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UBER VIABILITY RANKINGS RELEASED

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:19:15 No.31181058 View View Reply Original Report

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ubers-viability-ranking-thread-preliminary.3591388/

>lunala a-
>zygarde a-
>solgaleo b-

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:21:36 No.31181102 Report

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>Xerneas and Yveltal are still better
>M-Gengar and M-Salamence are better
What went so wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:22:37 No.31181122 Report

Quoted By: >>31181182

>Kyogre in D

Oh how the mighty have fallen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:24:09 No.31181146 Report

Quoted By: >>31181196 >>31181197 >>31181225

>>31181058
This is the first time I've seen Ubers. Why're A-Muk, Excadrill, Bronzong, Shuckle, and Dugtrio there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:24:31 No.31181153 Report

Quoted By: >>31181197 >>31181225

>>31181058
why are toxipecs clefable cloyster and muk uber?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:25:02 No.31181161 Report

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>Arceus-Water is now the 2nd best Arceus form, ahead of Arceus-Ghost
>Muk-A is as viable as Darkrai
>Yveltal is as viable as Xerneas

The meta shifts are subtle, but they're there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:25:23 No.31181171 Report

Quoted By: >>31181227

>>31181058
>Ho-Oh that high
Wait, what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:25:52 No.31181181 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181058

Suncuck BTFO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:26:03 No.31181182 Report

Quoted By: >>31181400

>>31181122
Kyogre and Groudon are more a case of "why would you ever use this over its primal?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:26:28 No.31181196 Report

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>>31181146
A-Muk shits over Lele and deals with Xerneas to some extent
Excadrill and Bronzong do what they've always done in the past
Shuckle is there for stickyweb and something else, I forgot
Dugtrio traps grounded things

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:26:32 No.31181197 Report

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>>31181146
>>31181153
Because they know what they are doing, unlike you retards that spout off type weakness memes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:27:24 No.31181219 Report

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>>31181058
I'm so happy that Ho-oh has managed to stay so good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:27:45 No.31181225 Report

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>>31181146
>>31181153
They're not Uber tier themselves, they're just good mons to use in Ubers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:27:48 No.31181226 Report

Quoted By: >>31183759

>Genie of healthy meta is now C+ tier

Get fucked Landorus

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:27:49 No.31181227 Report

Quoted By: >>31182001

>>31181171
Ho-oh's been great ever since it got Regenerator and actual physical STAB.
Where the fuck have you been?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:27:52 No.31181228 Report

Quoted By: >>31181462

>>31181058
Wow, so that "-ate" nerf did have some impact. Salamence is still a monster, but it went from S to A+

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:29:13 No.31181258 Report

Quoted By: >>31181270

Mega Fug is still banned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:29:38 No.31181270 Report

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>>31181258
Why the fuck would it not be

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:31:01 No.31181292 Report

Quoted By: >>31181305 >>31181341 >>31181925

>>31181058
Am I blind or is Mega Blaziken now banned from ubers too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:31:22 No.31181305 Report

Quoted By: >>31181348

>>31181292
Mega Blaziken doesn't exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:33:14 No.31181341 Report

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>>31181292
Nah, it's megastone is unreleased

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:33:29 No.31181348 Report

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>>31181305
Oh yeah. Le sun and moon meme strikes again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:34:16 No.31181358 Report

Quoted By: >>31181431 >>31183338 >>31183381

>>31181058
HOW IS SOLGALEO THAT LOW

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:35:07 No.31181383 Report

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Holy shit

Mega Gengar is so based

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:35:44 No.31181400 Report

Quoted By: >>31181464 >>31181526 >>31183056

>>31181182
I can understand always using Primal Groudon since vanilla Groudon was overall meh in Ubers (and Primal Groudon gets to actually use it's special movepool and gains extra STAB) but why Kyogre? Unless you're running physical the gains are only +30 Sp.atk, +20SpD and Primordial Sea. Vanilla Kyogre can still run sets like the Choice Scarf set, physcially defensive set and assault vest and not be completely outclassed by the primal; the only real problem I see that it gets incedibly hard countered by Primal Groudon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:36:55 No.31181425 Report

Quoted By: >>31181460 >>31181797

>>31181058
I don't play competitive but is Primal Groudon S+ because or Desolate Land and his access to Solarbeam?
Or because he's only weak to Ground since Desolate Land makes Water useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:37:13 No.31181429 Report

Quoted By: >>31185614

>>31181058
>alolan Muk more viable than speed boost blaziken

Pls explain

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:37:18 No.31181431 Report

Quoted By: >>31182474 >>31183240

>>31181358
>Solgaleo is superior!
>Lunala is shit because 4x weakness!
>Solgaleo is ranked lower than Lunala
>Solgaleo is ranked lower than a literal pile of sludge

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:38:33 No.31181460 Report

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>>31181425
Immune to paralysis and burn
Immune to water(4x) moves
Instant solarbeam
STAB fire and ground
Insane bulk
Good support/boosting moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:38:39 No.31181462 Report

Quoted By: >>31181495

>>31181228
Nah, the nerf didn't change shit, especially because now it has 120 speed in the first turn when megaevolving. What made it drop were the new threats in Uber

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:38:46 No.31181464 Report

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>>31181400
Pseudo weather wars basically
Primal Groudon is everywhere so people throw out Primal Kyogre to change the weather to scare it out

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:39:35 No.31181495 Report

Quoted By: >>31181542 >>31181604 >>31185923

>>31181462
So how's Gengar that good now? Is it becase Darkrai got BTFO?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:41:00 No.31181526 Report

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>>31181400
>only real problem is getting hard-countered by the best Pokemon in the tier

That's the only problem you need.

