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Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:25:58 No.31083944 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31083989 >>31083993 >>31083999 >>31084038 >>31084046 >>31084098 >>31084338 >>31084710 >>31085051

>Ash-Greninja is A+
>Protean is A

How.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:28:28 No.31083978 Report

Quoted By: >>31084001

>50 more attack and SpA
>10 more Speed

vs

>Gimmicky type changer

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:28:56 No.31083989 Report

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>>31083944
Faster with strong priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:29:11 No.31083993 Report

Quoted By: >>31084112

>>31083944
MOTTO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:29:28 No.31083999 Report

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>>31083944
Minimum base 60 water priority that breaks subs, plus having mega stats while still holding an item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:29:32 No.31084001 Report

Quoted By: >>31084097 >>31084185

>>31083978
>what is same type attack bonus

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:31:00 No.31084028 Report

Quoted By: >>31084156

[muffled iku z in the distance]

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:31:52 No.31084038 Report

Quoted By: >>31084050

>>31083944
Megazard X is dropping in usage so the only reliable check to Ash-Greninja isn't being used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:32:09 No.31084046 Report

Quoted By: >>31084065

>>31083944
Choice Specs.
Imagine a 153 SpA Pokemon using 120 BP Water-type move with STAB and Choice Specs.

Either way, I'd say Protean Greninja is still better, because Ash-Greninja requires set up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:32:30 No.31084050 Report

Quoted By: >>31084086

>>31084038
ecks dee very original jok

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:33:13 No.31084065 Report

Quoted By: >>31084083 >>31084105

>>31084046
>120 BP water move

What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:34:17 No.31084083 Report

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>>31084065
Fuck, 110. 4 years, and I still make this mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:34:23 No.31084086 Report

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>>31084050
IDK, anon, I smiled. The concept wasn't original, but the execution was cute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:34:52 No.31084097 Report

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>>31084001
Ash-greninja water/dark moves hit harder obviously, but protean is good for coverage i guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:35:06 No.31084098 Report

Quoted By: >>31084147

>>31083944

Choice Specs Ash-Greninja is what Keldeo wishes it was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:35:33 No.31084105 Report

Quoted By: >>31084137 >>31084170

>>31084065
Ash Greninja with Hydropump demolishes anything neutral to it aside from de blob and if you give it rain it begins chunking even things that resist it.

Ash Ninja in rain is terrifying. Water Shuriken oneshots things like Xurk and Koko.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:35:49 No.31084112 Report

Quoted By: >>31084145

>>31083993
MOTTO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:36:57 No.31084133 Report

Quoted By: >>31084185 >>31084195 >>31084210

Usage is inflated because pre-bank. Also
>Smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:37:16 No.31084137 Report

Quoted By: >>31084161

>>31084105
>Ash literally could have going for Goodra rain dance + Ash-Greninja to sweep everything

Fucking hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:37:51 No.31084145 Report

Quoted By: >>31084186

>>31084112
TSUYOKU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:37:57 No.31084147 Report

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>>31084098
Greninja wishes he had a special stab that hit on the physical side

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:38:29 No.31084156 Report

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>>31084028
woh woh woh yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:38:44 No.31084161 Report

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>>31084137
This. I would've loved for Alain to sweep Ash's entire team with Guillotine spam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:39:13 No.31084170 Report

Quoted By: >>31084223

>>31084105
>Ash Greninja with Hydropump demolishes anything neutral to it aside from de blob and if you give it rain it begins chunking even things that resist it.
>but it missed!
The end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:39:47 No.31084185 Report

Quoted By: >>31084285 >>31088503

>>31084001
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 164-192 (48 - 56.3%)

252 SpA Life Orb Greninja-Ash Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 144-170 (42.2 - 49.8%)

Protean isn't THAT much stronger for coverage. Anyways, there's a staggering difference when it comes to its primary STAB.

252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 199-235 (58.3 - 68.9%)

252 SpA Life Orb Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 265-312 (77.7 - 91.4%)

Pair this up with +10 Spe and one of the best priority moves in the game, you end up with an excellent mid-late game sweeper.

>>31084133
The ranking is based on the post-bank meta, anon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:39:51 No.31084186 Report

Quoted By: >>31084277 >>31086268

>>31084145
IKU Z GEKKOUGA

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:40:14 No.31084195 Report

Quoted By: >>31084269

>>31084133
>Phoxfags on damage control after they swore up and down it would be shit

/vp/ is truly a wonderful world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:40:50 No.31084210 Report

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>>31084133
I barely even play Smogon, but even I know that their newest ratings for OU are literally all post-bank. How retarded are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:41:21 No.31084223 Report

Quoted By: >>31084248 >>31084254 >>31084264

>>31084170

>80% accuracy

Only a 20% chance of missing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:43:01 No.31084248 Report

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>>31084223
>Only a 100% chance of missing when you really need it

Fixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:43:28 No.31084254 Report

Quoted By: >>31084278

>>31084223
>He's never missed 5 Hydro Pumps in a row
hownuru

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:44:06 No.31084264 Report

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>>31084223
If its not 100% accuracy its 0% accuracy

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:44:19 No.31084268 Report

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>/vp/ actually thought it will be shit and outclased by protean

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:44:23 No.31084269 Report

Quoted By: >>31084925

>>31084195
Phoxfags should just accept that their husband will be better competitively than they are.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:45:06 No.31084277 Report

Quoted By: >>31085217

>>31084186
Gekkouga sentou funou!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:45:15 No.31084278 Report

