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Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:21:03 No.30357612 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>30358530 >>30358690 >>30358721 >>30358725 >>30359162 >>30361655 >>30362531 >>30362608

>VGC is a balanced and competitive format

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:31:41 No.30357887 Report

Quoted By: >>30361688

What will be 2017's meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:33:02 No.30357922 Report

Quoted By: >>30357948 >>30357955 >>30357957

>Clefairy

Whoa. Hold up. What the fuck happened here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:34:02 No.30357948 Report

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>>30357922
>When every other team is running Outrage Salamence

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:34:14 No.30357953 Report

Quoted By: >>30358200 >>30358357 >>30359162

Aren't Ultra Beasts VGC legal? Better get used to seeing those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:34:22 No.30357955 Report

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>>30357922
Eviolite, Friend Guard and Follow Me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:34:28 No.30357957 Report

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>>30357922

I'm guessing an Eviolite-based build.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:39:30 No.30358112 Report

Quoted By: >>30358142

>shitters complain about smogon despite vgc being worse in literally every way

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:40:31 No.30358142 Report

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>>30358112
>>>1

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:42:20 No.30358197 Report

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Holy shit...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:42:25 No.30358200 Report

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>>30357953
Tapu's, not UBs.

UBs are honestly pretty underwhelming with some exceptions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:45:07 No.30358277 Report

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it's a simple fix really
no BST over 560 allowed

the game is saved!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:47:48 No.30358357 Report

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>>30357953
yeah at this point if they dont blanket ban legendaries theres no ruleset that wont be homogenized into a "legends only, normies keep out" format
tapus/ubs were the last nail in the coffin, they could not have killed doubles any harder if they actually tried, theres basically only like 10 viable pokemon maximum regardless of bans now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:50:30 No.30358420 Report

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It's getting boring watching the VGC with people using similar teams. It's high time they did something about this...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:51:34 No.30358450 Report

Quoted By: >>30358601 >>30358680

People here will still claim Smogon is evil and how unvaried it is even with this shit going on for 3 years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:53:55 No.30358530 Report

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>>30357612
Pokemon is just not a balanced game in general. If it was we would see regular patches and updates.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:57:00 No.30358601 Report

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>>30358450
This. I don't agree with all of Smogon's bans(Mega Sableye shouldn't have been banned, it wasn't warranted) but goddamn at least they try to balance shit. VGC is a fucking joke because they don't even attempt to balance anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:57:15 No.30358608 Report

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Tapu are the new Genies

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 22:58:08 No.30358631 Report

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>>30358530
Games with regular patches and updates are also unbalanced

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:00:02 No.30358680 Report

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>>30358450
smogons counsel is undoubtedly corrupt at this point but vgc is like embarrassingly mismanaged
like how do a bunch of professional game designers get outdone by a loose association of autistic neckbeards who dont even have any influence or say in how the game is designed
if smogon had like any money behind it theyd probably be running way better cart tournaments too, which is doubly embarrassing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:00:30 No.30358687 Report

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>>30357948
>Outrage Salamence
You've never played doubles, have you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:00:36 No.30358690 Report

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>>30357612
>competitive pokemon in general is a balanced and competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:00:43 No.30358697 Report

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I find it crazy how much broken shit is allowed in VGC and yet the Item Clause exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:01:23 No.30358721 Report

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>>30357612
Tapu Koko
Salazzle
Tapu Lele
Toxapex
Mimikyu
Pheromosa

Every tryhard kids team this gen so it will probably show up this vgc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:01:29 No.30358725 Report

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>>30357612
It's funny because despite that picture it's actually diverse since everyone carries a different set, unlike OU where anything that can carry more than 3 sets get banned because "too unpredictable"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:02:12 No.30358746 Report

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>>30358725
>OU where anything that can carry more than 3 sets get banned because "too unpredictable"
give two examples

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:02:28 No.30358753 Report

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>>30358721
It's absolutely nothing like what the higher ranked players are using, but nice try I guess?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:02:56 No.30358768 Report

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Tapu Lele + Pheromosa is the new cancer combo

also Celesteela in general

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:03:18 No.30358779 Report

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>VGC 2017
>Celesteela mirrors untill time up

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:03:22 No.30358784 Report

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>>30358753
what are they using then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:03:42 No.30358796 Report

Quoted By: >>30358803 >>30359063 >>30359104

>>30358746
Mega lucario
Aegislash

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:03:45 No.30358798 Report

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>>30358631
Like?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:04:01 No.30358803 Report

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>>30358796
aegislash was not banned for being "unpredictable"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:06:02 No.30358850 Report

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>>30358784
Tapus+Oranguru, Torkoal with Drought, still a lot of Smeargle.