There's also the fact that one of PGroudon's best checks, PKyogre, can't be used if you're using regular Kyogre. It's a pretty easy decision to make.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:41:46 No.31181542 Report

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>>31181495
Mega speed increase in turn one now
Why lucario is up so high now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:42:42 No.31181563 Report

Quoted By: >>31181597

>>31181058
Why is Lando-T a higher rank than Lando-I but Lando-I is banned from OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:44:15 No.31181597 Report

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>>31181563
Lando-I is a worse Ground Arceus when it comes to Ubers

And of course, a Pokemon's standing in Ubers has little to do with OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:44:45 No.31181604 Report

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>>31181495
Same reason, though I thought it lost iron tail so physical sets aren't that viable anymore so idk

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:45:03 No.31181606 Report

Quoted By: >>31181838 >>31181875 >>31183114

can someone explain why blissey is better for ubers and Chansey for OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:45:09 No.31181610 Report

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>>31181058
>P-Don is still at the top

noncanon Kyogrecucks BTFO for another generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:46:04 No.31181628 Report

Quoted By: >>31181750

>>31181058
>Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Toxapex and Muk are somehow Uber
I know they are good but those are literally the first four Pokemon I made this gen and I'm sure as hell going to use them.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:50:41 No.31181727 Report

Quoted By: >>31181752 >>31181762

>>31181058
>M-Salamence A+ even in ubers

What kind of fucking monster has GF created?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:51:43 No.31181750 Report

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>>31181628
No, you idiot. They're USED in Ubers, they aren't uber. Do you really think Shuckle is ubers just because it's on the list?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:51:45 No.31181752 Report

Quoted By: >>31181820

>>31181727
are you ignoring Gengar lurking in fucking S or what

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:52:03 No.31181762 Report

Quoted By: >>31181820

>>31181727
They made Rayquaza Jr.
It was like that in Gen IV, and it's still like it now. Especially since they both got Megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:53:25 No.31181797 Report

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>>31181425
P-Groudon is S+ because it does everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:53:31 No.31181799 Report

Quoted By: >>31181908

>>31181058
So aren't things that are over centralizing banned? It's not like Ubers isn't a tier of its own now with AG acting as what Ubers was before hand. What prevents Primal Groudon from being overly centralizing when it's used on nearly every single team in the tier?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:54:42 No.31181820 Report

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>>31181752
Gengar is more outright made to be broken. I guess I'm just more used to it and megamom being ridiculous mistakes of X and Y, you think they would've learned how to do non-legendary megas by ORAS.

>>31181762
>TFW Salamence is UU now

Still blows my mind. Now that's what I call powercreep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:55:37 No.31181834 Report

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Has mega-mom been bumped down to ubers? can you use it in OU now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:55:39 No.31181835 Report

Quoted By: >>31181880 >>31182030 >>31182061 >>31182081 >>31182769 >>31189446

So, who's going to be the first cover legendary with the exception of Kyurem-B to get thrown into OU shit?

I'm betting on Solgaleo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:55:56 No.31181838 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181606
>can hold shed shell to escape mega gengar
>usable special attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:57:41 No.31181875 Report

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>>31181606
I'm sure they calculated yvetal's usage rate to be crazy high, not a lot of other knock off users in ubers though. Honestly I'd probably just use chansey anyways cus that's an easy bait for a double switch to get Xerneas vs Yvetal and then get a free Geomancy in as he switches out.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:57:51 No.31181880 Report

Quoted By: >>31181930 >>31182081 >>31189446

>>31181835
I can see Solgaleo, especially if powercreep continues as rapidly as it has since gen 6. Another top contender is Darkrai, there's no reason for it to be Uber now that dark void is dead and it's basically a mediocre special Weavile with no knock off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 22:59:45 No.31181908 Report

Quoted By: >>31183671

>>31181799
Smogon is still reluctant to treat Ubers like a full tier yet. Ubers has always been over-centralized, this isn't really new.

