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Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:21:05 No.30443614 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>30443670 >>30443689 >>30444252 >>30444678 >>30444784 >>30445391 >>30447176

>Gamefreak will happily continue to churn out shitmon after shitmon

I'm not saying all Pokemon need to be OU viable or anything, but I don't get it. I don't get why they go out of their way to make things that are just objectively useless compared to other things. Even if they just need to pad their dexes out when making a game, it's not like that affects stats and moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:22:28 No.30443652 Report

Quoted By: >>30443683

It's for challenge runs. Shitmon only runs are fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:23:15 No.30443670 Report

Quoted By: >>30449548

>>30443614
People will complain if the new pokedex is under 100.

Personally, I say that if you have to choose between having 80 shitmons and 12 good/better mons, or having 20 decent new dex additions, go with the latter every single time and fuck the entitled brats whining about no dex.

It is a very catch-22, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:23:37 No.30443683 Report

Quoted By: >>30445236

>>30443652
I have a hard time believing shitmon are made specifically to gimp the player.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:24:00 No.30443689 Report

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>>30443614
Boomburst, Chatter, Nasty Plot, Taunt/Sub/Heat Wave/Filler

Now shut the fuck up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:24:42 No.30443709 Report

Quoted By: >>30443815

Early monsters need to have crap stats for balance. True shitmons are the ugly ones that have no reason to exist when equivalents already exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:26:31 No.30443746 Report

Quoted By: >>30443878 >>30447221

Define shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:26:47 No.30443752 Report

Quoted By: >>30445573

They wanted to make it like real life, where every animal is useful, valuable and cherished by humans and never mocked, hated or ignored.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:27:25 No.30443765 Report

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Not all mons are good nor are all type combo's good and unique. As there will always be weak mons like animals in real life when compared to dragon types, late game mons or legendaries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:27:58 No.30443783 Report

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>objectively useless
That's "bad guy" talk. Every pokemon deserves to be loved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:29:10 No.30443808 Report

Quoted By: >>30444318

not a single pokemon since Watchog is completly useless.
GF actually cares about giving every single pokemon an unique niche, even if it's not good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:29:35 No.30443815 Report

Quoted By: >>30444978 >>30445236

>>30443709
you could have an early caught shitmon that turns into a good mon at a much higher level

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:32:30 No.30443878 Report

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>>30443746
you're favourite

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:49:35 No.30444252 Report

Quoted By: >>30444306

>>30443614
I hope you aren't implying that chatot is shit. He'll scream "niggerfaggot" and confuse you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:51:44 No.30444306 Report

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>>30444252
>Post-gen 5
>Chatter recording voices

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 17:52:15 No.30444318 Report

Quoted By: >>30444656 >>30444815

>>30443808
what is ledian's unique niche? or garbodor's? or pyroar's? Or Tropius'? Or your favorite Gen 7 shitmon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:05:41 No.30444656 Report

Quoted By: >>30445070

>>30444318
ledian is old
garbodor is the only poison-type to get both spikes/tspikes and a good offensive movepool
pyroar's main niche is spamming STAB hyper voices but it can go through steels with its fire STAB
tropius is also older, but GF tried to fix it by giving it DD + harvest
the only actual shitmon in gen 7 is gumshoos, and even then it has an unique ability
those are obviously not OU-viable, but they DO have unique niches, even if they're not good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:07:01 No.30444678 Report

Quoted By: >>30444847

>>30443614
chatot is a fucking baller you little shitcunt

chatter is a 10/10 moves. i've wrecked through whole teams on random with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:12:13 No.30444784 Report

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>>30443614
Z moves are good direction, But I wish we could get something like that candy in Yokai watch that can make1 creature a rank S.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:13:25 No.30444815 Report

Quoted By: >>30444834

>>30444318
Ledian is still a good Battonpasser

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:14:11 No.30444834 Report

Quoted By: >>30444957

>>30444815
>the worst baton passer in the game is a good baton passer

explain

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:14:40 No.30444847 Report

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>>30444678
Chatter is a strong sound-based move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:19:43 No.30444957 Report

Quoted By: >>30445279

>>30444834
Worse than Plusle and miniun?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:21:08 No.30444978 Report

Quoted By: >>30445103 >>30445117

>>30443815
Everyone loves vikavolts and crabrawlers evo method right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:24:11 No.30445035 Report

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>two gens
>not a single good pokemon with Friend Guard

