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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 15:25:28 No.30558417 View View Reply Original Report

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Is Grass the worst type, competitively?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 15:27:03 No.30558450 Report

Quoted By: >>30558704 >>30563864

>>30558417
no, but grassholes are the whiniest type fans

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 15:40:10 No.30558704 Report

Quoted By: >>30559254

>>30558450
i don't want to point fingers but there are at least 2 other types who have much whinier fans

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 15:41:05 No.30558719 Report

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>>30558417
Ice exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 15:48:22 No.30558864 Report

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>>30558417
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 15:49:09 No.30558880 Report

Quoted By: >>30559158

bug exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:02:03 No.30559138 Report

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>>30558417
Well there's Ice

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:02:52 No.30559156 Report

Quoted By: >>30559194 >>30559245

>>30558417
ice/bug/poision/grass are the worst

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:02:56 No.30559158 Report

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>>30558880
Bug is good now tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:04:58 No.30559194 Report

Quoted By: >>30559221 >>30559225

>>30559156
Poison, seriously? I dont like that type but its not bad at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:06:41 No.30559221 Report

Quoted By: >>30559328 >>30564844

>>30559194
it's only use is to hit fairy and that's only going to be on a sweeper. Is there ever a benefit to a poison typing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:06:46 No.30559225 Report

Quoted By: >>30559506 >>30559533 >>30564225 >>30564504

>>30559194
More that most the Pokémon are shit
Types fine
Toxicroak mega bee drapion Alolan Muk venusaur crobat? Any other good poison types im missing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:06:58 No.30559229 Report

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>>30558417
??? is

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:07:34 No.30559245 Report

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>>30558417
Ice. As a coverage move its great but if the pokemon actually is ice it's most likely fucked.
>>30559156
>poison
Maybe at some point but fairies have become so cancerous they see more usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:08:24 No.30559254 Report

Quoted By: >>30564272

>>30558704
Dragon and dark, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:09:12 No.30559273 Report

Quoted By: >>30559764

Ice, objectively speaking. Not only is it a shitty type, you can count the amount of good Ice types on one hand.
Types like Grass, Bug, and Poison aren't fantastic, but still manage to produce good Pokemon, usually thanks to good synergy with another type. That's ultimately what makes Ice so terrible, the fact that it has 1 (one) resistance and numerous weaknesses means that it's basically always a detriment to a Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:11:37 No.30559328 Report

Quoted By: >>30559391 >>30559643

>>30559221
good defensively
shit offensively

been like that for 7 gens, only way to fix is give another offensive 2x matchup that's actually useful dark

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:13:40 No.30559359 Report

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>>30558417
No I'd say ice right now
The pokemon with an ice typing are usually slow, fragile offensive mons with 4x weaknesses or, if the second typing is weak to a bunch of shit, still weak to them
Grass types got way more love so far than ice types have, and you know someone fucked up big time this gen when the best two of a specific typing are just fucking reskins of older pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:15:18 No.30559391 Report

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>>30559328
No not dark, poison and dark feel way to close to each other to counter themselves
I'd say maybe bug or fighting, fighting preferred though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:21:06 No.30559506 Report

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>>30559225
Toxapex is the fucking queen of OU right now.
Tentacruel, (mega) gengar, nihilego, amoongus, and scolipede all vary between decent to great between OU and VGC.

Seriously, Poison has not been in a bad spot since gen V. Toxic Spikes being so common this generation also makes them even more useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:22:01 No.30559533 Report

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>>30559225
Weezing and Gengar

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:27:23 No.30559643 Report

Quoted By: >>30559740

>>30559328

Wasn't Poison super-effective against Bug in Generation I?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:27:43 No.30559652 Report

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Fire, Fighting and Steel actually

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:30:36 No.30559707 Report

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>>30558417
Why respect Ice types when my Water types can do anything that you can?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:32:22 No.30559740 Report

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>>30559643
Wait, it isn't anymore?

