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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:19:21 No.31094101 View View Reply Original Report

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Is he the worst, most incompetent, and overrated evil team leader in the series?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:19:55 No.31094109 Report

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>>31094101
nice bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:21:10 No.31094120 Report

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That's Giovanni

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:24:45 No.31094158 Report

Quoted By: >>31094181

>>31094101
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:26:30 No.31094169 Report

Quoted By: >>31094181

>>31094101
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:27:25 No.31094176 Report

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>>31094101
Possibly

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:27:36 No.31094179 Report

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>>31094101
Maybe.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:27:50 No.31094181 Report

Quoted By: >>31094213

>>31094158
>>31094169
fight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:32:27 No.31094212 Report

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>>31094101
Yes, he is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:32:47 No.31094213 Report

Quoted By: >>31094219

>>31094181
that was me samefagging though, should I punch myself?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:33:22 No.31094215 Report

Quoted By: >>31094226 >>31094239 >>31094248 >>31094254

>>31094101
Guzma is perhaps the best. Maxie & Archie are full retards, but they're lovable. Giovanni is bland, but no gen 1 characters have any depth anyway, so it feels cheap to call him bad. Cyrus is solidly evil and insane, but almost no one rates Galactic very high, so it'd be wrong to say he's overrated.

Lysandre is garbage, but he's literally based on Hitler. He is simultaneously insufferable and charismatic, disgusting and bland. Easily the worst. Flare is a joke, and Malva's non-story makes me angry to this day AND makes me hate Diantha & Sycamore even more as a result.

Worst case of wasted potential are the HGSS Rocket Quartet, though, easily.

Also fuck your bait OP, sage

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:33:53 No.31094218 Report

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>>31094101
I was alright with him but his fanbase is the most annoying thing
he's not that great

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:33:55 No.31094219 Report

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>>31094213
Nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:34:59 No.31094226 Report

Quoted By: >>31094272

>>31094215
>Guzma
>the best
>when he was lusamine's dog the entire time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:37:37 No.31094239 Report

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>>31094215
Also, N and Ghetsis were pretty great. I'd say they're best, with Guzma in 2nd (or 3rd depending on how you count it).

Also fuck you, OP.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:38:31 No.31094248 Report

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>>31094215
>Archie is a full retard
ftfy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:38:59 No.31094251 Report

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Guzma accomplished pretty much everything he set out to do. He was able to distract the protagonist long enough so that Plumeria could get Lillie and Cosmog, and was able to buy enough time for Lusamine to open the Ultra Wormhole and head into Ultra Space with her. I don't know if I'd even rank him as a proper evil team leader, though, considering he was under Lusamine's authority the entire time - it's sort of like how N was built up to be the big bad, only for it to actually be Ghetsis.

Worst evil team leader was Lysandre, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:39:18 No.31094254 Report

Quoted By: >>31094306 >>31094499 >>31097005

>>31094215
Yeah, no. In order, from best to worst, in goes:

Cyrus
Giovanni
Lysandre
Maxie
Ghetsis (BW2)
Ghetsis (BW)
Archie
Goozfug

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:40:58 No.31094265 Report

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>>31094101
>worst
nah, other villains had more stupid motives

>incompetent
nah, he was more of a challenge compared to lusamine

>overrated
maybe but that's just fujos sucking his dick

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:41:32 No.31094272 Report

Quoted By: >>31094342

>>31094226
Granted, but he has more character than most other Pokemon villains combined. Lusamine was evil, deplorable, and frighteningly effective, but then you find out all or most of that can be chalked up to Nihilego mindfucking... which is a total cop-out.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:43:08 No.31094280 Report

Quoted By: >>31094319 >>31094337 >>31094342 >>31096252

>>31094101
>Destruction in human form!
>I'll fuck you!
>SHIT! WHY CAN'T I FUCK YOU!
>I'll fuck you next time!

I mean, he actually topped Archer in terms of being shit. I didn't even think that was possible. Archer at least had a decent reason for being in his position, and a clear goal. Guzma had none of those. He made Team Skull because why the fuck not. His motive is to be the dog of a bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:46:16 No.31094306 Report

Quoted By: >>31094337

>>31094254
even though your opinions are shit, I'd like to point out that gen 2 Team Rocket is so horrible that you forgot they existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:46:35 No.31094309 Report

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>>31094101
Yes, actually. And I like him.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:48:00 No.31094319 Report

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>>31094280
>I'll fuck you!
>SHIT! WHY CAN'T I FUCK YOU!
>I'll fuck you next time!
sounds like my sex life

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:49:21 No.31094329 Report

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at least rocket gen ii invested in security in their base-

then i remembered that fucking murkrow

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:50:06 No.31094337 Report

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>>31094306
A lot of people don't count Archer as his own boss and still say its Giovanni.

