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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 10:51:28 No.30639791 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>30639870 >>30640788 >>30642062 >>30645681 >>30646122

Best set for this ninja?

>inb4 burastu baan jokes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 10:54:44 No.30639808 Report

Quoted By: >>30639836

Double team
Cut
Water Shuriken
Ariel ace

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 10:55:20 No.30639819 Report

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DURAGON

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 10:56:18 No.30639831 Report

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I like:
Hydro Pump
Water Shuriken
Dark Pulse
Extrasensory/Ice Beam/Other coverage move

Use hydro pump with a z-crystal to ensure a kill/batte bond

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 10:56:45 No.30639836 Report

Quoted By: >>30639870

>>30639808
>cut

Maybe after transforming it's change into water type?
did someone checked it out? maybe we are in some water-bubble situation

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 10:59:07 No.30639870 Report

Quoted By: >>30640011 >>30642715

>>30639836
>it's a meme you dip, that's its original Ashnime setup

>>30639791
When move tutors come out give it gunk shot like its protean version

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 11:03:31 No.30639915 Report

Quoted By: >>30646325

Physical/Mixed/Special?

I'm thinking just special now until tutors

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 11:11:28 No.30640011 Report

Quoted By: >>30642149

>>30639870
I know it is, but i still wonder if that's a thing. in the anime every time it's uses cut it's changes into water blades.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 11:19:26 No.30640085 Report

Quoted By: >>30641474

Can someone do the math of his Water Shuriken vs Scizor's Bullet Punch? Feels like they're about even, but I'm bad at math.

Shuriken is still good for being consistent priority that breaks subs/sash/sturdy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 12:27:13 No.30640788 Report

Quoted By: >>30642059

>>30639791
Water Shuriken
Dark Pulse
Extrasensory
Ice Beam

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:20:45 No.30641474 Report

Quoted By: >>30642042 >>30642391

>>30640085
252 SpA Life Orb Ash-Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 129-153 (29 - 34.4%

252+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 102-121 (22.9 - 27.2%)

252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 147-174 (33.1 - 39.1%)

>tfw it's almost as strong as Talonbro

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:40:27 No.30642042 Report

Quoted By: >>30642118

>>30641474
Now run it with the best set.
With Specs and in rain so Pelibro can help out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:41:39 No.30642059 Report

Quoted By: >>30642403

>>30640788

I run this, but I use Scald instead of Water Shuriken.

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:41:50 No.30642062 Report

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>>30639791
Why would I need to make that joke when Gamefreak already did it for me?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:44:10 No.30642097 Report

Quoted By: >>30642195

If he's so strong, how come he lost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:45:53 No.30642118 Report

Quoted By: >>30642153

>>30642042

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 216-255 (48.6 - 57.4%) -- approx. 98% chance to 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Toxapex: 141-166 (46.3 - 54.6%) -- 59.8% chance to 2HKO

oh shit nigger. But yeah, Specs is a good option. i prefer life orb but it's good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:47:06 No.30642136 Report

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Rawst Berries and Recycle

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:48:16 No.30642149 Report

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>>30640011
…

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:48:30 No.30642153 Report

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>>30642118
>2HKO
jesus christ
I wonder how it fares against shit like Topu Keko.
Would Specs in Rain Grenigga just sweep if you've cleared their resists?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:51:24 No.30642195 Report

Quoted By: >>30642321

>>30642097
Because executives and Alan's M Xard being almost Champion tier in the anime.

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:57:05 No.30642286 Report

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>>30642062
>loves the heat
EVERY FUCKING TIME

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 13:59:42 No.30642321 Report

Quoted By: >>30645222 >>30645522

>>30642195
>Almost champion tier
Megazard X in the anime shitstomped everything aside from the Primals.

It's the strongest mon Ash's faced off against so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 14:05:22 No.30642391 Report

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>>30641474
Holy nutballs! I'm glad to see Water Shuriken is a legit viable option.

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 14:06:04 No.30642403 Report

Quoted By: >>30645763

>>30642059
>Ash-Greninja
>not running water shuriken

What's the point? You basically denying a water variant of bullet seed+technician, priority to boot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 14:10:25 No.30642457 Report

Quoted By: >>30642547

This will sound stupid as fuck but...
Is there a legal way to change a nature ingame?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 14:15:42 No.30642547 Report

Quoted By: >>30642612

>>30642457
Only by soft resetting gift mons and legendary encounters. Once you capture and/or save, that's a wrap

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 14:19:33 No.30642612 Report

Quoted By: >>30642651

>>30642547
Oh... I've a got a Naive Ash-Greninja... I wonder if I can make it work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 14:22:14 No.30642651 Report

Quoted By: >>30642709

>>30642612
That's the best nature. You can use physical moves like U turn and the eventual tutor moves. It's frail as hell and can't take any kind of hit so you lose nothi g

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 14:26:38 No.30642709 Report

Quoted By: >>30643012

>>30642651
Considering its EVs and IVs are fixed I guess you're right.
I think it's a good idea to replace Double Team with U-Turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 14:26:59 No.30642715 Report

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>>30639870
Who are you quoting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 14:46:30 No.30643012 Report

Quoted By: >>30643045

>>30642709
You can tweak the EVs though. Just use berries. You can hyper train the defense IVs as well.

