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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:00:16 No.30293328 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>30293382 >>30293428 >>30293479 >>30293738 >>30294630 >>30294932 >>30295020 >>30296821 >>30298252 >>30299576

Smogon UU speculation. We can all shut up about Decidueye being OU now. Also Bewear is apparently a fucking beast.
It kinda hurts to see Incineroar not being that viable, but at least there's Intimidate to look forward to

Link:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sun-moon-uu-speculation-and-discussion-thread.3587419/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:02:01 No.30293382 Report

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>>30293328
Seems about right

what are OU's greatest hits aside from Tapus and UBs? Any regular mons manage to keep up with the best of the best aside from just Toxapex?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:04:20 No.30293428 Report

Quoted By: >>30293725

>>30293328
Flygon might come out of RU now that it gets DD

Dodrio has SD, more attack and Jump Kick so it might rise a tier or two

Incineroar being unviable is something we've already known, it's just arcanine with rose recovery and it loses its resistance to Bug and Fairy on top of taking more damage from Fighting

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:06:33 No.30293479 Report

Quoted By: >>30293530 >>30293566 >>30293725 >>30293908

>>30293328
>both bewear and mimikyu ending up in UU
If salazzle ends up UU as well, I'll start playing UU instead of OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:08:39 No.30293530 Report

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>>30293479
literally everyone already knew they'd end up there
also uu is not yet a tier as far as i know

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:09:52 No.30293566 Report

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>>30293479
Its bulk is not enough to keep it in OU so it will definetly drop at some point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:11:05 No.30293604 Report

Quoted By: >>30296875

>nerf to pixilate
>throat cop incineroar
>soundproof kommo-o

Well? Is Sylveon going to switch to moonblast as its attacking move of choice? It's now 108 BP vs 95 BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:11:33 No.30293622 Report

Quoted By: >>30293824

I highly doubt Mimikyu will stay in UU. that rat bastard fucks shit up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:14:44 No.30293719 Report

Quoted By: >>30293778 >>30294706 >>30294790

Really doubt primarina is going to be a staple

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:14:59 No.30293725 Report

Quoted By: >>30293827 >>30297639

>>30293428
Yeah Flygon looks pretty good right now, doutb it'll be staying RU

Dodrio could be really good in NU, but I doubt it'll get into RU

Incineroar is meh right now only because it doesn't have its HA yet. I think it will be on par with the other tow once it's released. From what they say it's gonna be a bulky band user anyway

>>30293479
>not playing NU, the best and most fun and fast paced tier out of all of them.
Also we don't know if Bewear will stay. It might actually be amazing in OU too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:15:18 No.30293738 Report

Quoted By: >>30293833

>>30293328
Seems pretty accurate, but I'm very suprised to see Mimikyu that high in the tiers. Primarina and Decidueye ended up in a nicely balanced tier, despite all the shit they got. Incineroar got shafted because it doesn't have Intimidate yet.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:16:43 No.30293778 Report

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>>30293719
owlfag detected

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:18:28 No.30293824 Report

Quoted By: >>30296693

>>30293622
Yeah but mimikyu can't take a hit from anything with even decent attack. UU or possibly BL at best.

Love this little guy, one of my favorite pokemon. Hopefully it ends up UU so I could use it in both UU and OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:18:31 No.30293827 Report

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>>30293725
Hey aren't you Araquanid on the Smogon Forums ? If not then ignore this post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:18:43 No.30293833 Report

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>>30293738
they didn't end up anywhere
this is a speculation thread

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:20:43 No.30293908 Report

Quoted By: >>30294042

>>30293479

UU has always been the best format even when it was called BL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:25:10 No.30294042 Report

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>>30293908
I never played UU because many of my favorite pokemon ended up OU or BL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:26:19 No.30294075 Report

Quoted By: >>30294269

I hope UU doesn't ban Auto-Weather again.