The only reason they banned MegaFugg was because it 2HKO'd everything in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:00:04 No.31181925 Report

Quoted By: >>31181962

>>31181292
It has the same ability as standard KFC and takes up a mega slot in a tier where several other megas are more desirable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:00:27 No.31181930 Report

Quoted By: >>31185975

>>31181880
>darkrai
>cover legendary
Anyway, Darkrai may drop at some point, but it might be a bit too strong for OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:01:46 No.31181962 Report

Quoted By: >>31182063

>>31181925
This makes a lot of sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:03:21 No.31182001 Report

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>>31181227
Ho-Oh had Brave Bird and Sacred Fire before Regenerator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:04:10 No.31182010 Report

Quoted By: >>31182081 >>31182085 >>31182088 >>31182091 >>31182230 >>31186034

>>31181058
>Shaymin-S
>C+ Ubers

Comeone do a good job of convincing me why Shaymin-S isn't OU, especially given the Ubers lite feel that Gen 7 OU has at the moment. Always felt like one of the more mediocre Ubers mon in the tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:04:58 No.31182030 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181835
Suicune was OU in Gen 2 so you're a little late.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:06:48 No.31182061 Report

Quoted By: >>31182136 >>31182148

>>31181835
Considering how Solgaleo has Z splash and Steel, Psychic, Fire, Ground and Electic physical coverage combined with good type bulk, and recovery in morning sun I highly doubt it will drop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:06:52 No.31182063 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181962
it hits just as hard with a life orb anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:07:56 No.31182081 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181835
I don't think 680s are ready. Solgaleo would be a bad fit as none of its sets would share the same counters or checks, and the Z-Splash set in particular would just fly through everything.

>>31181880
No way in hell

>>31182010
Shaymin-Sky forces its way past all of its would-be defensive checks

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:08:02 No.31182085 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182010
goesfast
immune to Spikes/TSpikes
RIPPED INTO BY SEED FLARE
60% Air Flinch
support moves like Healing Wish
can subseed if you want

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:08:07 No.31182088 Report

Quoted By: >>31182126

>>31182010
>le serene slash of healthy flinching
Unlike Togekiss and Jirachi, it also has the speed required to abuse flinch hax. And remember that being bad in ubers doesn't mean you should be in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:08:26 No.31182091 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182010
Serene Grace is literally the only thing keeping it out of OU. Given how the OU Team on smogon is losing their mind over how unpredictable Genesect can be, there's no way they'd let SkayminS in since literally every match will be flinchhax

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:09:29 No.31182126 Report

Quoted By: >>31182180 >>31182225 >>31182258 >>31182490 >>31186045

>>31182088
>being bad in ubers doesn't mean you should be in OU
I agree with this statement, but explain KyuB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:10:02 No.31182136 Report

Quoted By: >>31182204

>>31182061
It's still completely outclassed by mega metagross but I agree since it basically fills the same slot without even needing a mega stone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:10:35 No.31182148 Report

Quoted By: >>31182279 >>31183617

>>31182061
Adding to this I wouldn't be surpised to see Vanilla Groudon or Lugia to be the next cover legend to drop; Reshiram might too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:11:57 No.31182180 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182126
It doesn't rock the boat too hard. It was recommended for standard play due to its lack of physical Ice attacks and mediocre defensive typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:13:22 No.31182204 Report

Quoted By: >>31182456

>>31182136
>outclassed

say that when meta gross gets better coverage and a recovery move

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:14:05 No.31182217 Report

Quoted By: >>31182342

>b-but zygarde is a cuck g-guys!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:14:29 No.31182225 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182126
That's more like it's not broken enough to stay out of OU as oppose to it's crap in ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:14:49 No.31182230 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182010
>80% chance to harshly drop special defense

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:15:40 No.31182258 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182126
>I agree with this statement, but explain KyuB.
Shit defensive typing and no good physical ice attack, as well as a lackluster physical movepool in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:16:46 No.31182279 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182148
>lugia
Fuck no. Something with those defenses, roost, and multiscale would break the game if it were to drop to OU. Stall teams are annoying enough already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:19:39 No.31182342 Report

Quoted By: >>31182480

>>31182217
It was. And then it got a new form, new moves, and a good ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:25:37 No.31182456 Report

Quoted By: >>31182482 >>31182594 >>31182665 >>31184131

>>31182204
>steel, psychic, ground, and fighting is not good coverage and does more damage thanks to higher stats and tough claws

It's like comparing garchomp to flygon, just because flygon gets recovery nobody would ever use it over garchomp cus of the speed tier and damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:26:19 No.31182474 Report

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>>31181431
Feels good to be a Moonfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:26:37 No.31182480 Report

Quoted By: >>31182501 >>31182525

>>31182342
It's not like you can use it reliably though.
It's new form only activates once it's below half health which is mega gay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:26:43 No.31182482 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182456
Flygon gets dragon dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:27:25 No.31182490 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182126
With Earthquake and Ice Punch he'll go right back up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:28:06 No.31182501 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182480
>It's not like you can use it reliably though.
Where the fuck have you been?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:28:24 No.31182504 Report

Quoted By: >>31182540 >>31182576 >>31182598

>Buzzwole
What's it doing here in Ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:29:35 No.31182525 Report

Quoted By: >>31182798

>>31182480
It's very reliable but not in Ubers so you just have it start out as 100% instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:30:37 No.31182540 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182504
punching stuff; same as OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:32:32 No.31182576 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182504
Unique resists

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:33:34 No.31182594 Report

Quoted By: >>31182944

>>31182456
It has fucking 137/107/89 bulk on top of reliable recovery, and a movepool that lets it beat steel types that wall Meta like Scizor. It's not good in Uber, but it could run an assload of sets in OU. It could even run a special set because it has an actually good special movepool and 113 special attack isn't crap in OU compared to what it is in Uber.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:33:44 No.31182598 Report

