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Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 19:39:51 No.31061267 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31061392 >>31061399 >>31061418 >>31063858 >>31064720 >>31065480

So what's keeping them from being broken (Lele notwithstanding)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 19:41:37 No.31061309 Report

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Both sides can benefit from the terrain existing, for one thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 19:42:40 No.31061326 Report

Quoted By: >>31061385 >>31061421 >>31064358 >>31064712 >>31065508

Tapu Koko is walled by alolan marowak but it might get banned
Tapu Bulu has grass stab (which sucks) and no fairy stab, it will probably be UU
Tapu Fini is shit lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 19:46:22 No.31061385 Report

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>>31061326
>Tapu Bulu has grass stab (which sucks) and no fairy stab, it will probably be UU
you're right about unfortunately no fairy, but this thing hits ridiculously hard with its wood hammer. its not gonna be UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 19:46:42 No.31061392 Report

Quoted By: >>31061498

>>31061267
bulus ability also heals the opponent, and finis ability prevents it from statusing the opponent (which is kinda bad for a defensive pokemon)

Koko:
other then boosting opponents electric attacks, i dont see any disadvantages for the opponent. it even stops him from resting (and if you run koko i doubt that your plan was to spore the opponent)

i think only koko and lele have the possibility of being broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 19:47:30 No.31061399 Report

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>>31061267
Can't wait to use Fini in PU.
Moonblast Shiftry will be nice to use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 19:48:21 No.31061413 Report

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I'd only say they're broken in doubles, I've been running lele+alakazam and there is nothing anything can do to stop me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 19:48:32 No.31061418 Report

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>>31061267
Koko lacks the power to be truly broken, especially if its using a non-electric attack
Bulu has the power but Grass is shit so instead of OHKOing everything it 2HKOs them because of resists
Fini lacks a lot of things

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 19:48:37 No.31061421 Report

Quoted By: >>31061735 >>31063749

>>31061326
Fairy STAB wouldn't even help since everything that walls fairy also walls grass. It's redundant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 19:51:44 No.31061469 Report

Quoted By: >>31061735

Lele is frail physically, and doesn't have reliable answers to most Steel types.
Koko has a better Special movepool, which works off of his lower offensive stat.
Fini is a defensive Pokemon that can't status opponents most of the time.
Bulu's terrain greatly profits opponents and prevents you from reliably using EQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 19:53:28 No.31061498 Report

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>>31061392
>Koko
>Broken
Maybe if it had both of his Attack stats switched, access to Moonblast and Energy Ball; unless you lock yourself with Specs or manage to get a Calm Mind up Koko hits like a bitch with anything that isn't an Electric move and its coverage is awful from both sides

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 20:07:42 No.31061735 Report

Quoted By: >>31062140

>>31061421
There is Buzzwole but not much else
>>31061469
>Lele is frail physically, and doesn't have reliable answers to most Steel types.
This is a common misconception. Lele is pretty well equipped to deal with Steels in her movepool(Focus Blast, Shadow Ball and Thunderbolt). Of course, she can't cover every Steel in one moveset, but the point still stands that AV Magearna is the only Steel type that reliably handles every Lele set.
Everything else you said is true though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 20:31:56 No.31062140 Report

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>>31061735
>There is Buzzwole but not much else
Zen Headbutt covers it and Poison types as well. Honestly, since Wood Hammer 2HKO's nearly everything that isn't a quad resist, I would rather use Bulu as an offensive Grass than an offensive Fairy. With access to Swords Dance, very little would enjoy stomaching a Wood Hammer at +2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:02:11 No.31063749 Report

Quoted By: >>31063847

>>31061421
To hit Bug, Flying, and Dragons

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:07:43 No.31063847 Report

Quoted By: >>31064616

>>31063749
>To hit Bug, Flying
Stone Edge covers that and Fire(resists both Fairy/Grass). Really doesn't help at all.
>Dragons
Only valid grass resist. Though if your not Goodra, most dragons hate taking a Banded Wood Hammer and Stone Edge to the face.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:08:33 No.31063858 Report