>http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Poison_(type)
>Gen I
>2x Bug, Grass
>Gen II to V
>2x Grass
What gives? I particularly don't use Poison because I don't like the aesthetics of most Poison-type but at least it made sense both competitive-wise and logic-wise

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:33:15 No.30559764 Report

Quoted By: >>30559829 >>30559978 >>30560110 >>30560762

>>30559273
Ice's problem is that it has horrible synergy with the stats usually given to pokémon of the type.
Seriously, how many Ice pokémon have 105+ in either Attack or Special Attack, and speed?
The answer is literally only Weavile, which is decent.
Ice works best for pokémon that wants to hit fast and hit hard, but the problem is that bare any Ice pokémon fill that role.

Seriously a pokémon with 110 base Special Attack and Speed that's either Ice/Electric, Ice/Dark or Ice/Fighting would be great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:35:38 No.30559817 Report

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No type can be bad competitvely. Its not possible

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:36:35 No.30559829 Report

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>>30559764
Why aren't Ice-Types fast anyways, due to Ice's lower friction you don't slow down onit so Ice types should be able to move faster.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:36:53 No.30559840 Report

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>MFW steelfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:39:23 No.30559893 Report

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Ye its shit and gay like Unova fans

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:42:33 No.30559978 Report

Quoted By: >>30560026

>>30559764
You forgot mamoswine, godlike offensive typing and base 80 speed along oblivious/thick fat actually synergize well will this guy.

Mamoswine is the other good ice type without the need to go over 100 speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:45:01 No.30560026 Report

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>>30559978
I didn't forget Mamoswine, it just didn't fit the criteria I mentioned.

I'm not denying that Mamoswine is good though, it's just one of those exceptional Ice types that can work without being fast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:49:27 No.30560110 Report

Quoted By: >>30560299

>>30559764
Now there's A-Ninetales, who is actually pretty good

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 16:58:52 No.30560299 Report

Quoted By: >>30564624

>>30560110
Lacks in firepower with only 81SpA, 100acc Blizzard helps it a lot though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 17:01:26 No.30560341 Report

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Ice, because basically every fucking water faggot gets access to an ice move for coverage. Ice mons have terrible stat distributions and massive weaknesses to key attacking types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 17:10:57 No.30560524 Report

Quoted By: >>30560564 >>30560758

>>30558417
yeah basically
rock and ice are shit defensively
psychic and bug are shit offensively
grass is shit in both directions and only ever saved by sleep powder access

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 17:12:29 No.30560564 Report

Quoted By: >>30564941

>>30560524
>grass is shit in both directions and only ever saved by sleep powder access

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 17:15:58 No.30560660 Report

Quoted By: >>30564819

>>30558417
If I've learned anything from alolan diglet that dog is clearly steel type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 17:16:40 No.30560676 Report

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I almost always use a grass-type in my in-game teams. the only games I didn't use one was Emerald and HeartGold, but I still had a grass-type attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 17:20:13 No.30560758 Report

Quoted By: >>30563911

>>30560524
>grass is shit in both directions and only ever saved by sleep powder access
Stop talking out of your ass. I can't think of a single pokémon right now that runs Sleep Powder, and even then it is barely better than Hypnosis.
Unless you're thinking of Spore, but only 4 Grass lines get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 17:20:25 No.30560762 Report

Quoted By: >>30561032

>>30559764
>Synergy with stats
Are you fucking retarded? Any pokemon with 105+ Speed and Atk/Sp. Atk would be good, regardless of type. That's not fucking synergy. That's just being really fucking strong and fast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 17:30:53 No.30561032 Report

Quoted By: >>30564274

>>30560762
>what is Mismagius
>what is base Manectric
>what is Scyther
>what is Kadabra
>what is Pyroar
>what is Heliolisk
>what is Durant
>what is Floatzel
All pokémon with 105+ in Speed and 105+ in either Attack or Special Attack, yet placing from underwhelming to PU trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 18:05:34 No.30561755 Report

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>>30558417
It's ice, they are too slow and weak to fucking everything, they were only good for killing dragons until fairy took its place, and they didn't buff it at all so now it's just useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 19:40:40 No.30563864 Report

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>>30558450
You mean Ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 19:42:20 No.30563911 Report

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>>30560758
And Energy Ball somtimes. And Grass Knot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 19:53:04 No.30564175 Report

Quoted By: >>30564509 >>30564931

Honestly I kind of think Fire is a shit type. It's a shit type defensively, and offensively is only used for a select few that would die from it regardless.