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>>31182504
Sub Focus punch sets is pretty good

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:36:19 No.31182650 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181058
>shuckle
>that high
It's amazing a single move justifies its existence in ubers AND is seen as more useful then a number of of other legendaries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:36:59 No.31182665 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182456
Its more like comparing Infernape to Blaziken

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:44:13 No.31182769 Report

Quoted By: >>31185468 >>31189466

>>31181835
I was going to say Lunala because personally I felt it's two 4x weaknesses to pretty common typings was pretty bad but I guess he's good enough to be A-.
Really though, probably none of them. People thought Ho-Oh was trash enough with sneaky pebbles in the game to drop to OU but then Gen 5 came and gave him Regenerator so that kind of fell on its face. The only reason Kyurem-B is in OU is because his typing is actually garbage and gets like 3 usable physical moves, an issue that pretty much no other box legendary has.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:45:06 No.31182785 Report

Quoted By: >>31182934 >>31182957

Is kartana too shit for ubers? I know guzzlord is garbage but I thought kartana was seen as pretty good.

Where is guzzlord seen actually? Is it even good enough for UU or RU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:45:42 No.31182798 Report

Quoted By: >>31182863

>>31182525
How, by going into battle with it at half heatlh? That seems so silly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:50:11 No.31182860 Report

Quoted By: >>31182922 >>31184167

>not only is Lunala good in Ubers, it's actually better than Lugia
Pointed stones of healthy meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:50:12 No.31182863 Report

Quoted By: >>31182926

>>31182798
By collecting all the cells and having the cube shit out a 100%.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:53:24 No.31182922 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182860
Lunala is just the offensive Lugia
And its coverage is great

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:53:30 No.31182926 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182863
That's not how it works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:53:55 No.31182934 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182785
>bad stab coverage
>coverage attacks are mostly low-bp and make contact
>special bulk is nil
>"only" 109 speed is just okay for a pokemon of this nature

I can't see Guzzlord being in NU since it has no problems KOing stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:54:34 No.31182944 Report

Quoted By: >>31183138

>>31182594
Mostly I just don't think it's that hes better because the 4MSS this guy has going on.

If you're running z splash you aren't running recovery cus you need more coverage than steel/psychic to sweep, if you run life orb with recovery it's sub par because flare blitz/wild charge have recoil, and the scarf/band sets are basically equivalent to megagross speed/damage except you are locked into one move.

Really the only reason I'd use one over the other is if you already have a mega on your team.

(Not that hes bad by any means)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Jan 2017 23:55:24 No.31182957 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182785
>Where is guzzlord seen actually? Is it even good enough for UU or RU?
No.
>massive HP
>average offences
>shit defences
>shit speed
>shit defensive typing
>no reliable recovery
Guzzlord is by far the worst UB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:00:37 No.31183056 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181400
>the only real problem I see that it gets incedibly hard countered by Primal Groudon

That's also a pretty fucking major problem since last gen P-Groudon sat on a 80%+ usage and there are no reasons why it should change.

It's like saying it's okay to play on the freeway as long as there aren't any cars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:03:02 No.31183103 Report

Quoted By: >>31183152 >>31183155 >>31183164 >>31183198

How do we stop Primal Groudon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:03:22 No.31183114 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181606

Mega Gengar is it basically.
Chansey can't do shit to it except Thunder Wave it, meanwhile Gengar can still do his Perish Trap trick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:04:45 No.31183138 Report

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>>31182944
Thing is, it could easily also run a special set. It gets a decent special movepool, it could run an offensive or defensive CM set. I'm sure that some people might even just use a bulky attacking set considering how well it can eat hits alongside not using your Mega slot.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:05:43 No.31183152 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183103

I don't think we can...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:05:52 No.31183155 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183103
Zygarde rapes Groudon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:06:32 No.31183164 Report

Quoted By: >>31183228

>>31183103
>Golduck used Water Gun

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:08:25 No.31183198 Report

Quoted By: >>31183221 >>31183234 >>31183244

>>31183103
>drilbur used hidden power water

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:09:18 No.31183217 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181058
>Alolan Muk

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:09:21 No.31183221 Report

Quoted By: >>31183432

>>31183198
Retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:09:48 No.31183228 Report

Quoted By: >>31183250

>>31183164
>Golducks Water Gun fizzled out!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:10:08 No.31183234 Report

Quoted By: >>31183432

>>31183198
Mate...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:10:26 No.31183240 Report

Quoted By: >>31183284

>>31181431
To be fair, there were retards saying Lunala was gonna be shit because of pursuit and sucker punch, BUT... no one ever said Solgaleo was going to be anything to write home about after seeing the typing and stats.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:10:56 No.31183244 Report

Quoted By: >>31183432

>>31183198

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:11:10 No.31183250 Report

Quoted By: >>31183270

>>31183228
Your even more retarded than the drill bur guy

(Am I being baited?)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:12:28 No.31183270 Report

Quoted By: >>31183286

>>31183250
>(Am I being baited?)
>()

>>>/r/eddit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:13:08 No.31183284 Report

