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Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:13:13 No.30694568 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>30694615 >>30694878 >>30694916 >>30695087 >>30695908

There is now an ability called Frozen Armor. It has a 30% chance to freeze after being hit by a contact move. It ups to 50% if the pokemon is knocked out.

These five pokemon get it.

Who is the defacto Frozen Armor pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:15:48 No.30694599 Report

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Avafugg

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:16:06 No.30694605 Report

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Definitely not Sandslash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:16:08 No.30694606 Report

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Sandslash and Avalugg. If you really want to make use of something that has a chance to happen when you get hit, you need to be able to be hit more than once for it to matter.
In other news, it'd be instantly banned by smogon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:17:12 No.30694615 Report

Quoted By: >>30694650 >>30694665

>>30694568
Why is there not a status move that freezes like thunder wave and will O wisp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:22:12 No.30694650 Report

Quoted By: >>30694699 >>30694823 >>30696873

>>30694615
Would be too overpowered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:24:36 No.30694665 Report

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>>30694615
Because Ice has to be the worst type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:28:37 No.30694699 Report

Quoted By: >>30694738

>>30694650
It's literally the same as Sleep

Comfyanon

Comfyanon Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:33:09 No.30694738 Report

Quoted By: >>30694762 >>30694768 >>30696023

>>30694699
No it is not.

>Freeze
no limit on how long it last

>Sleep
Limited to 1-4 turns

Freeze can literally go on for 10+ turns without breaking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:35:58 No.30694762 Report

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>>30694738
There's more things that can clear it out, like most fire attacks and scald, that even the frozen pokemon can use.
But it would be broken to be able to inflict the status at will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:36:35 No.30694768 Report

Quoted By: >>30695075

>>30694738
i played a showdown match in gen 5 where my opponent was frozen for 18 turns

i had never felt so bad for anyone in my life

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:44:00 No.30694823 Report

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>>30694650
Not if you distrubite it to the right and few Pokemon who could use it. Aurorus and Avalugg could definitely make great use of it. Freeze as a status move is not that much different from Sleep. You can thaw out the very turn you freeze in and can even use moves to get out of it(Scald en Flare Blitz being the most common ones). On top of that, Pokemon can't be frozen under harsh sun light, so Drought users and Sunny Day could see (way) more use. I would say that Freeze at this point is balanced out enough to deserve its own status move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:50:33 No.30694878 Report

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>>30694568
Walrein should get it instead of Froslass

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:57:11 No.30694916 Report

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>>30694568
You're grossly underestimating how good that is.

Avalugg gets banned from Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 10:59:05 No.30694934 Report

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You want to make freeze good again?

Make freeze permanent like gen 1 where the only way to defrost was by getting hit by a fire move.

Lower the freeze chance to 5% on all ice moves that can freeze. Double the chance when used by an ice pokemon. Make it so it can only happen once per game or only one pokemon can be frozen at a time (auto freeze clause).

Now any ice pokemon can get essentially an OHKO move by spamming ice beam, freeze becomes a good but rare status condition, and ice stall becomes a legit strategy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 11:07:05 No.30694988 Report

Quoted By: >>30695009 >>30695016

>gamefreak will always leave ice as the worst type
>gamefreak will always make ice types available late-game
>gamefreak will continue to make more fairy types (53 total pokes) than ice types (43 total pokes)
>gamefreak will never make ice strong against fairy to take care of two power imbalances at the same time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 11:10:12 No.30695009 Report

Quoted By: >>30695187

>>30694988
Buffing ice offensively accomplishes nothing. A fairy resist I could see helping, though.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 11:11:16 No.30695016 Report

Quoted By: >>30695187

>>30694988
>Make Ice good against Fairy
>Water types now buffed, Ice types still shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 11:18:46 No.30695075 Report

Quoted By: >>30695101

>>30694768
I'm more surprised at your opponent sticking in for more than 5 turns frozen tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 11:20:28 No.30695087 Report

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>>30694568
>using aurorus and slandlash defensively
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRFsk49Hxc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 11:21:31 No.30695101 Report

Quoted By: >>30695632 >>30695662

>>30695075
Every time I freeze an opponent on showdown they just disconnect. Smogonbabbies can't handle anything random.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 11:30:14 No.30695187 Report

Quoted By: >>30695463 >>30695575

>>30695009
>>30695016
This. Ice is a bad type to have, not to use. Buffs to Ice only make sense by some how addressing how shit it is defensively, even if you don't just go right to tinkering with the matchups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 11:57:06 No.30695463 Report

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>>30695187
What about making Ice resist Fairy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:06:39 No.30695575 Report

Quoted By: >>30695622

>>30695187
>make Ice super effective against and resist Fairy
>make Ice resist Dragon

Wow, now it has a defensive purpose in the very healthy meta; and Fairy needs a real weakness. If not Ice, then Fire or Rock or something. Being vulnerable to two shit movepools like Steel and Poison, with even shittier access for non Poison and non Steel types, is fucking retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:11:13 No.30695622 Report

Quoted By: >>30695648

>>30695575
Turn the bug resistance into a weakness desu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:12:29 No.30695632 Report

Quoted By: >>30695659

>>30695101
if you happen to randomly freeze the one thing capable of stopping [insert setup sweeper] then why bother playing out the loss over the next few turns instead of instantly conceding?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:14:04 No.30695648 Report

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>>30695622
No, Bug is already good for coverage, and as a typing.

I don't really want Ice to have more coverage as much as I want Fairy to be weak to ONE TYPE that's common and used by many pokemon for coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:14:57 No.30695659 Report

Quoted By: >>30695688

>>30695632
to accept your defeat honorably

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:15:36 No.30695662 Report

Quoted By: >>30695698

>>30695101
I got frozen twice by ice beams in the same showdown match and was laughing my ass off.

