 No.29939199 Report

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>>29938650
Ohhh, ok. That clears some things up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2016 00:19:11 No.29939275 Report

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>>29932772
AU where capturing Nihilego makes your character get high as well. Your appearance changes (mostly the face expression) and you unlock a new story where people try to save you from the effects

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2016 00:48:44 No.29939915 Report

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>>29938859

yes you are right, sounds a lot better

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