Quoted By: >>31183315

>>31183240
This and GF has done nothing to stop the P-Don rapetrain and Solgaleo sadly has nothing to halt it.
Solgaleo has one very decent niche in checking Xerneas, which is probably the only reason it's still B-.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:13:19 No.31183286 Report

Quoted By: >>31190619

>>31183270
I'm on mobile nigga spoilers are too hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:15:08 No.31183315 Report

Quoted By: >>31183343 >>31183406

>>31183284
At the very least it can cause decent damage with EQ, nothing special unless its running Z-Splash

Really it should be played as a late game cleaner more than anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:16:11 No.31183338 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181358
shadow shield

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:16:37 No.31183343 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183315
I don't think keeping your solgaleo in against groudon is ever a good idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:18:42 No.31183381 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181358
This is basically what would happen to Xerneas and Yveltal if they got regular abilities instead of Auras

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:19:48 No.31183406 Report

Quoted By: >>31183520

>>31183315
The problem is that he's not good enough to be a late game cleaner in ubers where literally everything else does that job better. He's simply outclassed by mega lucario in every aspect of ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:20:59 No.31183432 Report

Quoted By: >>31183483 >>31183521

>>31183221
>>31183234
>>31183244
>what is mold breaker?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:23:22 No.31183483 Report

Quoted By: >>31183519

>>31183432
>he doesn't know

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:25:03 No.31183519 Report

Quoted By: >>31184174

>>31183483
Wait mold breaker doesn't ignore desolate land? Never mind then I'm retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:25:03 No.31183520 Report

Quoted By: >>31183556

>>31183406
Speaking of that, I was kinda surprised to see Lucario up there. Mega speed buff must have really helped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:25:10 No.31183521 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183432
An ability that causes attacks to ignore abilities, however groudon isn't protected by his ability but a weather effect. Otherwise mega gyarados would have a niche

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:27:35 No.31183556 Report

Quoted By: >>31183581

>>31183520
It really does. Its part of the reason why so many of us are pissed at Beedrillite and Diancite being unreleased

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:29:15 No.31183581 Report

Quoted By: >>31183630

>>31183556
I think priority is gonna be a big deal now once beedrill is unleashed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:31:59 No.31183617 Report

Quoted By: >>31183651

>>31182148
>lugia
>ou

They should put reshiram in OU just to show how deluded you people are

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:33:04 No.31183630 Report

Quoted By: >>31183673

>>31183581
>Megadrill/Lele
Who would be a good 3rd?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:34:18 No.31183651 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183617
Oh, Charizard-Y x Specs Reshiram would be a sight to behold

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:34:51 No.31183663 Report

Quoted By: >>31183691 >>31183785

Forgive me for my shit question, but where's Mega Mewtwo X and Y?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:34:51 No.31183664 Report

Quoted By: >>31183748

Can we let blaziken back into OU now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:35:10 No.31183671 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181908
The funny part is that when people on Smogon actually bring up the topic of banning P-Groudon because it's so stupidly good, some sperg will always go "UBERS IS A BANLIST NOT A TIER GO BACK TO OU FAGGOT" in the very same Smogon topic.

I get that they want to keep Ubers "pure" in that it doesn't need suspect tests, but at the same time...P-Groudon is fucking cancer and should be booted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:35:19 No.31183673 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183630
Probably Magnezone if you're going into OU. Seriously, that thing is everywhere in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:36:01 No.31183691 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183663
No mega stones

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:39:06 No.31183748 Report

Quoted By: >>31183799 >>31183870

>>31183664
>Blaziken
>considered better than his mega
>OU
>Talonflame nerf

Yeah, if there was ever a time Blaziken would've returned to OU, it's gone now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:39:27 No.31183759 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181226
Still A+ in OU :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:41:05 No.31183785 Report

Quoted By: >>31183823 >>31183924

>>31183663
>tfw regular mewtwo isn't even more viable than solgaleo according to smogon

I'm calling bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:41:54 No.31183799 Report

Quoted By: >>31183870

>>31183748
>considered better than his mega
Really fires up my Autism when this happens

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:42:51 No.31183823 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183785
>m-muh mewtwo is le most powerful pokemon REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Fuck off genwunner, the two play completely differently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:45:07 No.31183870 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183799
>>31183748
It's worse because it stops you from running gengar/mence

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:47:17 No.31183915 Report

Quoted By: >>31183966 >>31184047 >>31186834

What would ubers look like if p-don was banned to AG

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:47:48 No.31183924 Report

Quoted By: >>31184010 >>31184047 >>31186751

>>31183785
What's the point of Mewtwo when Deoxys-A exists?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:49:16 No.31183966 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183915
Deer simulator: pro edition

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:51:43 No.31184010 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183924
Mewtwo was pretty much always rated higher in previous generations though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:53:26 No.31184047 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183915
More Xerneas & Xerneas checks, Primal Kyogre becomes the supreme being of unboosted damage

>>31183924
Mewtwo still has Fire attacks and can survive an attack if necessary

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:57:35 No.31184131 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182456
Flygon has a very specific niche in ubers though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:59:17 No.31184167 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182860
Shadow Shield and Roost is a hell of a drug

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 00:59:26 No.31184174 Report

Quoted By: >>31184276

>>31183519
Mold Breaker ignores immunities granted by abilities.
Desolate Land creates a weather effect that grants Primal Groudon an immunity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 01:05:15 No.31184276 Report

Quoted By:

>>31184174
really fires up your neurons...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 01:24:12 No.31184639 Report

Quoted By: >>31184796 >>31184869 >>31185092

I wish something would drop to OU.