Just check showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:07:20 No.30358892 Report

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>>30358803
Not that guy, but the fact that the physical, special and stall set all had completely different counters so there was no safe switch in was a big reason why it got banned.
Same with Greninja, whose physical moveset became far more viable with tutors, thus making it less predictable.

Having multiple viable sets in an environment without scouting does increase a Pokémon's potential dramatically, though. It makes sense for it to be a factor in banning something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:07:22 No.30358894 Report

Quoted By: >>30362933

>>30358803
It wasn't the main reason for Mega Lucario either.

I can't even really think of a Pokemon that got banned solely because of multiple sets, and if that was actually a reason they would have banned the Zards. (Which was actually a point of discussion in early XY, but it never happened.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:08:12 No.30358918 Report

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>>30358803
speaking of that why is he not banned in gen 7 yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:11:20 No.30359007 Report

Quoted By: >>30359225 >>30359279

If they could completely ban all hacked mons, VGC would be a lot better. Sadly, the community will always hack in overpowered Pokemon and then complain about the lack of balance and diversity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:12:13 No.30359044 Report

Quoted By: >>30361773

>>30358918
As far as I know Smogon are basically just re-evaluating anything that may be at all controversial.

I am curious how good M-Kangaskhan is now that Parental Bond got nerfed. I guess double PuP is still going to be ridiculously strong though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:12:46 No.30359063 Report

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>>30358796
Aww Gee. I wonder why the Pokémon with 145/140 offenses, Adaptability, is faster than Gengar, has boosting and coverage moves on both offenses, and a large amount of resistances would be banned.

Same goes to the Pokémon that combines arguably the 2 best defensive types in the entire game, has pseudo 60/150/150/150/150/60 stats, a move that lowers your attack shapely and protects, and has coverage for both its 150/150 offenses would also be banned either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:13:52 No.30359104 Report

Quoted By: >>30362687

>>30358796
Aegi got banned because Sub Toxic is a really, really dumb set, and most Physical checks are 50/50 because lol kings shield
Luke got banned because it's fast, has great Priority, Adaptability lets it do a million on even resisted hits AND it can boost in 2 directions with STAB priority.

They're just dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:16:29 No.30359162 Report

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>>30357612
bottom was >french regionals back in the beginning of the season. of course there was zero creativity.

>>30357953
only viable ones are probably xurkitree and celesteela, you don't have to worry about single pokes sweeping entire teams in VGC most of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:17:13 No.30359186 Report

Quoted By: >>30359313 >>30363657

>>30358918
Aegi isn't banned yet because that would be letting slutbug+lele run free. They need to hit Phero and Aegi at the same time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:18:28 No.30359225 Report

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>>30359007
>hacked mons
wut

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:20:43 No.30359279 Report

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>>30359007
I'd say it would be better if the games were designed so that hacking offered minimal benefits. I don't hack myself and have been frantically scrambling to SR things for the VGC circuit starting on Gen 7 next week, and I sure don't blame people who do

It's kind of awkward because a lot of high-level players don't see obtaining the Pokémon as part of the game and are put off by having to spend a long time in-game, while a lot of low-level players are put off by the feeling that other people are cheating. There really isn't a nice compromise when putting a single team together does take dozens of hours.

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Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:20:46 No.30359280 Report

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>people complain about genies
>GF creates pokemon even more obnoxious than genies

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:21:54 No.30359313 Report

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>>30359186
They should just quick ban them already instead of just waiting. They already have bans and we already know these 2 are broken right now, so why hesitate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Nov 2016 23:24:22 No.30359377 Report

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>IV
>cheating
What the difference between 5IV breed from 6IV Ditto and 5IV from 5IV legit Ditto?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 00:24:14 No.30361337 Report

Quoted By: >>30362715

>>30358721
>Salazzle
>Pheromosa
>Mimikyu
>dominating VGC in any way

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 00:31:18 No.30361541 Report

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>>30358746
Garchomp and Salamence were previously banned. Too fast, too strong, there weren't Fairy-type pokemon around to check them.