Then later in a different match, I got a Crit on a sleeping toxapex with my +3 Xurkitree and my opponent threw a fit.
I think sometimes people are glad the RNG doesn't go their way so they have something to blame the loss on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:16:17 No.30695668 Report

Quoted By: >>30695727

>Ice now resists water and rock
>Immediately viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:17:54 No.30695688 Report

Quoted By: >>30695714

>>30695659
which you do by conceding
forcing your opponent to play out a loss is nothing other than poor sportmanship
especially if said loss came due to random chance

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:18:50 No.30695698 Report

Quoted By: >>30695980

>>30695662
Baseline crit chance is the biggest issue with competitive pokemon.

GF should have removed baseline crit, given players a reason to use something like Focus Energy, and updated moves nobody uses with "this move always crits" or "this move has x% chance to crit".

Crits are retardedly powerful; they factor in all offensive buffs, ignore all defensive buffs, and deal 1.5x damage on top of STAB or super effective damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:20:34 No.30695714 Report

Quoted By: >>30695806

>>30695688
you could still win though,just quitting right away instead of at least seeing what happens is in poor form

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:22:29 No.30695727 Report

Quoted By: >>30695793

>>30695668
Water kind of makes sense, but why would it resist rock?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:28:15 No.30695793 Report

Quoted By: >>30695847

>>30695727
>expanding ice as it freezes destroys rocks
Watch more magic school bus, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:29:09 No.30695806 Report

Quoted By: >>30695845

>>30695714
if your opponent is now free to start dragon dancing infront of your fairy there's no real point in playing out the inevitable conclusion

heck in most mental sports like say, chess, its considered a sign of inexperience to keep playing past the point of defeat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:33:18 No.30695845 Report

Quoted By: >>30695873

>>30695806
Chess doesn't really have a situation where a dice roll changes the current set up of the board, though. For better or worse, Pokemon is a game with chance fundamentally factored in, and as such it's not too much of a stretch to be able to have it break back your way after it already gave you a bad one. People don't have to like it, or even put up with it, but there's nothing wrong in playing a game out where you had a bad draw. I'm not saying you should rely on it or something retarded like "if you were really good you could still play past it," but one pretty bad roll is not really enough to justify quitting in all circumstances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:33:26 No.30695847 Report

Quoted By: >>30695874

>>30695793
I know about ice being less dense than water, but shouldn't that mean rock would be weak to ice, not that ice would resist rock?
Hitting a chunk of ice with a rock would damage it a fair bit.
sorry if i messed up that first sentence

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:35:04 No.30695873 Report

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>>30695845
there's plenty of circumstances where its justified
your opponent is not obligated to have you fap all over your +3/+3 sweep they can do fuckall about

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:35:13 No.30695874 Report

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>>30695847
Oh right, you were talking about resists, not super-effectiveness.

Eh, it could still work. A lot of type match-ups only "make sense" in an offensive way even if they don't all the time in real life. Ie. all those bugs that eat birds or all those plants that fuck up bugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:39:00 No.30695908 Report

Quoted By: >>30696015

>>30694568
sounds like a shit ability even at 100% all it takes is to switch to a fire type or better yet just use a special or non-contact move like rock slide

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:44:44 No.30695980 Report

Quoted By: >>30696066

>>30695698
Some defensive stall Pokemon are impossible to break without crits, there a necessary evil.
If something with Stockpile or Cosmic Power has recovery and access to something like twave then crits had be to exist for a chance for the other player to win.

You don't wanna lose because a stallmon haxxed you out do you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:47:47 No.30696015 Report

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>>30695908
>what are teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:48:17 No.30696023 Report

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>>30694738
Would it be that fucking hard to put a max timer on freeze.

My god. This is literally the only thing that they need to do. Who cares if its then too similar to Sleep? At the moment its basically a non factor in most battles apart from some unfortunate hax.

My god how autistic are people who cant see how simple it is to fix this status instead just crying 'muh broken'.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:52:15 No.30696066 Report

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>>30695980
There's always Chip Away and Sacred Sword.
Even then, if a guy can get to +6 Def/SpD, I think they deserve the win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 12:54:31 No.30696085 Report

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For some reason I feel like Frostbite would be a better name for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 13:25:23 No.30696463 Report

Quoted By: >>30696510 >>30696527 >>30696537

Anyone know how to get freeze dry onto a ninetails?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 13:29:31 No.30696510 Report

Quoted By: >>30696528

>>30696463
Galile onto a smeargle bred onto vulpix

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 13:30:47 No.30696527 Report

Quoted By: >>30697420

>>30696463
Want me to just give you a Snow Warning Vulpix with Freeze-Dry, Moonblast, and Encore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 13:30:47 No.30696528 Report

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>>30696510
I literally just figured this out and went to reply to my own post.

But you are a kind sir anyhow, thank you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 13:31:14 No.30696537 Report

Quoted By: >>30696602

>>30696463
Breed with Swinub or Delibird

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 13:36:23 No.30696602 Report

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>>30696537
Hey the issue is that those don't learn it by level up, so they need to breed with something else.

The correct answer is just Glalie onto a Smeargle with sketch and then onto Ninetails via breeding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 13:57:21 No.30696873 Report

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>>30694650
What is hypnosis

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Dec 2016 14:31:25 No.30697420 Report

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>>30696527
think you can send one my way? I'm utterly dreading having to SoS the Snow Warning Vulpix.

I'll throw a mimikyu up asking for it, if you do reply soon.

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