I would say Zekrom deserves a suspect test in OU, but then I remembered Electric Terrain is a thing and it pairs well with Tapu Koko (Double Volt-SwitchVolt-Switch core, it's retarded but I've seen stuff like that work before) so it's not going to happen.

Any idea if Giratina (Origin or regular) has any chance of ever coming down? Kangashkan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 01:26:29 No.31184679 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181058
Still remember all of the idiots saying Solgaleo was badmetagross and would be OU, lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 01:31:38 No.31184796 Report

Quoted By:

>>31184639
They tried giratina as a April fools joke couple years back wasnt pretty

You know theres something wrong with it when you need wigglytuff to counter it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 01:35:39 No.31184869 Report

Quoted By:

>>31184639
>Zekrom deserves a suspect test in OU
I dont know why you would ever think that, even before ET. Its already a good mon in Ubers, and that mammoth attack/bulk, along with great typing is too much for OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 01:49:53 No.31185092 Report

Quoted By: >>31185712

>>31184639
everything in ubers except maybe M-Kanga 110% deserves to be there and Kanga won't be suspected for a few months at least. They will suspect it though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:09:31 No.31185468 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182769
If it got icicle crash or maybe even ice punch, it would be ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:18:35 No.31185614 Report

Quoted By: >>31190735

>>31181429
>Alchemy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:25:37 No.31185712 Report

Quoted By: >>31185839

>>31185092
Parental Bond was nerfed, but it can still use 200 HP Seismic Tosses, 2HKOing the vast majority of the tier. It's still too much for OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:30:53 No.31185781 Report

Quoted By: >>31185844 >>31185896 >>31186597 >>31186616

>Mewtwo is now a shitmon

I want to go back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:34:40 No.31185839 Report

Quoted By: >>31185953

>>31185712
Probably. But of all of the things in ubers, M-Kanga is probably the least potentially disruptive to OU. It's actually balanced in BSS now. Even most of the shittiest box legends in ubers are meta destroyers, Kyu-B is just a freak occurrence that could easily move up to ubers if it gets something new from move tutors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:34:55 No.31185844 Report

Quoted By: >>31185921

>>31185781
are you ready for Mewtwo in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:38:54 No.31185896 Report

Quoted By:

>>31185781
>B- rank in ubers is a shitmon
The power creep hasn't gona THAT far bud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:39:23 No.31185905 Report

Quoted By: >>31185965

>>31181058
What the fuck, how is Mewtwo in B-? It was in B+ in ORAS. Also what makes Giratina bad, I thought its bulk was good in Ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:40:38 No.31185921 Report

Quoted By:

>>31185844
Low ubers viability is not an indication that something should be eligible for use in OU. Even dogshit ubers like Deoxys-D are retarded in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:40:41 No.31185923 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181495

>Now

Mega Gengar was always S tier in Ubers. Singlehandedly fucking stall in its ass, as well as effectively removing one pokemon from the game depending on your team comp is and always will be an invaluable asset until Shadow Tag gets nerfed into the ground (which is never because ST isnn't a huge deal in doubles)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:42:22 No.31185953 Report

Quoted By:

>>31185839
The thing is it's probably balanced in BSS because PuP isn't legal there. Smogon allows transfer moves so it's totally possible that M-Kang will still be overwhelming for OU. Is like to see a retest though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:42:50 No.31185965 Report

Quoted By:

>>31185905
Lunala happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:43:32 No.31185975 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181930

Darkrai still has hypnosis and still butfucks half of OU effortlessly even without Sleep Abuse so no.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:47:21 No.31186030 Report

Quoted By: >>31186482 >>31186529 >>31186591

>>31181058
>ZEKROM
>After Gaydeer and faries in general
>After Primal Groudon and Ground/Fairy cores
>After Mega Mence
>After Mega Gengar
>After mother fucking Perfect Zygarde
>STILL B RANK
FUCK YEAH
U
C
K

Y
E
A
H

B2 was the first game I played after quitting the franchise for a bit around Johto or so. I've been trying to find my bearings in competitive ever since and Zekrom has been an instant fave ever since. To see it still kicking ass after all these years brings a manly tear to my eye. Definitely gonna try to exploit whatever niche he's found this gen.

Sorry for blogging, I'm just so fuggin psyched

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:47:46 No.31186034 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182010

It's one of the very few Pokemon that got a 100% ban supermajority during it's suspect test. It's absolute cancer in OU and will be, forever, unless they either remove Serene Grace from its ability, or introduce an ability that acts like Inner Focus+Clear Body and give it to an absolute fuckton of steels, fires, electrics and whatnot so never

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:48:48 No.31186045 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182126

Doesn't have Icicle Crash/Ice Hammer

either one of those moves alone would easily push it into Ubers, because that means it wouldn't be forced to go mixed anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:52:05 No.31186093 Report

Quoted By: >>31186624 >>31188336

Man, Solgaleo really got screwed on its ability. How the fuck did GF think that "clear body clone vs multiscale clone" was perfectly balanced?