I just want a paladinmon, man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:26:05 No.30445070 Report

Quoted By: >>30445149

>>30444656
>Raticate, his nemises, gets bite, crunch, and hyper fang, as well as 2 priority moves before level 30
>gumshoos doesn't get crunch or hyper fang until around level 40, and is stuck with fucking tackle as his only stab outside of tm's until level 31

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:27:39 No.30445103 Report

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>>30444978
It was good idea for Crabrawler- a suprise evo
For Vikavolt. Not so much,

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:28:12 No.30445117 Report

Quoted By: >>30445238

>>30444978

I wouldn't mind it if they were actually good. Crabominable could still be a beast if it gets mach punch and ice shard through tutors. Vikavolt could have been good too if it was faster. Even now, I'd much rather have a vikavolt than Butterfree 4.0

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:29:48 No.30445149 Report

Quoted By: >>30445298

>>30445070
Woah. That's silly aspecialy for BITING pokemon.
It can't even learn elemental fangs...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:33:52 No.30445236 Report

Quoted By: >>30445335

>>30443683
Some pokemon are designed with the ingame challenge in mind. For example, Mr. Mime may have had worse stats than other psychic types in RB because GF took into account that it would grow faster due to boosted experience. Not to mention that Fearow was worse than Dodrio in every way as well because you get it much earlier.

>>30443815
It would be too predictable and perhaps boring if every Pokemon had relatively equal footing by the end. Part of the drive of any RPG is that the more you progress the more access you have to more powerful things. It also helps the player learn the mechanics of the game if they start out with weaker pokemon, because they have to use some strategy in place of raw power at certain points.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:33:54 No.30445238 Report

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>>30445117
Crabominalbe moveset is not that bad actualy.
And only priority move I would give it, would be ice shard.
Shame it gets new ice move instead of cool new Substitute - The arm leaving treat is so neat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:35:49 No.30445279 Report

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>>30444957
Honestly would rather plusle/minun over bug/flying passer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:36:53 No.30445298 Report

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>>30445149
I just looked it up.

>Those two egg moves

What the fuck? It bothers me when GF makes it THIS obvious that they withhold moves until the second game(s) of a generation. Giving this thing any elemental fangs should be a no brainer, especially when it isn't the best to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:38:27 No.30445335 Report

Quoted By: >>30447035

>>30445236
Some of their ideas make no sense. Crabrawler takes forever to evolve, and all you get in exchange is a shitmon. Same deal with Vikavolt. Guzzlord is this unique endgame monster but it's ass compared to even normal stuff. You can get Bounsweet around the same time as Fomantis because of the trade evo, but Tsareena absolutely demolishes Lurantis in usability, even if neither are great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:41:29 No.30445391 Report

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>>30443614
Some Pokemon are just meant to be cute, unique, or rare. I mean, look at what they have as their mascot for pete's sake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 18:47:07 No.30445573 Report

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>>30443752
They have the same mindset as Masahiro Sakurai. We don't want to set out making everything OU or UU but we do want everything to be unique whether at the cost of viability or not.

Uniqueness > Viability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 19:49:35 No.30447035 Report

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>>30445335
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Lurantis was made with its totem status in mind specifically

>slow speed remedied by chlorophyll
>decent defenses but nothing too special
>same with offenses

I think its a bit of two things: they design some mons with the ingame RPG aspect in mind, and they are also just idiots sometimes (guzzlord)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 19:55:42 No.30447176 Report

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>>30443614
I use Chatot in doubles with Electivire. If Electivire has Motor Drive, it can use Ion Deluge when Chatot uses boomburst. It does less damage but it gives Electivire a speed boost. Chatot's not even bad with the right moves: I go Boomburst, Chatter, Heat Wave and Taunt, focus sashed, timid nature.

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Jimmy Neutron !1ahbdFjl0w Fri 02 Dec 2016 19:57:44 No.30447221 Report

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>>30443746
Johtomons

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 20:00:58 No.30447306 Report

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I still cannot forgive Chatot for the perfect apples

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 20:12:11 No.30447586 Report

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I'm just salty about Oricorio not getting any STAB moves for its off-types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Dec 2016 21:28:34 No.30449548 Report

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>>30443670
>Muh quality vs quantity
Gen 6 and 7 have many less pokemon than previous gens, and yet they still were mostly shitmon. Your argument is nonsense.

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