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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:14:45 No.30303614 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>30303755 >>30303827 >>30303873 >>30306054 >>30312414

>White Herb Shell Smash Kommo-o in Battle Tree
>wonder if something that was looked over
>inject a Shell Smash one and go to Battle Spot
>not allowed

Why? I'm compelled to write a letter to Masuda telling him to do something about it by the next update.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:16:52 No.30303681 Report

Quoted By: >>30303792

>battle tree cheats

STOP THE PRESSES

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:17:46 No.30303710 Report

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The tree was rushed development wise and that Kommo-o was put in the Pokemon pool before they realized it was retarded.

Same reason why the RNG is bullshit out of the gate as opposed to easing you into it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:19:10 No.30303755 Report

Quoted By: >>30304061

>>30303614
>Why?
Because GameFreak is not allowed to make a better pseudo than Garchomp for some reason. Can't have all the 12 year olds whining about their cool edgy shark dragon kaijumon no longer being the strongest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:20:18 No.30303792 Report

Quoted By: >>30303845

>>30303681
At least they always operate within the mechanics of the game. Giving a mon a move it can't normally access is a new low.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:21:09 No.30303827 Report

Quoted By: >>30309305 >>30312739

>>30303614

Trainers having Pokemon with moves those Pokemon can't learn is nothing new.

>Lance's Barrier Dragonite
>Lance's Rock Slide Aerodactyl (it couldn't learn this move until Gen 3)
>Earthquake Lanturn in Emerald Victory Road

Among others

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Game_move_errors

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:21:46 No.30303845 Report

Quoted By: >>30304045 >>30312739

>>30303792

This isn't the first time. There's a Salamence with Outrage in the D/P tower even though it wasn't able to learn it until Platinum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:22:44 No.30303873 Report

Quoted By: >>30304045

>>30303614
Now the question is, did it fail the hack check because of Shell Smash, or did it fail the hack check because he did such a shitty job with it that it'd be rejected even if it had a legal movepool?

The difference means everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:28:17 No.30304039 Report

Quoted By: >>30309568

Why the hell is there no wi-fi co-op in the tree anyway?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:28:32 No.30304045 Report

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>>30303845
I hope that means it'll be legal sometime down the road in the same vein.

>>30303873
I checked it. I was also making sure Alolan Ninetales didn't really get Heat Wave by injecting one (Serebii as well as the datamine itself still have erroneously mixed egg movepools). Battle Spot rejected the Heat Wave one and of course allowed the set without it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:29:04 No.30304061 Report

Quoted By: >>30304158

>>30303755
Why the fuck did they have to put Garchomp in the Alola dex? Does GF really just not want to see a Garchomp free metagame?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:32:18 No.30304158 Report

Quoted By: >>30304330 >>30306419

>>30304061
Garchomp is my favorite Pokemon and even I'm tired of it. I want some new competition. I want pseudos to be interesting again not asking myself "why not just use Garchomp?" on any team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:38:33 No.30304330 Report

Quoted By: >>30304361

>>30304158
GameFreak must have been taken over by Sinnohfoeti. It's the only logical explanation of why GF keeps shoving Garchomp, Lucario, and Cynthia down our throats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:39:53 No.30304361 Report

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>>30304330

Those two mons are popular and Cynthia is their collective waifu.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:40:02 No.30304364 Report

Quoted By: >>30304554 >>30304625 >>30304854 >>30309715

>special signature move
>higher base attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:47:18 No.30304554 Report

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>>30304364
not to mention ddance

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:50:19 No.30304625 Report

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>>30304364
it gets Work up delet this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 04:57:36 No.30304854 Report

Quoted By: >>30304934

>>30304364
belly drum too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:00:26 No.30304934 Report

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>>30304854
If only it got Mach Punch...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:08:32 No.30305143 Report

Quoted By: >>30305340 >>30305704 >>30305743

kommo-o is a big FAT mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:15:15 No.30305340 Report

Quoted By: >>30305478 >>30305743

>>30305143
Still better than Poodra.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:19:44 No.30305478 Report

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>>30305340
nah, it's one of my best mons, I'm reluctant to give up my techniques so easily however I will say
weakness policy + gooey + bolt beam = wrecking machine

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:24:26 No.30305575 Report

Quoted By: >>30305902

My Kommo-o has a nature that buffs it's defense while nerfing it's attack so it's signature move being special based is a blessing for me. I just wish there were more special based fighting moves it could learn. Focus blast is far too inaccurate to be worth it and it doesn't have enough attack to make Sky Upper worth a slot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:30:33 No.30305704 Report

Quoted By: >>30305723

>>30305143
We just gotta wait for him to get Superpower and Drain Punch from the move tutors in Pokemon Stars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:31:37 No.30305723 Report

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>>30305704
it should have got iron head and close combat as egg moves

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:32:43 No.30305743 Report

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>>30305143
>>30305340
>not loving all dragons
Except Flygon of course :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:40:09 No.30305902 Report

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>>30305575
Yeah I was let down it didn't get Aura Sphere since it even has that sage-like appearance going on. Also its physical Fighting moves lacking Superpower/Close Combat sucks too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 05:47:12 No.30306054 Report

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>>30303614

>We could have gotten Shell Smash Multiscale Kommo-o with Mach Punch and Drain Punch
>But instead we got this miserable mess of wasted potential

He deserved better than this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 06:04:32 No.30306419 Report

Quoted By: >>30307729

>>30304158
Remember how GameFreak literally put an NPC in the Battle Resort who said "Fuck using your favorite Pokemon, use the strongest stuff to win" and right next to him is a girl who's like "Grandpa gave me his Garchomp to win at the Maison!"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 07:00:23 No.30307729 Report

Quoted By: >>30309257

>>30306419
>give Flygon DD in a bid to make it relevant in a gen where Zygarde is the poster child
>Garchomp cameos and steals the show

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Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 07:10:15 No.30307957 Report

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Ah Physical Garchomp. Whatever, ya know? Whatever. You do what you like to do, I do what I like to do, ok?
But you're a sucker.