They could have at least made it so Sunsteel Strike/Moongeist Beam ignored the Mold Breaker immunity on them, but nooooo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:15:21 No.31186482 Report

Quoted By: >>31186686

>>31186030
It's B because it is literally the only good physical electric attacker in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:17:50 No.31186529 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186030

Having a good physical electric stab does wonders, especially considering that Electric is a good offensive typing.

but seriously, Fusion Bolt as a Movetutor when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:22:01 No.31186591 Report

Quoted By: >>31187552

>>31186030
>still B rank despite its rather shit movepool
Why the fuck do the gen 5 box legends have such bad movepools anyway? Kyurem not getting Icicle Crash or Ice Punch is absolutely retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:22:12 No.31186597 Report

Quoted By:

>>31185781
That concerns me greatly, and even its Mega Stone doesn't fix it.
>yfw Mega Alakazam has better relevant stats than Mega Mewtwo Y

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:23:50 No.31186616 Report

Quoted By:

>>31185781
Maybe all of you >i-it's the strongest pokemon retards can kill yourselves finally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:24:12 No.31186624 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186093
Oh well atleast he looks great

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:27:29 No.31186686 Report

Quoted By: >>31186778 >>31186808 >>31189411 >>31190570

>>31186482
It still baffles me how there aren't any good physical electrics besides Zekrom. Electivire, Luxray, and AGolem are all massive failures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:31:27 No.31186751 Report

Quoted By:

>>31183924
Deoxys is a late game cleaner/revenge killer
Mewtwo is a sweeper

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:32:33 No.31186778 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186686
Don't forget Topu Keko. It's still good, but it was designed as a physical attacker, and it sucks as one. It doesn't even get Play Rough, the only physical Fairy move

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:34:21 No.31186808 Report

Quoted By: >>31186890 >>31191416

>>31186686
It's because Zekrom has the only good physical electric attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:35:57 No.31186834 Report

Quoted By: >>31186953

>>31183915
Pre-ORAS Ubers had so much Xerneas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:39:31 No.31186890 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186808
Galvanize Return is actually really good, it's just that Golem itself sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:43:51 No.31186953 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186834
XY Ubers was perfection. It was gen-5 but with Xerneas, Yveltal, Mega Mom, Gengar, and Aegislash (and some guest appearances by mega Scizor and )

ORAS fucked it all up with Groudon and to a lesser extent Salamence. Groudon on every team just isn't as fun as terminating Xerneas checks before bringing out your Xerneas. My theory why is because Xerneas can only properly Geomancy once so it it's really powerful but not particularly versatile (non power-herb sets were pretty bad...) Groudon just does everything too well so it's not all that fun to be centralized around because unlike Xerneas, which needs a few conditions met, Groudon can just pop out and murder shit out of nowhere if you predict a wrong switch, and it's so bulky (Xerneas bulk was decent but not amazing) and hits so hard it's kinda hard to stop even without any boosts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:46:06 No.31186984 Report

Quoted By: >>31187051 >>31187072 >>31187225 >>31187237

>B-
>Mewtwo

It's not fucking fair, bros. Mewtwo is supposed to be the strongest Pokemon. I've been a loyal Mewtwo fan my whole life, when he didn't get into Brawl I cried and broke my disk. When he got into Smash 4 I thought things were going to get better. How could GameFreak do this to us and to Mewtwo? I don't know what to do, I'm shaking with impotent rage. I feel like thashing about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:50:05 No.31187051 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186984
There will be a point in the future where Mewtwo will eventually reach D rank due to the evergrowing success of the franchise, leading to more stronger Ubermons and the powercreep that comes with it. Be ready, anon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:51:02 No.31187072 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186984

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 04:00:01 No.31187225 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186984
Fucking kek, I agree though. The good thing is that Mewtwo is the third biggest genwun Gary Stu, so we can expect GF to significantly buff it within the next generations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 04:00:51 No.31187237 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186984
I kind of blame Gamefreak for not truly updating old Pokemon the way they should. Newer Pokemon get fancy abilities that define them (though some are now just reskinned versions of common abilities) and moves that actually have effects. Mega Mewtwo was supposed to fix this, but they messed that up too. 140 Speed? Cut 20 Defence and give 150 Attack? Really Gamefreak? It also cannot OHKO things either unlike most of the other legends out there. The fact a 680 BST Pokemon with a Mega still cannot stand up to the rest is really telling. Until they actually fix some of these problems I doubt Mewtwo will ever be able to contend with the newer stronger Pokemon that keep coming out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 04:15:53 No.31187552 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186591
They honestly have to get rid of that charge turn on its signature moves. I think Gamefreak just has a hate boner for Ice mons honestly now that I look at it. It would be even cooler if the Mold Breaker clones added a hidden STAB option for Fusion Flare/Fusion Bolt for Kyurem, much like what Steelworker does. But they won't do that because Kyurem's an Ice type, so they have to stop him from becoming too broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 04:59:37 No.31188336 Report