Still, Archer is better than Guzma, because of what >>31094280 said here. He gas a clear goal, and his motives were set up well in FRLG. His plans were also better than a lot if the other evil team leaders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:50:57 No.31094342 Report

Quoted By: >>31094390

>>31094272
>4 lines of dialogue repeated
>more character than most other Pokemon villians combined

Yeah, no. Guzma in-game is bland shit. Plumeria has more character than him, and she shows up like 3 times for like 15 seconds each time. Even a few of the generic Team Skull goons come off with more personality than Guzma. If he didn't say the line "It's your boy" and have the overall charisma of Team Skull as a whole backing him up, nobody would give a fuck about him.

Cyrus, both versions of Ghetsis, and Lusamine all have more character than him. And hell, even if they're shitty retards, even Archie and Maxie have more character than him, too.

>>31094280
This.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:52:31 No.31094358 Report

Quoted By: >>31094400

>>31094101
I think Archer is the worst but Guzma is second

>he doesnt do anything memorable in the game, even Lillie's kidnapping was by Plumeria, not Guzma
>he doesnt do anything to be redeemed, in fact you need to save his ass
>Team Skull overall is seen as a joke and a niusance by Alola people
>He's a dick to his parents even though he has a loving mother and was clearly liked by Hala

He's just an idiot who doesnt have any redeeming qualities, he's also a dog to a bigger boss (lusamine)

But yeah Archer is even worse

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:53:39 No.31094367 Report

Quoted By: >>31094386 >>31096209

Guzma in my opinion is the best because of the implied backstory he has. Being from an abusive household and forming a gang full of misfits with no clear goal besides fucking around and gathering Buginium Z in a way to try and become that trial captain you never got to be.

>you're overthinking it!

Oh, fuck off. The original japanese dialogue is even more explicit about Guzma's dad beating him, plus the golf clubs, the photo album that hasn't been opened, the trophies. It all matches up to an abusive past that's made Guzma into what he is. That implied backstory, which was done surprisingly well for Pokemon standards, makes him the best team leader easily.

Plus, his dialogue is funny at times, he's got a good theme, and he's even kinda challenging.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:54:00 No.31094373 Report

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he was the worst """"""""evil"""""""" boss and literally just made it because he's fed up being a failure so he recruited other failures to feel good about himself

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:56:36 No.31094386 Report

Quoted By: >>31094394

>>31094367
No it was implied he was the dick to his parents, not the other way around

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:57:31 No.31094390 Report

Quoted By: >>31094442

>>31094342
Plumeria is hot but she never says anything of consequence, ever. Her into lines about being the protector of the dumb, weak grunts is her one contribution to the narrative.

She is never seen talking to Guzma or Lusamine. Beyond kidnapping Lillie, there'd be no evidence that she was actually involved in the plot at all!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:58:21 No.31094394 Report

Quoted By: >>31094407

>>31094386
The way I saw it, it implied his father saw him as a failure for not doing well (ergo, the bronze and one silver trophy) so he "set out to set him straight", which just led to Guzma leaving.

And even if your kid is a dick, you shouldn't beat him up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 11:59:31 No.31094400 Report

Quoted By: >>31094482 >>31096143

>>31094358
>I think Archer is the worst but Guzma is second
but they're the most lovable leaders

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:00:58 No.31094407 Report

Quoted By: >>31094431 >>31096295

>>31094394
But the father said HE was the one who got beating

Besides even if Guzma's father would be a bit of a dick that still doesnt make Guzma a good character. Not to mention his mother clearly loves him a lot and he had Hala as his mentor. Guzma is just a dick

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:02:00 No.31094415 Report

Quoted By: >>31094433 >>31094443

>he is the best evil leader because he was abused as a child!!!!1111

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:03:41 No.31094431 Report

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>>31094407
Yeah, he says he got beat in the end, but that doesn't erase the fact that he, on purpose, tried to harm his own son and might've done so earlier.