In the end, the only thing you'll lose over protean ninja move wise (after tutors) is HP fire, and that was a niche pick anyway.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 14:49:45 No.30643045 Report

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>>30643012
>reaching lvl 100

I-I guess I cant settle with what I've got

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 14:52:35 No.30643088 Report

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I'm occuping it timid with Surf, dark pulse, Ice beam and Grass Knot in the tree and it give me good results, It can't be a lead because it's too damn fragile, but can kill anyone that Ribombee Doesn't kill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 16:55:38 No.30645222 Report

Quoted By: >>30645641

>>30642321
It was getting stomped by Malva until it BURASTO BAAN'd, his blast burn just seems to be super strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:12:12 No.30645522 Report

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>>30642321
It also got merc'd by Mega Blastoise.

As far as anime goes Experience > Anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:18:18 No.30645641 Report

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>>30645222
Even that has limits. Steven's Metagross gave not a single fuck about his Blast Burn.

But hey, that's Steven, and Champions in the anime are next level OP. I have to wonder how he'd do against Cynthia, who had no issues with roflstomping an AXEW into next year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:20:13 No.30645681 Report

Quoted By: >>30645822

>>30639791
I run:
Modest Nature,
Scald
Water Shuriken
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse
Item: either Icium Z (good for securing a kill early for BB) or Life Orb

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:23:43 No.30645736 Report

Quoted By: >>30645841

go for special build and always keep shuriken

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:25:01 No.30645763 Report

Quoted By: >>30645796

>>30642403
I prefer the burn.

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:26:30 No.30645796 Report

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>>30645763
>not running both Scald and WS

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:27:41 No.30645822 Report

Quoted By: >>30645871

>>30645681
>modest
>when top kek exist and can outspeed it now if it has a positive speed nature

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:28:51 No.30645841 Report

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>>30645736
This. Plant some Kelpsy berries and use them to get rid of his attack EVs and max out his Sp Atk instead. Otherwise you're wasting his potential

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:30:23 No.30645871 Report

Quoted By: >>30646188

>>30645822
I have no intentions of keeping the Narutoad out if Mr. LightningCock shows up. That's what Marowak is for

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:33:05 No.30645935 Report

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>It's raining and I secure a kill with Memefrog
>Opponent switches into Topu Keko to punish me
>MIZU SHURIKEN oneshots Topu Keko
Feels great man

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:36:27 No.30646035 Report

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What have gone so right? it's actually a viable thing which having it's own niche, which Protean can't have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:40:56 No.30646122 Report

Quoted By: >>30646145

>>30639791
So what's the boost that Battle Bond gives on Water Shuriken? Because I kept seeing different numbers.

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:42:15 No.30646145 Report

Quoted By: >>30646347 >>30646571

>>30646122
BP from 15 to 20
3 hit always

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:44:14 No.30646188 Report

Quoted By: >>30646469

>>30645871
Specs or life orb Hydro Pump OHKO it though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:49:41 No.30646325 Report

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>>30639915
The only good physical moves it gets are tutor exclusive, so yeah go Special.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:50:43 No.30646347 Report

Quoted By: >>30647192

>>30646145
is it always 3? i thought t was just like 90% but could still hit other amount

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 17:55:52 No.30646469 Report

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>>30646188
Except I don't run specs or Hydro Pump, so I shouldn't be out vs it anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 18:00:47 No.30646571 Report

Quoted By: >>30646974 >>30647192

>>30646145
Is that the number everyone's settled on? I knew about the 3 hits thing, but apparently Showdown used a 1.5x modifier at one point and someone did calcs on Smogon that suggested a 2x multiplier.
I replied to the guy who posted the post you, well, posted, and he said he was just using Serebii's number.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 18:19:37 No.30646974 Report

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>>30646571
The trainer handbook for SM says the power is 20 and always hits three times. 60 BP multi hit priority move with 90 BP after STAB sounds good enough. If it would be 30 it would be fucking overkill.

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Anonymous Fri 09 Dec 2016 18:29:32 No.30647192 Report

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>>30646347
it's always 3 hit. still fucking good.

>>30646571
i wished it was 2x or 1.5x, but it's 1.33x (or 20bp if you want).
still really, really good. it's pretty much Mega-Scizor Bullet punch that you can attach with life orb/specs, break sash/sturdy and can break sub

at 30BP it will be fucking stupid. 135 BP priority is retarded -

252 SpA Choice Specs Ash-Greninja Water Shuriken(30BP) (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 216-255 (48.6 - 57.4%) -- approx. 98% chance to 2HKO

This is how bullshit it could have been. part of me want it to be that powerful, but it's better that way.

>tfw Ash-Greninja replacing Talonflame in a way

i wished i could use best bird the same way as gen 6 with Ash-Greninja to kill shit together.

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