And yes there are good Fire mons but pretty much all of them would be better as a different type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 19:54:00 No.30564192 Report

Quoted By: >>30564356 >>30564412

I'm telling you guys, if they got rid of one of Ice's weaknesses (rock or fighting) and gave it more resistances (ground, grass, maaaybe flying ((I think a dragon resistance is stretching it)) it would be a much better type.

Better stat distribution on ice mons and not giving every water type under the sun the most relevant ice type move (ice beam) would also go a long way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 19:55:14 No.30564225 Report

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>>30559225
nidoking gengar tentacruel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 19:57:28 No.30564272 Report

Quoted By: >>30564561

>>30559254
Ice and Bug probably.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 19:57:32 No.30564274 Report

Quoted By: >>30564367

>>30561032
Anything from typing to ability to movepool can make a mon shit. On paper, a Pokemon with a fast attack stat spread should go well, provided other factors don't hold it back

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:01:21 No.30564356 Report

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>>30564192
ice being weak to rock doesn't even make any fuckin sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:01:58 No.30564367 Report

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>>30564274
Never denied that. The anon I was replying to said that such a pokémon would always be good regardless of other factors like typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:04:14 No.30564412 Report

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>>30564192
Just fucking get rid of the rock weakness, nice nerf to Undercover Gravel too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:07:42 No.30564504 Report

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>>30559225
Nidos, nihilego

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:07:57 No.30564509 Report

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>>30564175
Fire seems like one of the better types. Sure, it used to be pretty shit, but it has useful resistances and can't get burned. The common weaknesses it has sucks but don't hinder it that much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:10:22 No.30564561 Report

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>>30564272
I'd say Bugbros have been living the good life since Gen V.

Icefags are the whiniest...but they actually have a good reason to be pissed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:12:53 No.30564624 Report

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>>30560299
The main thing that makes A-Ninetales good is its synergy with Snow Warning, Aura Veil, and decent offensive presence.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:16:03 No.30564710 Report

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>>30558417
I like your Pokemon, But this one is better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:19:16 No.30564787 Report

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>>30558417
No it's Water. Scald is RNG trash, Hydro Miss is unreliable as fuck, Swift Swim is stuck on pathetically slow shitmons, and etc. :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:20:38 No.30564819 Report

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>>30560660
underrated

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:21:46 No.30564844 Report

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>>30559221
>Can get rid of Toxic Spikes
>Good number of resistances
>One of the two types that resists Poison
>Only two weaknesses

Poison is decent Game Freak just needs to start making better POISON POKEMON. Same with Ice types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:25:59 No.30564931 Report

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>>30564175
Fire has a few good mons but I think it's really good cause it is effective against a decent number of commonly used types in the meta, namely steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:26:26 No.30564941 Report

Quoted By: >>30565284

>>30560564
Ferrothorn is also a Steel type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:33:09 No.30565109 Report

Quoted By: >>30565227 >>30568579

>there's an NPC in S/M which straight up calls Rock a disadvantageous type

Would anyone even use Rock if stealth rock didn't exist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:37:15 No.30565227 Report

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>>30565109
Rock is a type who is best suited for offensive roles.
The type mainly has two problems.
>a lot of the pokémon of the type are usually slow bulky ones that do not work well with the type
>physical rock moves have shit accuracy and special rock moves are a joke, making a lot of the rock types with sweeper stats less than stellar too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 20:39:12 No.30565284 Report

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>>30564941
Primary type, Grass. The first type always denotes the major design/thematic behind a Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 21:57:07 No.30567411 Report

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>>30558417
Only if you're Verlisify.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 22:39:08 No.30568579 Report

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>>30565109
Tyranitar exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Dec 2016 23:59:56 No.30570941 Report

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Bump.

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