The mother just seems like the generic "he dindu nuffin" kinda mom. Besides, the game already implied earlier on when Kukui and Guzma met that he wanted and tried to be a trial captain, so being taught by Hala fits the picture. Even if he's taught by the Kahuna doesn't mean he was going to succeed or that he was the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:03:49 No.31094433 Report

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>>31094415
The backstory adds literally nothing to Guzma's character. He was beaten and he ran away from house, which doesn't connect to his current position as a gang leader. The backstory was just slapped on top when GF realized how pointless and shitty a character Guzma was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:06:00 No.31094442 Report

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>>31094390
Plumeria has her intro scene, and the scene at Poni Canyon that let you know she genuinely cares about her friends in Team Skull. Then she has her Elite 4 Title Defense match, where she says she's starting fresh as a pokemon trainer and "doing it right this time." You can tell from her saying she needs to deepen her friendship with her pokemon after you beat her that she's serious about making something better for herself.

She's not important to the plot, but she's got ten times the personality Guzma has. She has a range of thoughts and emotions that she shows on-screen, unlike Guzma's two or three. Even Guzma's postgame "arc" is just the exact same shit he did the rest of the game. Disbanding Team Skull meant nothing to his character, while Plumeria takes something and grows from it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:06:06 No.31094443 Report

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>>31094415
He's the best as a CHARACTER, I should've said. I don't think he's exactly the best team leader because he's not the most effective. My bad for bad wording.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:13:20 No.31094482 Report

Quoted By: >>31094494

>>31094400
Female please go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:15:14 No.31094494 Report

Quoted By: >>31094514

>>31094482
as a full hetero male, i can assure you that guzma is easily the most loveable. people who like guzma aren't all gayfags and women.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:15:59 No.31094499 Report

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>>31094254
You mean worst to best right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:16:18 No.31094502 Report

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>>31094101
>the worst
No, the best
>most incompetent
Yes
>overrated
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:17:01 No.31094508 Report

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>>31094101
I love SM, but i'll have to agree on this one. Even though he is a badass, he's kind of worthless, lusamine steals all the attention from him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:18:08 No.31094514 Report

Quoted By: >>31094544

>>31094494
Anthony Burch is a full hetero male too :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:20:39 No.31094532 Report

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>worst
No
>most incompetent
Yes
>over rated
Yeah he's kind of getting there. I like him but he isn't god's gift to the Pokemon franchise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:21:42 No.31094544 Report

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>>31094514
i dunno who that is and i don't care

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:27:53 No.31094598 Report

Quoted By: >>31094655

>bromley is lovable
>constantly shits on you
>a manchild who can't move on being a captain
>is literally a bitch for a psychotic woman
>steals other bug crystals so he is the only one who can use it
>resorts to trying to catch a ultra beast so he can beat a child

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:32:55 No.31094650 Report

Quoted By: >>31094781

>>31094101
Isn't he just an admin though?

Lusamine is the real person controlling skull through guzma.

Shouldn't we be ranking him with all the lower class badies and Lusamine as the leader?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:34:08 No.31094655 Report

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>>31094598
Toten Sie selbst, germanfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 12:48:20 No.31094781 Report

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>>31094650
That's like saying you own a construction company just because you hired them to build a shed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 13:10:31 No.31094958 Report

Quoted By: >>31094988 >>31095034 >>31095965

There isn't really an "evil" team in Sun/Moon. Team Skull are just run-of-the-mill hoodlums that nobody considers a threat (except Lillie, who pees herself at the drop of a hat).

Their influence in the games is meant more for humor than anything else, and they fill that role just fine. It's Aether that is supposed to be more of a mysterious and possibly evil entity, but aside from abusing Type:Null and Cosmog, they seem to do more good than bad. They don't want to steal shit or rule the world or bring on the apocalypse.

As such, I'd say Guzma is not the worst, not by a longshot. His motives make perfect sense and he never goes above his pay grade. He's just salty that he couldn't be a trial captain, so he acts like a prick and bullies people.

Compared to the morons of team Aqua/Magma and Flare, he is easily a better character.

