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Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 15:15:32 No.30036451 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>30036468 >>30037178 >>30038097 >>30038104 >>30038402

>Ash-greninja using water shuriken will always hit 3 times

90 (135 after STAB) base power priority move is very nice but I just don't understand why they removed the 2-5 hit chance.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 15:16:34 No.30036468 Report

Quoted By: >>30036793

>>30036451
>Ash-greninja using water shuriken will always hit 3 times

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 15:36:09 No.30036793 Report

Quoted By: >>30036866

>>30036468
It has been 3 11 times in a row for me now. It's true nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 15:40:34 No.30036866 Report

Quoted By: >>30037092 >>30037234

>>30036793
I knew common folk can't into statistics but you're a class of your own

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 15:54:04 No.30037092 Report

Quoted By: >>30037117

>>30036866
Prove me wrong faggit. The chance of it hitting 3 times 11 times in a row is 0.0005%. This was also the case for the demo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 15:55:55 No.30037117 Report

Quoted By: >>30037160 >>30037234 >>30037346

>>30037092
You're a special kind of stupid. Each chance is independent of the other chances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 15:58:24 No.30037160 Report

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>>30037117
It's a 33.3% of hitting two times, 33.3% of three, 16.7% of fours and 16.7% of five

0.33^11=~0.0005%

It's simple math you fucking retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 15:59:15 No.30037178 Report

Quoted By: >>30037205 >>30037215

>>30036451
I take it he isn't breedable right? Why the fuck is it neutral nature of all things

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:01:17 No.30037205 Report

Quoted By: >>30037334

>>30037178
It's SRable so you can get any nature you want. But you can't breed it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:01:36 No.30037215 Report

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>>30037178
So that you can raise it special or physical without sweating the fact that it has a bad nature for that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:02:57 No.30037234 Report

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>>30036866
>>30037117
>calls other people stupid when he can't into basic math

Off yourself you huge fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:08:04 No.30037334 Report

Quoted By: >>30037431

>>30037205
>SRable
It was confirmed that the demo Greninja is always neutral nature with fixed EVs and IVs.
Or can you SR in the actual game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:08:27 No.30037346 Report

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>>30037117
You don't really understand probability. The chance of getting 3 hits after getting the same 11 times in a row doesn't change, but the chance of getting 3 hits 11 times in a row on its own is very small.

If you're flipping a coin, the chance of getting tails after getting it 10 times in a row isn't any smaller than any other time, but the chance of getting tails 10 times in a row is 0.5^10=0.001.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:14:02 No.30037431 Report

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>>30037334
SR in the game you tard. I have a naive one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:16:15 No.30037470 Report

Quoted By: >>30037492

Can I still get Ash-Greninja by playing the demo if I already started a Moon playthrough?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:17:14 No.30037492 Report

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>>30037470
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:23:58 No.30037634 Report

Quoted By: >>30038012 >>30038328

Smogonfags already confirmed the Battle Bond power up to Water Shrunken.

>15 BP -> 30 BP
>11% chance to hit 2 times
>66% chance to hit 3 times
>11% chance to hit 4 times
>11% chance to hit 5 times

How is anyone still arguing this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:27:55 No.30037719 Report

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They should have made it so he could use a Z-Move Water Shuriken without holding an item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:43:05 No.30038012 Report

Quoted By: >>30038047

>>30037634
so is ash geningga getting banned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:44:45 No.30038047 Report

Quoted By: >>30038071 >>30038086

>>30038012
I'd doubt it considering how easy it would be to keep Battle Bond away

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:45:24 No.30038055 Report

Quoted By: >>30038153

How do you get him in game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:46:05 No.30038071 Report

Quoted By: >>30038084 >>30038164

>>30038047
just slap a water Z crystal on it.
I'm pretty sure Z crustal also have a plate effect of boosting those moves by 20% too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:46:57 No.30038084 Report

Quoted By: >>30038110 >>30038159

>>30038071
also, when hydro vortex is used with water shuriken, I'm pretty sure it gets priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:46:57 No.30038086 Report

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>>30038047
Anybody that isn't retarded would be able to activate it though. It's the perfect late game sweeper. You just need to run u-turn on it and life orb regular greninja can still hit hard. You just need to switch him in on low health pokemon and if they switch out being afraid of battle bond activating you still get a free hit + u-turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:47:16 No.30038097 Report

