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Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 14:03:12 No.30616552 View View Reply Original Report

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>Old Pokemon gets new form
>New form is locked behind basically zen mode

What the actual fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 15:49:50 No.30618041 Report

Quoted By: >>30618292 >>30619069

>people STILL think Power Construct is bad
Zen Mode is bad because it forces Darmanitan into a role it can't really do well. Power Construct is good because it increases Zygarde's already good bulk, allowing it to recover lots of health from Leftovers, and in conjunction with Coil, allows it to set up Substitutes that are very hard to break.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:07:40 No.30618292 Report

Quoted By: >>30618416

>>30618041
>People praise power construct when the complete forme should be default be permanent

Just no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:15:43 No.30618416 Report

Quoted By: >>30618456 >>30618505

>>30618292
>let's make it even more broken

You don't realize just how bulky this thing is

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:18:35 No.30618456 Report

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>>30618416
>it's a chansey with offensive capablities

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:21:59 No.30618505 Report

Quoted By: >>30618570 >>30618661 >>30618688 >>30618842 >>30618859 >>30618883 >>30619196

>>30618416
Ice Beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:25:31 No.30618570 Report

Quoted By: >>30618859

>>30618505
This.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:30:21 No.30618661 Report

Quoted By: >>30618937

>>30618505
Yeah that's right, having a 4x weakness breaks every wall.

I mean, just look at Ferrothorn, fire blast just fucking kills it. Some wall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:31:33 No.30618688 Report

Quoted By: >>30618856

>>30618505
>hurr pokemon has x4 weakness therefore it's bad
when will you fucking idiots learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:38:28 No.30618842 Report

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>>30618505
252+ SpA Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-Black Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Zygarde: 593-702 (93.2 - 110.3%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

That's only 56% OHKO from a STAB 4x effective move

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:39:15 No.30618856 Report

Quoted By: >>30619358

>>30618688
>being an idiot for pointing out the obvious weakness

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:39:26 No.30618859 Report

Quoted By: >>30618922

>>30618505
>>30618570
>posts calcs showing that Ice Beam is often a 2-3HKO from the most viable users

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:40:39 No.30618883 Report

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>>30618505
xD

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:42:45 No.30618922 Report

Quoted By: >>30619117

>>30618859
>Not all Zygardes gonna be full sp def invested

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:43:23 No.30618937 Report

Quoted By: >>30618960 >>30619107 >>30619320

>>30618661
Ferrothorn is often in Rain Teams for this very reason. You can't really reduce damage from Ice, unless you have Thick Fat or you want to meme it up and use the Occa Berry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:44:31 No.30618960 Report

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>>30618937
*Yache Berry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:49:46 No.30619051 Report

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Anyone who thinks complete gard isn't broken has never actually fought it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:50:25 No.30619069 Report

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>>30618041
Also, zygarde doesn't change back if it goes over 50%. Darmanitan does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:51:24 No.30619095 Report

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>m-muh smogon
>m-muh bans
>fwaaaa muh tiers are not official fwaaa

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:52:27 No.30619107 Report

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>>30618937
>Rain Teams
Is this gen 5? Pelipper getting Drizzle didn't make rain great again, it's still as gimmicky as it was last get. Ferro is just a good wall, even this gen especially when you realize a majority of the current OU is things it resists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:52:50 No.30619117 Report

Quoted By: >>30619161

>>30618922
If they don't they're stupid.

There's a reason it was the first ban to ubers this gen, even before reinstating aegislash's ban.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:54:56 No.30619161 Report

Quoted By: >>30619241 >>30619276

>>30619117
gotta love the community, everyone's stupid if they don't do the same shit as I do hmm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:56:30 No.30619196 Report

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>>30618505
Kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 16:58:50 No.30619241 Report

Quoted By: >>30619270

>>30619161
I mean if the alternative is becoming an unkillable god then I don't see why they wouldn't do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:00:16 No.30619270 Report

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>>30619241
was pointing out how kind and welcoming the community was, not zygarde

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:00:39 No.30619276 Report

Quoted By: >>30619364

>>30619161
You know that's the exact opposite of why they ban things right?

They ban things based on two reasons:
1. Overuse but they don't care about that in OU
2. It's able to wall/sweep a solid majority of the metagame

You must either never have played bank OU when it was still unbanned or be really daft.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:02:19 No.30619308 Report

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>just use le ice beam lol!

People forgetting substitute exists?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:02:58 No.30619320 Report

Quoted By: >>30619341

>>30618937
Ferrothorn on rain teams? Don't you mean Scizor? You know that rain is purely offensive playstyle, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:04:04 No.30619341 Report

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>>30619320
Weather teams in general are a offensive playstyle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:05:02 No.30619358 Report

Quoted By: >>30619393

>>30618856
no you retard, he's implying that zygarde is bad because it has a x4 weakness, which is obviously not true and it has never been true if a pokemon has the stats, abilities and movepool to back it up such as ferrothorn, tyranitar, garchomp or scizor

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:05:16 No.30619364 Report

Quoted By: >>30619381 >>30619455

>>30619276
smogon is a joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:06:05 No.30619381 Report

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>>30619364
Zygarde is banned officially too :,)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:06:45 No.30619393 Report

Quoted By: >>30619542

>>30619358
never said zygarde was bad you retard, but somehow its stupid to point out the obvious weakness?

kys retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:10:25 No.30619455 Report

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>>30619364
If you care about bans, why play smogon?

Just play VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:12:46 No.30619528 Report

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Why u guys get mad about x4 ice about Zygarde but don't say anything about x4 ice Garchomp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:13:18 No.30619542 Report

Quoted By: >>30619561

>>30619393
If obvious weakness for you is the fact that 4x effectivness can't even KO a mon then I think you're a bit too autistic to have an opinion of the metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:14:55 No.30619561 Report

Quoted By: >>30619837

>>30619542
>Cubone used Ice Beam!
Yeah. Zygardshit is dead. Git gud, Smogautists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Dec 2016 17:31:16 No.30619837 Report

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>>30619561
Are... are you a fucking idiot?
Cubone would take 3 turns to kill a regular zygarde with ice beam...

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