Quoted By: >>31189221 >>31189581 >>31191829

>>31186093
EVERYTHING Sun got fucked.
Box legend is worse.
Exclusive UBs are worse.
Monkey is worse in the format the monkeys were both made for.
...dragons are a wash, really
Only things it has going for it over moon is A-Vulpix and the one level place in Cancer Place.
Fuck, moon even has better colors for clothes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 05:57:36 No.31189221 Report

Quoted By:

>>31188336
Passimian is only shit because there is nothing with a decent ability to pass to it legal in VGC this year. Same reason power of alchemy muk sucks ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:10:06 No.31189411 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186686
>AGolem
Kill button with Galvanize+Choice Band+Explosion
So it has that going for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:12:09 No.31189446 Report

Quoted By: >>31189585

>>31181835
giratina-o given it functions similarly to a mega at 580 bst.

>>31181880
>basically a mediocre special Weavile with no knock off.
instead it just has boltbeam, disable, wisp, focus blast and a usable off stat. it has knock off as well. :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:13:41 No.31189466 Report

Quoted By:

>>31182769
>I was going to say Lunala because personally I felt it's two 4x weaknesses to pretty common typings was pretty bad but I guess he's good enough to be A-.
and you're a retard if you thought that, congrats on being a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:21:37 No.31189581 Report

Quoted By: >>31190410

>>31188336
>...dragons are a wash, really
drampa is so so much better than turtonator it isn't fucking funny. Drampa is actually tearing VGC a new asshole right now even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:21:56 No.31189585 Report

Quoted By: >>31189645

>>31189446
Actually, gira-o had an April Fool's joke suspect test a few years back and it was more cancerous than Aegislash. He basically became the P-don of OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:22:12 No.31189588 Report

Quoted By: >>31189624

>Darkrai so low
JUST LET HIM OUT OF UBERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:24:35 No.31189624 Report

Quoted By: >>31189739

>>31189588
fuck no

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:26:44 No.31189645 Report

Quoted By:

>>31189585
exactly, that was a subtle way of saying "none of them"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:32:06 No.31189717 Report

Quoted By: >>31189838 >>31189857 >>31190071

So where would Marshadow be ranked?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:33:32 No.31189739 Report

Quoted By:

>>31189624
He got literally neutered by the dark void nerf, and the fact he needs focus blast for coverage makes him an ultimate gambling machine.
>bug used leech life
It's a luck-dependent glass cannon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:40:20 No.31189838 Report

Quoted By:

>>31189717
Marshadow would be BL at best desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:42:14 No.31189857 Report

Quoted By:

>>31189717
C something.
On one hand, it shits on lunala, arceus and giratina.
On the other its slower than mega gar and incredibly easy to wall.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 06:57:29 No.31190071 Report

Quoted By: >>31190167

>>31189717
Really makes one think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 07:05:56 No.31190167 Report

Quoted By: >>31190223

>>31190071
Was this with or without death orb?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 07:10:18 No.31190223 Report

Quoted By:

>>31190167
with of course, but it could conceivably go band or scarf too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 07:14:35 No.31190277 Report

Quoted By: >>31190420

>>31181058
Why is Ho-Oh so high up? I love it but Idk why.

I don't play comp so I'm curious

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 07:28:02 No.31190410 Report

Quoted By:

>>31189581
So another thing Sun got fucked over in.
Even the thing I thought was equal was bad for Sun. Holy fuck.
Why did it end up so fucking lopsided?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 07:29:07 No.31190420 Report

Quoted By: >>31190426

>>31190277
Regenerator, unwallable STABs except for Rockceus, bulk that pretty much prevents much from threatening an ohko, and the relative ease rocks can be removed in ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 07:30:17 No.31190426 Report

Quoted By:

>>31190420
Oh shit I forgot it gets Regenerator in DR. Yeah now I see it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 07:42:38 No.31190546 Report

Quoted By:

>>31181058
>B-but muh Psychic/Ghost type will make Lunala OU at best.
Anyway, what happened to Yveltal? It was low Uber but not much changed for it right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 07:45:10 No.31190570 Report

Quoted By:

>>31186686
>Tfw zebstrika is so shit it doesn't even get remembered
>Tfw it was on my team on my first bw run

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 07:50:30 No.31190619 Report

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>>31183286
>mobile
Well theres yer problem nigga

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 07:58:59 No.31190735 Report

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>>31185614
>When an allied Pokémon faints in battle, a Pokémon with Power of Alchemy as its Ability will gain the fainted Pokémon's Ability in place of its own.

Please think before you speak

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 09:36:34 No.31191416 Report

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>>31186808
>what is pikachu

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 09:38:05 No.31191425 Report

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>darkrai in B rank
HAHAHAHAH

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 09:56:51 No.31191520 Report

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>>31191416
>Volt Tackle
>Good
You should have said Sonichu

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 10:47:44 No.31191829 Report

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>>31188336
Moon does not have better colors, pink and beige are the GOAT my dude you can slap that shit onto anything and it looks good!

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