It'd be fun to see Gigalith, Pelipper/Politoed, Torkoal/Ninetails all in a tier together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:29:17 No.30294163 Report

Quoted By: >>30294180 >>30294231 >>30294246 >>30294361 >>30294775 >>30305502

so what do all these tier acronyms mean?

what's OU, UU, NU, etc?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:29:49 No.30294180 Report

Quoted By: >>30294231 >>30294257 >>30294775

>>30294163
OverUsed
UnderUsed
NeverUsed
BL is BorderLine I believe

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:30:51 No.30294231 Report

Quoted By: >>30294257 >>30294775

>>30294163
>>30294180
forgot about RU for a sec, RarelyUsed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:31:18 No.30294246 Report

Quoted By: >>30294775

>>30294163
Over used
Under used
Never used
Rarely used
Partially used
BL Border line

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:31:39 No.30294257 Report

Quoted By: >>30294304 >>30294369 >>30294775

>>30294180
>>30294231
Alright, and I imagine they go
OU
UU
RU
NU
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:31:53 No.30294269 Report

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>>30294075
but they're all in PU together

Rain is probably getting a banhammer unless Pelipper ends up in OU. Really hoping they won't ban Drought tho, it's much easier to deal with

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:33:03 No.30294304 Report

Quoted By: >>30294325 >>30294373 >>30294775

>>30294257
PU comes after NU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:33:40 No.30294325 Report

Quoted By: >>30294380

>>30294304
right, thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:34:47 No.30294361 Report

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UU is going to be lots of fun

>>30294163
Over Used
Under Used
Rarely Used
Never Used
PU = Pee Ew (Because they stink)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:34:53 No.30294369 Report

Quoted By: >>30294546

>>30294257
yeah. Then there's PU, which doesn't have an official name. It was a joke tier at first but it gained enough of attention to become official and they didn't want to change a name because it would confuse people

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:34:58 No.30294373 Report

Quoted By: >>30294782

>>30294304
PU?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:35:21 No.30294380 Report

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>>30294325

and then theres the unofficial FU tier which consist of the dregs of PU

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:38:15 No.30294479 Report

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>>30294380
kek

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:40:05 No.30294534 Report

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>>30294380
What fully evolved mons are so bad that they are full two tiers below NU

Aside from ledian

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:40:29 No.30294546 Report

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>>30294369
So when is FU gonna become an official tier ? I already know who's first in line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:41:17 No.30294568 Report

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>>30294534
Prolly gimmicky shit like spinda, farfetch'd, and unown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:41:53 No.30294601 Report

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>>30294534
Meganium is the first to come up. It's so bad even in PU no one uses it. Magcargo is another one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:42:26 No.30294615 Report

Quoted By: >>30295391

>>30294546
I think it was shut down due to lack of interest. The leader literally quit too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:43:00 No.30294630 Report

Quoted By: >>30294653

>>30293328
fuck smogon, use what you like!

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:43:36 No.30294653 Report

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>>30294630
That's why the tiers exist retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:44:08 No.30294668 Report

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>>30294534
Watchog was a shitmon even in FU. No kidding

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:45:35 No.30294706 Report

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>>30293719
I hate the design, but even with Gamefreak trying you CAN"T fuck up a Water / Fairy. UU is the lowest it will ever be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:47:24 No.30294775 Report

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>>30294163
>>30294180
>>30294231
>>30294246
>>30294257
>>30294304
All wrong, is as follows;
AU - Always Used
RU - Regularly Used
FU - Frequently Used
CU - Consistently Used
UU - Unfortunately Used
SU - Sorta Used
HU - Hardly Used
OU - Occasionally Used
NU - Niggas Use
BL - But Lickers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:47:44 No.30294782 Report

Quoted By: >>30294876

>>30294373
It's a joke tier where the shittest of mons went. In time a metagame formed around it and now it's the tier below Never Used.
PU itself isn't an acronym, it was used to say that the Pokemon in it stink (Pee Yew! What stinks?).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:47:53 No.30294790 Report

Quoted By: >>30295059 >>30295419

>>30293719
Same. It's even less useful than Vaporeon and the mods warn you if you say Vaporeon is useable in UU in the UU room. Maybe it will be used as glue in really Hydreigon weak teams but that's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:49:27 No.30294836 Report

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>Kommo-o

252+ SpA Life Orb Comfey Draining Kiss vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Kommo-o: 333-395 (94 - 111.5%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:50:38 No.30294876 Report

Quoted By: >>30294937

>>30294782
>Pee Yew! What stinks?
wat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:52:19 No.30294932 Report

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>>30293328
Has showdown been updated with models yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:52:29 No.30294937 Report