Also I don't even remember what team Galactic was all about, they were ridiculously unmemorable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 13:14:49 No.31094988 Report

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>>31094958
>They don't want to steal shit

They're literally Pokemon thieves

At least Aqua, Magma and Flare had actual motivation, were well organized and had real bosses

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 13:17:47 No.31095011 Report

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>>31094101

He made for a better character than Lysandre.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 13:17:46 No.31095012 Report

Quoted By: >>31095058 >>31095066

>>31094101
He's not the worst, idk about incompetent but he's definitely overrated as fuck.
>has a weak non memorable team
>barely does anything
>team skull being a joke
>overlooked by lusamine
fags and girls only like him because he's "cute" or "hot". besides them I don't think anyone actually likes him since he doesn't do anything important

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 13:21:42 No.31095034 Report

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>>31094958
You could just write that Skull is wigger parody of Rocket and be done with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 13:24:34 No.31095058 Report

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>>31095012
I like his themesong, and the fact that he isn't some leader of a super serious organization. He's just a gangboss. I actually like how unimpressive he is, if that makes sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 13:25:10 No.31095066 Report

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>>31095012
People like him because "ITS YA BOY" gives him the illusion of having a charismatic thuggish personality, even though he doesn't have it at all and all of the thug gangster shit is entirely the nameless Skull Grunts. Then his shit fanbase takes that illusion and makes fan content around it, making it seem more like he's not extremely boring. Then people see that fan content and forget what an unremarkable piece of shit he is in the actual game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 14:54:49 No.31095965 Report

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>>31094958
Team Galactic, D/P: Fuck this world. I'm gonna imprison the lake elves to power a machine to build bdsm chains for the god of time/space.
Team Galactic, Pt: Fuck this world. I'm gonna imprison the lake elves to power a machine to build bdsm chains for the god of time/space in order to bait out Lucifer which I'll control normally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 15:09:50 No.31096143 Report

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>>31094400
They're the one you feel sad for the most

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 15:13:10 No.31096173 Report

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>>31094101
He had drive always wanting to beat you down but the fact that he's always failing and takes orders from someone else kinda makes him feel like a minion and not a big bad boss

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 15:17:37 No.31096209 Report

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>>31094367
>Guzma in my opinion is the best because of the implied backstory he has.

This.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 15:21:45 No.31096252 Report

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>>31094280

he made team skull because no one loved him and he was a bitter man

It makes sense, Hawaii is a shitty place to live if you are on the wrong side of town.

Especially since most the cops, while friendly enough, don't give a fuck enough about their job to actually leave their police station unless a tourist gets lost or a SUV is doing 100 mph down a dirt road and merges with a tree on the molecular level.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 15:26:19 No.31096295 Report

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>>31094407

What his father says is that he wanted his son to be the best. In his room off of route 2 you can see a bunch of bronze (and one silver) trophies in his room.

His father got all pissy and beat him with golf clubs until they broke, after Guzma failed to become trial captain it caused him to snap and led to such massive self-worth issues he essentially formed the cripes.

I mean a lot of gangs were founded by fuck-ups and Guzma is a fuck up.

I think a lot of it is that how much you get out of his character is based off how much stock you put in implications and life in hawaii today.

I like that ultimately his motivation was just to be a useless piece of shit and raise a bug farm

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 15:44:36 No.31096525 Report

Quoted By: >>31097025

Reminder that it was Guzma who beat his dad with golf clubs and not the other way around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 15:47:19 No.31096558 Report

Quoted By: >>31096817 >>31096858

>>31094101

Yes, but the things you just described make him an interesting character far superior to the other team leaders. Apart from the "overrated" bit, that word is wrong and generally meaningless anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 16:04:56 No.31096817 Report

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>>31096558
>His daddy beat (only implied) him.
>Is evil now.
>Become a pet.
>Interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 16:08:09 No.31096858 Report

Quoted By: >>31096939

>>31096558
>His daddy beat (only implied) him.
>Is evil now.
>Becomes a pet.
>"Far more superior to other team leaders."

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 16:09:31 No.31096871 Report

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That would be whoever lead Nu-Team Rocket in GSC

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 16:14:51 No.31096939 Report

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>>31096858
don't bother lad , there's a dumblr browsing guzma threads defending his loser honor

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 16:19:18 No.31097005 Report

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>>31094254
>Cyrus the literal autist
>anywhere but the bottom

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Dec 2016 16:20:24 No.31097025 Report

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>>31096525
No, his dad beat him and then he beat his dad in retaliation before running away.

They beat each other.

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