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Make Pokemon Difficult

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:29:04 No.30211357 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>30211403 >>30211479 >>30211685 >>30211868 >>30211956 >>30211994 >>30212289 >>30212397 >>30213365

How would you do it /vp/? And how would you make sure it doesn't feel unfair?

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Bruxish !!TORtoOQMEfy Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:29:38 No.30211373 Report

Quoted By: >>30211718

less double team
more swords dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:30:58 No.30211403 Report

Quoted By: >>30212269

>>30211357

remove levels

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:34:23 No.30211479 Report

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>>30211357
I'd just play your pic related, or, really, anything before gen 6, but especially mystery dungeon red rescue team, if it doesn't matter which Pokemon game I play, of course.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:44:35 No.30211685 Report

Quoted By: >>30211969

>>30211357
You can only encounter the weakest pokemons and get the strongest pokemons after you beat the Champion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:45:59 No.30211718 Report

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>>30211373
alolamola

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:50:40 No.30211808 Report

Quoted By: >>30211875 >>30212006

The game smoothly ramps to an E4/League that is all level 100. You can't just outgrind them, you can only outtrain and outbattle them.

There, fixed the entire series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:53:15 No.30211868 Report

Quoted By: >>30212314

>>30211357
literally sun and moon without exp share.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:53:38 No.30211875 Report

Quoted By: >>30212295

>>30211808
You still got to allow children to beat the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:55:15 No.30211907 Report

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stop fighting during wild encounters, it's weird nobody knows this yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:57:10 No.30211956 Report

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>>30211357
>Trainers have more than just level-up movesets on their Pokemon
>Gym Leaders and League members have fully competitive builds on their Pokemon, and in Gym Leader/League battles the levels are all scaled, as they are in multiplayer and battle facilities
>Frequent auto-save, so you can't savescum your money or items back if you use them wrong or lose against a trainer
>More trainers with either Z-Crystals or Megas
That seems good enough to me. I don't need some bullshit difficulty hack where the E4 has level 100s and shit like that, just some retweaking of the main game would do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:57:29 No.30211969 Report

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>>30211685
Retarded idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:58:34 No.30211994 Report

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>>30211357
Pokemon is still based on the traditional JRPG formula so you can always just grind to trivialize anything in the story. You can make the exp rubberbanding so bad that grinding is impossible, but then balance becomes a huge task because casuals won't be able to brute force their way through the story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 16:58:51 No.30212006 Report

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>>30211808
>making pokemon a 100+ hour game
Alternatively
>making pokemon piss easy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:02:00 No.30212075 Report

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Make the AI not suck.
Difficulty isn't just about making you grind more, it's about making you use your brain to figure out a strategy. and that's not really necessary if just spamming your best attack is more than enough against almost every NPC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:06:46 No.30212196 Report

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>remove levels
>magikarp is the only pokemon in the game
whoever gets to use struggle first wins

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:09:22 No.30212248 Report

Quoted By: >>30212370 >>30212396

Just give all the NPCs better teams.
>trainers don't just use whatever is on the route
>gym leaders don't have easily sweepable monotype teams
>evil grunts don't just have dark and poison types
You can still brute force by powerleveling, but NPC teams will be less predictable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:10:47 No.30212269 Report

Quoted By: >>30212564

>>30211403
Normally I'd cal you a retarded faggot but JRPG levels are generally pointless and retarded. I hate leveling systems where "you just get better" if there isn't some sort of decision making involved the leveling is literally irrelevant.

There are other ways you could handle learning and choosing new moves. I guess you would need to figure out evolutions though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:12:16 No.30212289 Report

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>>30211357
Remove shift battle style and play on set, only use 1 or 2 healing items like the AI, don't revive during battle, turn exp share off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:12:34 No.30212295 Report

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>>30211875
Have a "not a child" mode in the options.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:14:03 No.30212314 Report

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>>30211868
>switch my pokemon around to spread xp even more efficiently than exp share.
>get 10-20 levels ahead of the current content.

Get rekt fag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:15:28 No.30212331 Report

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1) Make pokeballs a limited resource
Because HMs are a thing of the past, no need to worry about being locked out of a particular area. So boost the prices on everything by a considerable margin

2)Lock IV's of wild pokemon to less than 10
Foes can use progressively better IV's, need to breed to get better IV's but bred pokemon always have the average +5 of their parents.

3) More rubber band xp
For post game grinding introduce a system that boosts xp like O-Powers, but more dramatic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:16:02 No.30212341 Report

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make everything a double battle and have the ai take advantage of it. did wonders for colosseum and gale of darkness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:17:35 No.30212370 Report

Quoted By: >>30212396

>>30212248
They tried that before and people complained.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:18:39 No.30212396 Report

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>>30212370
>>30212248
Meant to greentext
>gym leaders don't have easily sweepable monotype teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:18:41 No.30212397 Report

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>>30211357
It's tough outside of restricted battlemodes and shit and I think the difficulty of those is fine since fucking Pokemon Stadium, with the difficulty peak being RNG Frontier and XD´s tournaments and challenges

If you just inflate the levels you just would have to grind more which nobody in their right mind should want honestly.

They actually started going in the right direction this gen, with more sensible teams and movesets for the NPC teams later on.
While almost all are still themed, the array of type combinations and distribution of strong not STAB moves like earthquake or thunderbolt is heavily improved.

>"Eh just a fucking Slowking what can it possibly do against my Spacelion"
>Flamethrower
>"Oh..."

There is still alot room though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:19:14 No.30212409 Report

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No free healthcare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:26:08 No.30212564 Report

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>>30212269
>every mon has a unique skill tree
>instead of levelling up you get skill points
>use skill points to unlock stat boosts and learn new attacks
>unlock enough spaces and your mon will evolve
>evolving adds more branches to the skill tree

As for mons that don't evolve by level up, instead their branches open up when their conditions are activated.
You can only evolve Inkay if you allocate its stats while your 3DS is upside down

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:27:01 No.30212585 Report

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it feels like pokemon games only ever manage to be challenging during the earlier portions because throwing up like a starmie or a miltank at those stages in the game is a significant threat

later on you have about equivelant levels but you also have ideal movesets and items and evs taking effect over time

also pokemon selection is a big deal too, like if you could just run past watson's gym, catch a numel then come back and battle him you would destroy them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Nov 2016 17:59:38 No.30213365 Report

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>>30211357
Elite Four and a Champion with all pokemon at least at over level 80. Superboss with 6 level 100 pokemon, much better AI for all trainers, expanded totem pokemon concept.

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