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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:19:35 No.30264893 View View Reply Original Report

So, i don't get it

Some people say it's 2X in the games
some people say it's 1.33x (showdown)

BY HOW MUCH DOES ASH-GRENINJA WATER SHURIKEN GET STRONGER?

Also Ash-Greninja thread. it's confirmed to be 3hits only as Ash-Greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:20:47 No.30264943 Report

Quoted By: >>30265031

>>30264893
look it up on serebii you fun newfriend :3c

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:23:13 No.30265021 Report

Quoted By: >>30265092

>>30264893
Source on 3 hits confirmed? I've seen some people say this, as well as some people saying otherwise, but no one fucking posts any proof, and Serebii/Bulbapedo doesn't mention it.

I don't have Ash-Greninja myself so I can't test it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:23:32 No.30265031 Report

Quoted By: >>30265118

>>30264943
there is nothing there about how much powerful it gets

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:24:56 No.30265092 Report

Quoted By: >>30266589

>>30265021
i tried it for too much times. 10 times in row it's 3hits.
but it's feel far stronger than 1.33x, so idk about why people keep saying it's 1.33x

can't people data-mine it to know how much?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:25:32 No.30265118 Report

Quoted By: >>30265209 >>30265237

>>30265031
http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-sm/watershuriken.shtml

;-;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:27:55 No.30265209 Report

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>>30265118
kind spoonfeeder, i hope you dont let people walk all over you irl

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:28:35 No.30265237 Report

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>>30265118
Well desu i didn't tought it will be there

so it's 1.5x by serebii. why does Showdown say it's 1.33x?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:29:50 No.30265272 Report

Quoted By: >>30265306 >>30265637

According to the smogon thread, it has 3 hits at 20 power each.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:30:45 No.30265306 Report

Quoted By: >>30265656 >>30265752

>>30265272
What would they even know? They don't play the games, they just play on the simulator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:39:27 No.30265637 Report

Quoted By: >>30266852

>>30265272
i saw it myself, but it feels stronger than 1.33x for sure.

the 3hit is true, idk about the 1.33x.

can it be viable?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:39:51 No.30265656 Report

Quoted By: >>30265673

>>30265306

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:40:31 No.30265673 Report

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>>30265656
Sorry senpai, didn't mean to hit a nerve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:42:24 No.30265734 Report

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http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sun-moon-battle-mechanics-research.3586701/page-45#post-7101168

Apparently it's sourced from the player's guide (which could be wrong fwif)

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:42:47 No.30265752 Report

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>>30265306
are you retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:01:10 No.30266302 Report

Quoted By: >>30266775

So what is the best set for Ash-Greninja? what are good team mates for a team around him?

i want to use it and go IKU Z

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:10:22 No.30266589 Report

Quoted By: >>30266847

>>30265092
>it's feel far stronger than 1.33x
are you taking into account the stat boost that you get from changing form?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:16:04 No.30266775 Report

Quoted By: >>30266878 >>30267192

>>30266302
Water Shrunken
Dark Pulse
Ice Beam
Grass Knot/Extrasensory

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:18:32 No.30266847 Report

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>>30266589
i do, it's still feel stronger than it.

even still, when you actually calc it it's doing bretty gud damage

252 SpA Life Orb Ash-Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 81-96 (39.1 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

It's hitting harder than Scizor, almost close to Talonflame (RIP in pieces)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:18:43 No.30266852 Report

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>>30265637
It's absolutely viable since it gets priority and breaks sashes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:19:35 No.30266878 Report

Quoted By: >>30267144

>>30266775
But what if you need a strong water move before changing forms?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:28:37 No.30267144 Report

Quoted By: >>30267290

>>30266878
I use the same as him, but hydro pump instead of grass knot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:30:17 No.30267192 Report

Quoted By: >>30267290

>>30266775
Swap the last slot for Hydro Pump and slap Waterium-Z on it.

Play Iku Z whenever you do use it and are in Battle Bond form

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:32:26 No.30267248 Report

Quoted By: >>30267264

Can you breed Battle Bond Froakies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:33:16 No.30267264 Report

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>>30267248
Nope, unbreedable.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:34:13 No.30267290 Report

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>>30267192
>>30267144

desu senpai it can work if you use Greninja for killing stuff that weak to ice/dark/extrasens

Extrasense is gud with life orb for Toxapex
Water Shuriken after battle bond is better than Scizor and hitting hard.

Ash-Greninja is a classic late game cleaner

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:36:14 No.30267340 Report

Quoted By: >>30267390

>use ash greninja in game
>Water Shuriken ALWAYS hit 3 times
>plus Battle Bond gives 30 per hit, instead of 20 per hit
>add STAB
>you have a solid 90-100 power water move that got moved to special move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:37:57 No.30267390 Report

Quoted By: >>30267423 >>30267424 >>30268304

>>30267340
Isn't it 20 per hit instead of 15?

or did you mean 90bp after STAB

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:39:04 No.30267423 Report

Quoted By: >>30267487

>>30267390

base water shuriken deals 20 per hit, Battle Bond deals 30 per hit.

my mistake, fucked up something while typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:39:06 No.30267424 Report

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>>30267390
I thought it was a 1.5x boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:40:50 No.30267487 Report

Quoted By: >>30268304

>>30267423
Base Water Shuriken has 15 base.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 05:07:46 No.30268304 Report

Quoted By:

>>30267487
>>30267390
it's 15+50% for BB
then 50% more for STAB
33ish I think

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