Quoted By: >>31084306

>>31084254
This, anything less than 100% is just not worth using, Stone Miss sometimes if it's tyranitar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:45:39 No.31084285 Report

Quoted By: >>31085185

>>31084185
>Priority moves in a Tapu Lele Meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:46:57 No.31084306 Report

Quoted By: >>31084339

>>31084278

The extra power is worth the lower accuracy. It's often the difference between you OHKOing the opponent, and them surviving and OHKOing you.

lrn2play

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:48:40 No.31084338 Report

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>>31083944
>what if we gave Keldeo coverage, priority, and even more speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:48:45 No.31084339 Report

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>>31084306
The extra 20% accuracy is the difference between you getting damage off and not being able to revenge kill because they'll survive the next move. There are reasons to run either and it's usually a tech choice on most mon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:50:57 No.31084383 Report

Quoted By: >>31084400

>there are people who would rather run Dragon Pulse over Draco Meteor because they're that autistic about the slight chance of a miss

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:51:02 No.31084386 Report

Quoted By: >>31084417

GEE GRENINJA WHY DOES GAME FREAK LET YOU HAVE TWO OVER POWERED ABILITIES?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:52:28 No.31084400 Report

Quoted By: >>31084410

>>31084383
I think it has more to do with having to swap out to get rid of the debuff from D-Meteor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:53:16 No.31084410 Report

Quoted By: >>31084424

>>31084400

You were going to swap out anyway, so it doesn't matter

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:53:45 No.31084417 Report

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>>31084386
Protean isnt over powered greninja was fine till gunk shot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Dec 2016 23:54:33 No.31084424 Report

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>>31084410
That's outrage, not Draco Meteor. People will go for double and triple meteor

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:06:20 No.31084610 Report

Quoted By: >>31084653 >>31084674 >>31084911 >>31084933 >>31084948 >>31088568

I legitimately have 0 clue of how people actually let this thing mega evolve. Is it offense tards who have 0 bulky pokemon to keep it as normal Greninja?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:08:33 No.31084653 Report

Quoted By: >>31084948

>>31084610
You bring it out on an already weakened pokemon in order to make them reconsider leaving their weakened pokemon out to die to get a safer switch-in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:09:34 No.31084674 Report

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>>31084610

>What are teammates
>What is picking off a weakened foe

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:11:34 No.31084710 Report

Quoted By: >>31084724

>>31083944
I dunno. Protean is the ultimate coverage threat to put in the anchor position in singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:12:32 No.31084724 Report

Quoted By: >>31084793 >>31084804

>>31084710
One's an anchor, the other is a late game sweeper. They have different roles and that's probably what they're being judged on, as opposed to head-to-head

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:16:15 No.31084793 Report

Quoted By: >>31084939

>>31084724
I want to use a team that has both Ash-Greninja and Protein Greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:16:44 No.31084804 Report

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>>31084724

This, you play Ash-Greninja in a completely different way than Protean Greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:22:19 No.31084911 Report

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>>31084610
Waiting until it can clean.
Having wall-breakers to weakened shit for it.
Choice specs allow it to drop Powerfull shit even before transforming.

it's not the best against stallfags, but once it's transform.. only the blob can block it's shit up.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:23:01 No.31084925 Report

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>>31084269
Fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:23:24 No.31084933 Report

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>>31084610
Slow pivots into Greninja gives them the choice of giving it the transformation or switching out and losing 30-60% on a Dark Pulse

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:24:02 No.31084939 Report

Quoted By: >>31088595

>>31084793
I think they should allow it desu
Data-wise they are different pokemon
also, think of the M I N D G A M E S

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:24:35 No.31084948 Report

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>>31084610
>>31084653
U-Turn or Volt Switch with someone
I've been using Tapu Koko

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:26:31 No.31084984 Report

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>MFW
>I get my Ash-Greninja
>It's timid

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:30:55 No.31085051 Report

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>>31083944
>this is better than a Greninja changing its types
Surprised?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:33:24 No.31085094 Report

Quoted By: >>31088261

Best partners for Ash-Greninja?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:38:27 No.31085185 Report

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>>31084285
>Greninja used Hydro Pump!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 00:39:47 No.31085217 Report

Quoted By: >>31086154

>>31084277
NO
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7customgame-503402351

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 01:29:46 No.31086154 Report

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>>31085217
Fucking Alan.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 01:36:45 No.31086268 Report

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>>31084186
>using a tiny version
pls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 03:17:49 No.31088261 Report

Quoted By:

>>31085094
Garchomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 03:31:08 No.31088503 Report

Quoted By: >>31088726

>>31084185
I know Water Shuriken gets a BP boost while in Ash-form. Does this put the acerage damage up to Hydro Pumps level, or not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 03:35:07 No.31088568 Report

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>>31084610
In a way, this is actually an advantage. It makes people play ultra-conservatively and prioritize not letting it transform. In more than one match I've played, the damage a player took while avoiding the Greninja transformation was honestly equal, if not greater to the damage they would have taken if they just foddered something and revenged it properly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 03:36:36 No.31088595 Report

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>>31084939
>Protean Greninja, Ash-Greninja, and Zoroark on the same team
>Is it trying to just sweep me with crazy Stab moves, is it trying to KO something and sweep, or is it all a ruse to lure out and eliminate my only Greninja counter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 03:44:16 No.31088726 Report

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>>31088503

Water Shuriken's BP is boosted to 20 as Ash-Greninja, and it always hits 3 times.

So, 60 BP.

Add STAB and it becomes 90 BP.

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