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>>30036451

Still probably isn't as bad as protean

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:47:28 No.30038104 Report

Quoted By: >>30038153

>>30036451
what nature do i SR him for

munchlax too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:47:46 No.30038110 Report

Quoted By: >>30038159

>>30038084
It doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:49:50 No.30038153 Report

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>>30038055
Play the demo and transfer him- Learn how to read a thread newfag

>>30038104
In sun and moon there aren't any move tutors able to teach it gunk shit, low kick and ice punch plus water shuriken is a special move so timid/modest is the best atm unless you run u-turn which you will be forced to do anyway. Just go with hasty or naive. It can't take a hit anyway and we might get move tutors in the next game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:50:07 No.30038159 Report

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>>30038084
>>30038110
yea all attacks just determine power
So use it with hydro cannon
There are also support Z moves like Z steal rocks that do weird things

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:50:23 No.30038164 Report

Quoted By: >>30038199

>>30038071
that's wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:52:02 No.30038199 Report

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>>30038164
that's what showdown is currently doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 16:58:12 No.30038328 Report

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>>30037634
Jesus, so you have a 89% chance of getting an +90 base power priority move that can have a max damage of 150 that which hits harder than fucking origin pulse from Primal Kyogre in rain if it holds a life orb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 17:01:35 No.30038402 Report

Quoted By: >>30038492

>>30036451
But can it kill Charizard X?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 17:04:59 No.30038492 Report

Quoted By: >>30038531

>>30038402
252 SpA Ash-Greninja Water Shuriken (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard X: 320-380 (107.7 - 127.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 17:06:33 No.30038531 Report

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>>30038492
So after 2 thunderbolts it should be kill able in the 3 hit range

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 17:59:52 No.30039574 Report

Quoted By: >>30039662 >>30039705

How many Blast Burns can it take?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:03:49 No.30039662 Report

Quoted By: >>30039697

>>30039574

The same as normal Greninja, it doesn't gain any bulk upon transforming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:05:49 No.30039697 Report

Quoted By: >>30039718

>>30039662
252+ SpA Mega Charizard X Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 178-210 (62.4 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

So two.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:06:10 No.30039705 Report

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>>30039574
DELET THIS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:07:03 No.30039718 Report

Quoted By: >>30039747 >>30039760

>>30039697

Who runs 252 SpA on Charizard X though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:08:47 No.30039747 Report

Quoted By: >>30039768 >>30039779 >>30039825

>>30039718
Alain does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:09:14 No.30039760 Report

Quoted By: >>30039779 >>30039825

>>30039718
the champion of kalos

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:09:50 No.30039768 Report

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>>30039747
But his other moves are all physical

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:10:41 No.30039779 Report

Quoted By: >>30039817 >>30039857 >>30039905

>>30039747
>>30039760
alan runs a mixed one, can grenigger survive a blast burn after getting hit at least once by dragon claw?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:12:39 No.30039817 Report

Quoted By: >>30039897 >>30039926

>>30039779

252 physical attack Dragon claw does 82.4 - 97.1%, so no.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:13:02 No.30039825 Report

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>>30039747
>>30039760

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:14:30 No.30039857 Report

Quoted By: >>30039926

>>30039779
Can it survive a tough claws dragon claw in the first place?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:16:10 No.30039897 Report

Quoted By: >>30039924

>>30039817
Well can a non mega Charizard survive 2 thunderbolts then a water SHURIKEN?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:16:23 No.30039905 Report

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>>30039779
considering ash runs a phisical greninja
>252 Atk Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mega Charizard X: 48-57 (31.3 - 37.2%) -- approx. 54.6% chance to 3HKO
>252 SpA Mega Charizard X Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 84-100 (57.1 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
poor frog never had a chance

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:17:43 No.30039924 Report

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>>30039897
If it's solar powered, it probably won't have to, but it'd probably be a double KO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:17:49 No.30039926 Report

Quoted By:

>>30039857

Just barely >>30039817

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2016 18:18:53 No.30039947 Report

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ash needs to stop falling for the mixed attacker meme, specially with pikachu

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