Quoted By: >>31063941

>>31061267
>Koko
Ground Types
>Bulu
Not enough coverage and too slow
>Fini
No healing outside of gimmicks
>Lele
Over-reliant on Choice items and FMS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:12:51 No.31063941 Report

Quoted By: >>31063993

>>31063858
>Not enough coverage and too slow
It's coverage is fine. Its due to the fact that Grass is a shit type. If it was Ground/Fairy with Ground Terrain it would be Ubers in a heartbeat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:13:28 No.31063955 Report

Quoted By: >>31064114 >>31064371

>mfw I notice Tsareena is pretty mucho Bulu with better coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:15:15 No.31063993 Report

Quoted By: >>31064042

>>31063941
>Ground/Fairy with Ground Terrain
Wouldn't that just be Terrain?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:16:43 No.31064015 Report

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Koko uses an average stat

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:18:18 No.31064042 Report

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>>31063993
>Tapu Tera's Terra Surge caused Terra Terrain!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:22:24 No.31064114 Report

Quoted By: >>31064226

>>31063955
>lower attack stat
>less bulk
>no grassy terrain 50% boost

haha nope, your waifumon is shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:28:36 No.31064226 Report

Quoted By: >>31064263 >>31064278

>>31064114
>any poison move

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:30:17 No.31064263 Report

Quoted By: >>31064277

>>31064226
>>>>>>>>implying that a 4x weakness to fucking Poison of all things somehow makes mono-Grass a better type combination than Grass/Fairy
Force your Palm around your neck and Shadow Sneak your way into the next life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:31:07 No.31064277 Report

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>>31064263
>Technician

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:31:13 No.31064278 Report

Quoted By: >>31064375

>>31064226
yes anon. pokemon have weaknesses. more news at 11.

it doesn't make your waifu not shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:35:17 No.31064358 Report

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>>31061326
>but it might get banned
You mean fucking marowak might get banned?

Why? it's just the anti-meta pokemon. It's slow and has many counters.
Unless I read you incorrectly and you mean Koko might get banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:36:07 No.31064371 Report

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>>31063955
All Tsareena has over Bulu is Fairy moves. And even then, her strongest physical Grass move 70 fucking BP which is weaker than nonSTAB High Jump Kick? Tsareena is a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:36:18 No.31064375 Report

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>>31064278
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/31032719/#q31036267

Your sombrero bro just got deported to RU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:49:32 No.31064616 Report

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>>31063847
i don't see why dragonite or mence would mind it much

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:51:17 No.31064651 Report

Quoted By: >>31064670

Don't worry anon,they all get Shell Smash as a tutor move in the Gen 4 remakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:52:06 No.31064670 Report

Quoted By: >>31064729

>>31064651
is there anything that won't get shell smash in the Gen 4 remakes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:54:22 No.31064712 Report

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>>31061326
Bulu and Fini are both currently A-rank in pokebank OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:54:32 No.31064715 Report

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>Koko
Too predictable. Bolt/Volt/Ice/Dazzle. MAYBE U-Turn or BB but not hard too handle.

>Bulu
Can't say too much, grass STAB isn't too great offensively but his natural coverage and the boost it gets merits a bit of looking at. That and the passive recovery for things like stall.

>Lele
She's breaking it.

>Fini
No recovery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:54:45 No.31064720 Report

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>>31061267
>tfw totem legendary gets walled by shit rat

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 22:55:25 No.31064729 Report

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>>31064670
Kommo-o

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 23:36:33 No.31065480 Report

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>>31061267
Fini nerfs its own scald, but has a major niche as a non SR weak defogger.
Bulu has no fairy stab, a 4x weakness to poison, and is decently frail specially. It also nerfs Earthquake, which a lot of people who use it don't seem to realize.
Koko is strong, but not broken like Lele, without priority immunity. It's also a tad predictible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Dec 2016 23:38:12 No.31065508 Report

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>>31061326
>Tapu Fini is shit lol
Just because it doesn't murderdeath everything doesn't mean it's shit. It's an amazing support mon and checks a lot of stuff.

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