You're getting fed this lie how like, Garchomp will go sweep an entire team or whatever. It's gonna die.

Someone will kill it. Someone will kill it with an Ice Shard.

Make sure your Garchomp are uh, fricking ripped. You got some good IVs. You wanna look good what you get stabbed with an Ice Shard.

Sorry that's how it works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:15:50 No.30309257 Report

Quoted By: >>30309412

>>30307729
>next gen GF gives DD to Garchomp

What would you do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:18:18 No.30309305 Report

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>>30303827
>Old outdated games
>Relevant in 2016

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:24:26 No.30309412 Report

Quoted By: >>30309599

>>30309257
HP Ice Celesteela on all teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:29:56 No.30309510 Report

Quoted By: >>30309557 >>30312351

speaking of battle tower, do you get anything for beating 100 trainers? just got my 50 streak in super singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:32:31 No.30309557 Report

Quoted By: >>30309726

>>30309510
Couldn't tell you. I don't think the datamine mentions anything of the like nor does PKHeX have a streak editor yet. And Serebii hasn't even touched the Battle Tree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:33:07 No.30309568 Report

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>>30304039
It would have taken effort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:35:24 No.30309599 Report

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>>30309412
Togekiss would move from BL

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:42:50 No.30309715 Report

Quoted By: >>30309734

>>30304364
Admittedly though, its signature move is ridiculously powerful. A 110BP STAB move with no drawbacks and that reduces Defense is pretty good for a mixed attacker. Especially when combined with Shell Smash.

It's probably the same reason they gave Noivern a signature move with 140 base power but no STAB to compensate. Exploud was later able to get STAB on it but it's a far worse Pokémon so it evens out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:43:37 No.30309726 Report

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>>30309557
ok thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:44:04 No.30309734 Report

Quoted By: >>30309796

>>30309715

It reduces Kommo-o's Defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:47:37 No.30309796 Report

Quoted By: >>30309869

>>30309734
Oh, must have misread that when I was looking up movepools. Admittedly I'm not actually that far in the game quite yet.

It's still really powerful, though, almost as powerful as Close Combat but with one less drawback.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 08:51:34 No.30309869 Report

Quoted By: >>30310140

>>30309796

It doesn't get Shell Smash and that move is not "really powerful" coming off a 100 base SpAtk.

The problem with Kommo-o is that its best physical fighting move is an 85 BP move that isn't even 100% accurate.

It's bafflingly starved for moves and needs a turn to set up before it can even be considered on par with any of the other pseudos out of the box.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 09:08:10 No.30310140 Report

Quoted By: >>30310178

>>30309869
shell smash special set would fuck cunts right up the ass. consider its attack is only 10 points higher.
>Clanging Scales
>Flamethrower
>Focus hit
nevermind these are its only three special moves.

Then mixed is also an option too because shell smash if a fucking retarded move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 09:10:44 No.30310178 Report

Quoted By: >>30310248

>>30310140

Yeah, Shell Smash, which it doesn't get, would be amazing on it. And while we're at it, give it Vacuum Wave, and Mach Punch, and Iron Head, and Close Combat, and Dragon Pulse, and

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 09:15:41 No.30310248 Report

Quoted By: >>30312245

>>30310178
I mean. It will eventually get
>element punches
>iron head
>iron tail
>superpower its something
>low kick also something
>knock off
>zen headmiss
>focus punch

Could 100% see it not getting drain punch though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 11:17:56 No.30311963 Report

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Run Shell Smash Minior to outcheat Tree
AI loses its shit if Shields Downs is up and tries to status spam it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 11:38:15 No.30312245 Report

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>>30310248
theyre pretty generous with drain punch in the newer games, the only things that really dont get it are things that existed before it was buffed in gen v, ie poliwrath, machamp, hariyama, infernape, blaziken, heracross

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 11:45:57 No.30312348 Report

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inb4 there's a Shell Smash tutor in Stars

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 11:46:02 No.30312351 Report

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>>30309510

Just a berry I think. Check serebii for the streak rewards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 11:51:30 No.30312414 Report

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>>30303614
Let's write it them

Dear

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 11:53:03 No.30312438 Report

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I tried Kommo-o on showdown. It was underwhelming.

> Low Speed
> Decent attack power on both sides, but not amazing
> Can't use a choice item because Dragon and Ground immunities are everywhere

On the flipside, Bulletproof makes it a good Aegislash check. Maybe a Dragon Dance set with mono STAB might work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Nov 2016 12:15:15 No.30312739 Report

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>>30303845
>>30303827
So what you're saying is, is even if op wadn't just annidiot who can't hack and Kommo-o really can't learn it this gen, it will be able to next gen?

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