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Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:14:21 No.30476314 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>30476362 >>30476955 >>30478843 >>30479856

So if Cosmog is an ultra beast, why don't you need to catch Solgaleo/Lunala in a beast ball? They have regular catch rates of a pokemon, not an ultra beast.

What differentiates a pokemon from an ultra beast? Is there any actual difference (lore wise) or is "ultra beast" just some bullshit term that really doesn't mean anything?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:15:32 No.30476343 Report

Quoted By: >>30476507

You can catch UBs in pokeballs, you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:15:55 No.30476347 Report

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Because they have been on our world for decades, maybe centuries, and the UB aura disappeared and they lost Beast Boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:16:34 No.30476362 Report

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>>30476314
Because they no longer wish to live in the ultra space, which is the environment the Beast Balls are designed to mimic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:18:49 No.30476413 Report

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Something something cosmog hung out in the regular world long enough to tone down it's beastness aura?

Fun little thing about all the ultra beasts Including the cosmog line and necrozma . Their cries all share this weird unique sound if you listen hard enough with the dex. Very noticable with Cosmoem, Celesteela, Solgaleo, and guzzlord i

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:23:23 No.30476507 Report

Quoted By: >>30476879 >>30476930

>>30476343
I know, but the beast ball doesn't have a boosted catch rate on Solgaleo and Lunala, which are apparently ultra beasts.

What defines "ultra beast" other than being from Ultra Space. They're just pokemon from another dimension. What does that make Giratina? An ultra beast?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:26:41 No.30476591 Report

Quoted By: >>30476727

Cosmog actually is an UB. But the evolution may have it turned into a regular Pokemon just like Necrozma

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:31:42 No.30476727 Report

Quoted By: >>30476886

>>30476591
What is the difference between the two? Are ultra beasts just "pokemon from space"? Is Deoxys an ultra beast? It comes from space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:38:01 No.30476879 Report

Quoted By: >>30477347

>>30476507
the ultra energy

traveling from their world to ours through the worm hole covers them in ultra energy or whatever bullshit. cosmog has lived here for a long time and seems to have a natural gift for moving between the two places

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:38:13 No.30476886 Report

Quoted By: >>30476941

>>30476727
Dimension=/=Space

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:40:34 No.30476930 Report

Quoted By: >>30478631

>>30476507
It's directly stated that being an "Ultra Beast" depends on the aura gained from the Ultra Wormholes. This energy dissipates over time.

The Ultra Beasts you catch in Beast Balls are freshly dropped out of the wormholes, and the Beast Boost ability is said to be that lingering energy. The auras of Totem Pokemon is said to be a lesser, residual form of that energy, that happened to seep into Alola in the past.

Since Solgaleo, Lunala, and by extension, Necrozma, have been in Alola for such a long time, their wormhole energy has fully faded, leading to them being considered "normal" Pokemon, despite originating in Ultra Space.

tl;dr: Solgaleo/Lunala/Necrozma and Nihlego/Xurkitree/Buzzwole/Pheromosa/Kartana/Celesteela/Guzzlord are ALL Ultra Beasts by virtue of coming from Ultra Space, but the former have lost their Auras, while the latter have not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:41:01 No.30476941 Report

Quoted By: >>30477021 >>30477108 >>30477169 >>30477283

>>30476886
>Ultra Space
>Space

So then how about Giratina's dimension?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:41:41 No.30476955 Report

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>>30476314
Its a pokemon from the UB world not a real Ultra Beast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:44:16 No.30477021 Report

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>>30476941
They mention Giratina and Palkia as potentially related to US but it's unknown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:47:48 No.30477108 Report

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>>30476941
Anon, space in that context isn't referring to the cosmic kind.

Think of of this way.
Pokearth is contained within one box.
Ultra Space is within another.
The Ultra Wormholes link the two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:49:24 No.30477169 Report

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>>30476941
outer space =/= ultra space

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:53:59 No.30477283 Report

Quoted By: >>30477488 >>30479173

>>30476941
Giratina is from the regular dimension bit was banished to the Distortion World. The DW is also more of a pocket universe that's part of the main universe, whereas Ultra Space is completely separate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 20:56:32 No.30477347 Report

Quoted By: >>30478050

>>30476879
Does this mean Lillie, Lusamine, Anabel and MC are technically considered Ultra Beasts since they traveled the Ultra Wormhole?

Wouldn't Solgaleo/Lunala return to being an Ultra Beast since it traveled through the wormhole?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 21:01:26 No.30477488 Report

Quoted By: >>30479173

>>30477283
Ok so we have:

Poke Earth
Outer Space
Ultra Space
Distortion World

Then we have the alternate dimension/timeline where Mega Evolution doesn't exist.

How many worlds/dimensions does Pokemon have? Am I missing any?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 21:21:42 No.30478050 Report

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>>30477347
No, the humans become Fallers once they become exposed to Ultra Energy.
Lunala and Solgaleo probably are a separate case based on how freely they can travel between the two worlds, even as Cosmog. They may not even originate from Ultra Space, the game isn't even clear about that other than they came from a wormhole which could be from anywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 21:42:27 No.30478631 Report

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>>30476930
Best summary I've heard yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 21:49:40 No.30478843 Report

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>>30476314
You don't need to catch Ultra Beasts in Beast Balls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 22:02:38 No.30479173 Report

Quoted By: >>30479308 >>30480906

>>30477488
>>30477283

That's not exactly right.

Distortion World is parallel to our setting World as a counter balance, this means that if variables and constants are anything to go by, all other regular Poke Earths have a Distortion World serving as a counter balance.

It just so happens that Ultra Space is a Poke Earth that was ravished violently and has only Ultra Beasts in it.

We will never explore Outer Space, feels bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 22:07:46 No.30479308 Report

Quoted By: >>30479841

>>30479173
At least we fought out there once

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 22:29:08 No.30479841 Report

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>>30479308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNj2_iVrGw4

Never has Generations been able to upstart a moment this hype.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 22:29:40 No.30479856 Report

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>>30476314
It's because Solgaleo/Lunala WANTED to travel with you. The Ultra Beasts don't want to be captured, so they fight their restraints.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Dec 2016 23:09:23 No.30480906 Report

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>>30479173
>It just so happens that Ultra Space is a Poke Earth that was ravished violently and has only Ultra Beasts in it.
Ultra Space seems more like the space between time and dimensions than a legitimate world of its own.

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