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What matters more when it comes to damage output, /vp/?

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 02:59:57 No.31186217 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31186229 >>31186239 >>31186263 >>31186280 >>31186410 >>31186464 >>31186899 >>31187226

The mon's offensive stat or the move's base power?

She doesn't really give a fuck because she has both, but what about the other shitters in this game?

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:01:03 No.31186229 Report

Quoted By: >>31186267

>>31186217
offensive stat

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:01:40 No.31186239 Report

Quoted By: >>31186267

>>31186217
base power

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:03:07 No.31186263 Report

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>>31186217
Both

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:03:26 No.31186267 Report

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>>31186229
>>31186239
Thanks guys

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:04:00 No.31186280 Report

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>>31186217

They're multiplied by each other as part of the damage calculation, so mathematically speaking, neither is more important than the other.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:11:44 No.31186410 Report

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>>31186217
The flaw with your question is that there's no way to compare the value of Base Power vs Attacking stat.

1 point of Special Attack isn't equal to 1 point of Base Power

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:14:21 No.31186464 Report

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>>31186217
I don't think this proves anything, but I ran a test.
Notice that the difference between Zekrom's attack and sp. attack is equal to the difference in BP in the two sets of moves.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:40:11 No.31186899 Report

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>>31186217
It depends, but BP can make a huge difference. For instance, Electivire actually did more damage with the old 95 BP Thunderbolt instead of Thunder Punch assuming equal special and physical bulk despite having nearly 30 more BST in physical Attack.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 03:52:45 No.31187103 Report

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>>31186464
Zekrom's attack is ~22% higher than its SpA on your screenshot while Frenzy Plant has 25% more power than Double-Edge.
Since % difference in moves' BP is higher than in Zekrom's stats, Frenzy Plant hits harder than Double-Edge.

Try giving Zekrom 36 EVs (345 attack would be 25% higher than 276 SpA) and see what happens to percentages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 04:00:16 No.31187226 Report

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>>31186217
There's no clean cut answer. The scaling isn't proportional.
For reference, a 60 power move with a 50 base stat is equivalent to a 50 power move with a 69 base stat.
However, a 120 power move with a base stat of 50 is equivalent to a 110 power move with a base stat of 59.

In general a relatively weak mon can overcome it's weakness with high BP moves (see: Talonflame), while a strong mon with low BP moves tends to struggle (see: Kartana). I'd say movepool generally has the edge when it comes to deciding shitmons.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Jan 2017 04:01:49 No.31187255 Report

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>>31187103
Ok, I see.

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