Lando-I was also banned.

Greninja with Protean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 00:35:09 No.30361655 Report

Quoted By: >>30361966 >>30362154

>>30357612
Can someone explain to me why legendaries aren't banned in these things? I don't follow competitive but it just seems retarded to have op ass Pokemon especial the primal evolutions. Literally killing the skill gap is my guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 00:36:04 No.30361688 Report

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>>30357887
Fucktons of Trick Room and Orangurus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 00:39:35 No.30361773 Report

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>>30359044
Parental Bond Seismic Toss still does a fixed 200 damage at level 100, so that too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 00:41:21 No.30361816 Report

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>>30358746
M-Mawile. The argument towards its ban was that the 3-4 viable sets with him had to be scouted out, because the only thing that checked them all simultaneously was bulky Arcanine.

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Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 00:46:38 No.30361966 Report

Quoted By: >>30362410

>>30361655
It's just one of their rulesets for a season. This season it's just pokemons from the Alola Pokedex barring Zygarde, Ash Greninja, box legends, Magearna and Necrozma (Ultra Beast are allowed).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 00:54:29 No.30362154 Report

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>>30361655
Because legendaries aren't as extremely powerful as you think
I can easily fuck up a team of legendaries with non-legendaries

Devon 0877-5053-8403

Devon 0877-5053-8403 Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:02:52 No.30362410 Report

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>>30361966
Is this confirmed though? I thought we didn't get the full rules until Thursday.

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Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:06:44 No.30362531 Report

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>>30357612
>Smogon wants a Balanced and competitive meta

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Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:10:03 No.30362605 Report

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>>30362531
>VGCbabbies this assroasted

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:10:09 No.30362608 Report

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>>30357612
>look ma I posted it again!
http://nuggetbridge.com/blogs/entry/834-teams-from-the-vgc-15-spring-regional-championships/
Lando-T was the most used pokemon and had the same usage as it does in OU.
Stop with the shitty bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:13:13 No.30362687 Report

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>>30359104
What's wrong with 50/50s? That's what prediction boils down to ideally. Hard reads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:13:54 No.30362715 Report

Quoted By: >>30362781 >>30362908

>>30361337
Who is this girl?

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Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:15:57 No.30362781 Report

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>>30362715
>girl

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:16:05 No.30362787 Report

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>>30362410
It is more or less. The only thing they need to fix is Z-Parting Shot and memento

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:17:26 No.30362822 Report

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>>30358687
>Doubles
Kek

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Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:19:39 No.30362908 Report

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>>30362715
Amane Nishiki, the manliest man playing a female role.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:20:19 No.30362933 Report

Quoted By: >>30363118

>>30358894
Lucario got banned because it countered MegaMom.

Most of Smogons early gen VI bans were because said mons countered MegaMom.

Gengar wasn't even recurring but was used as a hard check to MegaMom because you could literally Mega and keep the bitch in and set up a sub to then Disable her Sucker Punch and kill her for free. Smogon retards thought this was unhealthy and banned it.

Lucario could also potentially two shot a MegaMom with Vacuum Wave if you got lucky on the change or one shot with Close Combat. Same shit occured again where Smogon retards bitched about it.

Smogon doesn't care about balance. Just about what is comfy for them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:26:56 No.30363118 Report

Quoted By: >>30363866

>>30362933
Mega Kang was banned to Ubers within weeks of it debuting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:27:03 No.30363120 Report

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>>30358680
Its not that smogon is outdoing vgc its just that they put everything into essentially popularity groups. But what that means is that instead of one group of six dominatingf everything there's a group of six for every tier until someone gets !ad and decides to ban or move it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:47:20 No.30363657 Report

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>>30358918
>>30359186
just banned an hour ago ayyyyee

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 01:54:22 No.30363866 Report

Quoted By: >>30364041

>>30363118
>within weeks of it debuting

No it fucking wasn't.

It literally got banned mid way through X and Y after everything that hard checked it got banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Nov 2016 02:00:48 No.30364041 Report

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>>30363866
It got banned before M-Mawile and that was pretty early, you fucking retard.

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