Quoted By: >>30295122

>>30294876
Are you not a native English speaker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:54:53 No.30295020 Report

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>>30293328
>tfw Incineroarfags thought Primerina and Decidueye weren't viable at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:56:02 No.30295059 Report

Quoted By: >>30295202 >>30295213

>>30294790
Why exactly ? Like what caused that meme to begin with ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2016 23:57:52 No.30295122 Report

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>>30294937
Nein.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:00:18 No.30295202 Report

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>>30295059
There's bulkier water types, more damaging water types and Alomomola is technically a better wish passer the things Vaporeon has over any other are its Water Absorption deterring Scald spam and Baton Pass allowing it to pivot into frailer mons safely and letting them get wishes without taking damage (Before BP got banned in order to make canceronion slightly less annoying (it didn't work)). However I got warned for saying Vaporeon was good despite being top 18 in ladder and using a Vaporeon effectively anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:00:33 No.30295213 Report

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>>30295059
Is just bad, he shouldnt be UU, Alomomola is better and is just RU
In the viability ranking Vaporeon have an exclusive place in the D rank, the lower in the tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:02:57 No.30295293 Report

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>>30294534

More than they're should be. You know a Pokemon has it bad when the Smogon summary in PU says nothing good about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:06:15 No.30295391 Report

Quoted By: >>30295969 >>30297458

>>30294615
I feel they're gonna bring it back considering the new wave of mons and some starting to drop in usabilty and be replaced by others. How bloated are NU and PU looking ?

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:07:04 No.30295419 Report

Quoted By: >>30295493 >>30295606 >>30298813

>>30294790
>the mods warn you if you say Vaporeon is useable in UU in the UU room
For what reason?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:09:27 No.30295493 Report

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>>30295419
It's some sort of meme that gets spammed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:12:05 No.30295576 Report

Quoted By: >>30295720 >>30298615

>>30294534
The least viable fully evolved Pokemon are

>Unown
>Furret
>Dustox
>Watchog
>Bastiodon
>Delibird
>Glaceon
>Sudowoodo
>Octillery
>Chimecho
>Unfezant
>Dedenne

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:13:08 No.30295606 Report

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>>30295419
Because you shouldn't grant teenagers with power over the internet. Which is basically what all of Smogon is but hey, it's better than the 3v3 meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:15:18 No.30295670 Report

Quoted By: >>30296561

Yeah, I like Primarina but I don't see her in UU. BL2 at best. There's just not anything to bring to the table that other water types can't. Rest Talking will not do much because Primarina just doesn't have the bulk to run it effectively. Maybe if GF decides to be kind and add a few key moves in the future, which is doubtful since none of the Tutor moves will help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:16:52 No.30295720 Report

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>>30295576
but Watchog got motherfucking Nasty Plot, he'll be mid tier PU for sure with a Baton Pass setup

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:23:24 No.30295969 Report

Quoted By: >>30297758 >>30297983 >>30301872

>>30295391
Idk shit like Swellow and Dodrio got a lot better and Fletchinder is gonna drop there for sure. Moondoggo,, Crabominable, Luranits, Comfey, Gumshoos and Toucannon will definitely be down there. Also basically every Alola form except for maybe Ninetales and Marowak. If Vanilluxe starts there along with Abomasnow and Sandslash we could see some hardcore hail action. Looks like either Florges or Aromatisse might drop too since there are some new hardhitters and they still face a competition with Sylveon. I'm fucking pumped for this new meta

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:31:32 No.30296232 Report

Quoted By: >>30296285 >>30296498 >>30296773

Leave Toxapex to me

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:33:06 No.30296285 Report

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>>30296232

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:39:44 No.30296498 Report

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>>30296232
Gliscor with toxic heal is the way to go

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:41:57 No.30296561 Report

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>>30295670
Yeah. Water/Fairy might be a good typing, but Primarina really can't use that to its full advantage because not only is it slow, but its bulk isn't anything special. Good Sp Attack, but that's it.

There's already a lot of water types in UU that are bulky enough to do what you want. Primarina's niche of having all these nice attacks doesn't mean much if it's outclassed in whatever role you're trying to put it in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:46:05 No.30296693 Report

Quoted By: >>30296777

>>30293824
what is greninha

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:49:14 No.30296773 Report

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>>30296232
I'd rather use something that can clear hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:49:21 No.30296777 Report

Quoted By: >>30299110

>>30296693
No fucking idea, never heard of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:51:14 No.30296821 Report

Quoted By: >>30298974

>>30293328
They banned Alolan Marowak from UU already? Is it really that good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:52:08 No.30296860 Report

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Is Aqua Ring + Protect good on Wishiwashi?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:52:24 No.30296875 Report

Quoted By: >>30296997 >>30297011

>>30293604
>nerf to pixilate
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:56:10 No.30296997 Report

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>>30296875
30% boost down to 20%, same with the other -ate moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 00:56:35 No.30297011 Report

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>>30296875
Pixilate and similar moves that convert normal type moves now have 1.2x damage now, rather than 1.3x

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:10:12 No.30297458 Report

Quoted By: >>30305382

>>30295391

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:15:19 No.30297639 Report

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>>30293725
>Dodrio could be really good in NU, but I doubt it'll get into RU

i hope this is a joke, because dodrio will likely be broken in ru this gen. 110 attack and speed, brave bird, return, jump kick and knock off, even priority in quick attack and now swords dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:18:34 No.30297758 Report

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>>30295969
>comfey in FU

holy shit you people need to stop posting. it's RU at absolute worst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:22:26 No.30297890 Report

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I realise the tiers go by usage but they really need to be renamed to SABC etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:25:05 No.30297983 Report

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>>30295969
>I know nothing about competitive: the post

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:33:17 No.30298252 Report

Quoted By: >>30298339 >>30298736

>>30293328
>Decidueye in UU

This is textbook "new toy" syndrome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:35:41 No.30298339 Report

Quoted By: >>30299325

>>30298252
UU at the moment is basically just everything that is not good enough for OU. It's possible it may drop further down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:44:37 No.30298615 Report

Quoted By: >>30298859 >>30298971

>>30295576
>Octillery
Is it because that it's slow? Its movepool is godly.

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:48:41 No.30298736 Report

Quoted By: >>30298753

>>30298252

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:49:14 No.30298753 Report

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>>30298736
FUCK OFFF

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:51:19 No.30298813 Report

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>>30295419
alomomola exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:52:49 No.30298859 Report

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>>30298615

it's slow AND fragile, which is a death sentence for any Pokemon. no matter how good their movepool is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:56:16 No.30298971 Report

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>>30298615
Johtomon with the spread of a Hoennmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 01:56:22 No.30298974 Report

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>>30296821

Alolwak is a good Anti Metamon. it gets shit on by half of OU but it also shits on the other half by having a ton of resists and immunities. It's mostly just around so that Offense teams don't get shit on by Pheromosa and Tapu's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 02:00:51 No.30299110 Report

Quoted By:

>>30296777
Hi Noodle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 02:08:11 No.30299325 Report

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>>30298339
I think it'll probably stay UU, because it does have a pretty good niche in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 02:15:05 No.30299576 Report

Quoted By: >>30301638

>>30293328
>being a smogon sheep

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 03:19:16 No.30301638 Report

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>>30299576
(You)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 03:26:17 No.30301872 Report

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>>30295969
>Toucannon
>PU or FU
You know nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:07:29 No.30303346 Report

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>yfw FU becomes Smogon official
>yfw another unofficial meta springs up below FU that doesn't even bother with acronyms and is just called Hell
>yfw Watchog is still a rancid piece of shit there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:30:48 No.30304118 Report

Quoted By: >>30305624

What exactly does FU stand for anyway?

Fucking Unbearable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:16:41 No.30305382 Report

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>>30297458
Ok that's to much for my liking, what the hell.

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:19:17 No.30305460 Report

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>Decidueye won't be OU

IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:20:48 No.30305502 Report

Quoted By:

>>30294163
Autism tiers. Smogon sucks, vgc rules. Deal with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:26:56 No.30305624 Report

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>>30304118

OU - Over Used
UU - Under Used
RU - Rarely Used
NU - Never Used
PU - shitmons, as in, "pee-ew, these kind of shit competitively, they stink" which kind of sounds like P-U
FU - doesn't really stand for anything, like PU. FU is kind of short for fuck you or just FU- when you mean fuck or Fuuuuu- like a drawn out "fuuuuuuuuck, these Pokemon are completely unusable in competitive play"

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