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What Water-types wouldn't mind giving up their HA for this fucker's Ability?

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 05:56:50 No.31206972 View View Reply Original Report

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>Free Fire resist
>Free Burn immunity
>100% boost to Water-type moves

>all in one Ability

Go

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 05:59:11 No.31206990 Report

Quoted By: >>31207048 >>31209873

>>31206972
Lumineon comes to mind

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 05:59:21 No.31206992 Report

Quoted By: >>31207014

Any Pokemon with a good Water-type attack would want this ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:00:35 No.31207010 Report

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Anything with a decent water attack wishes they could have this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:00:42 No.31207012 Report

Quoted By: >>31207036 >>31207047

>>31206972
I think they should give it and waterfall to scizor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:01:06 No.31207014 Report

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>>31206992

Over their own. Azumarill wouldn't give up Huge Power for this, would it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:01:47 No.31207023 Report

Quoted By: >>31207085

>>31206972
>Goliospod gains this as their HA
>Instant Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:02:58 No.31207036 Report

Quoted By: >>31207102

>>31207012
Scizor, Gliscor, Crustle, and Guzzlord should get Crabhammer tbqh
>>31207014
Huge/Pure Power are probably among the few abilities that are on par/greater than Water Bubble.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:03:08 No.31207037 Report

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>>31207014
obviously not faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:03:32 No.31207045 Report

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>>31206972
Smogon has a meta called Almost Any Ability, and it's exactly what it sounds like

does anyone know if Water Bubble is banned from it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:03:38 No.31207047 Report

Quoted By: >>31207102

>>31207012
>loses technician bullet punch
I dunno anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:03:39 No.31207048 Report

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>>31206990
lumenion never comes to my mind

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:04:41 No.31207055 Report

Quoted By: >>31207101

>>31206972
Well, going off the ability's name and how that's supposed to be justification for the benefits, the only one that comes to mind is maybe Azumarill >>31207014 or the Popplio line.

but they could just do the 'same ability, different name' thing and give it to whatever they want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:05:16 No.31207075 Report

Quoted By: >>31207105

>>31207045
You can literally go on the forums and check the banlist right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:06:03 No.31207085 Report

Quoted By: >>31207105

>>31207023
>can't be burned
>Aqua Jets are fucking disgusting
>no forced retreat

somebody take me here and now

>>31207045

if it isn't yet, it will be soon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:06:11 No.31207088 Report

Quoted By: >>31210167

>>31206972

It's only balanced because Araquanid is so shitty otherwise.

Give to to any decent Water-type, and it becomes broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:06:11 No.31207089 Report

Quoted By: >>31207105 >>31207121 >>31207434

>>31207045
shit I just looked it up

Water Bubble is banned and so is Comatose

rip the dream

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:06:59 No.31207100 Report

Quoted By: >>31207326

>>31207014
Wouldn't water bubbule belly drum aqua jet be better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:07:01 No.31207101 Report

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>>31207055
Azumarill would rather keep Huge Power. A water attack will hit as hard either way, but it would lose its offensive power for any other type, all for resisting a type it already resists even more and having a burn immunity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:07:02 No.31207102 Report

Quoted By: >>31207135 >>31207136

>>31207036
>Crabhammer
Fuck yes.
I didn't even think of that- but yes, yes they should.

>>31207047
>loses technician bullet punch
>gains no weaknesses
>can't be burnt
I'd take it, anon.
Certainly his role would change a bit, but I'd take this change in a heartbeat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:07:13 No.31207105 Report

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>>31207075
>>31207085

>>31207089
dang

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:07:49 No.31207113 Report

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>>31206972
Fucking all of them pretty much, it's an absurd ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:08:12 No.31207121 Report

Quoted By: >>31207160

>>31207089
play Balanced Hackmons then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:09:18 No.31207135 Report

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>>31207102
Scizor has a 2x weakness to fire, Water Bubbles halves the damage of Fire Attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:09:24 No.31207136 Report

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>>31207102
Technically it's still 2x weak to Fire, but not having to worry about HP-Fire is a huge improvement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:11:34 No.31207160 Report

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>>31207121
252+ SpA Choice Specs Water Bubble Kyogre-Primal Water Spout in Rain (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 720-848 (102.2 - 120.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:12:46 No.31207172 Report

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>>31207160
dear god

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:14:40 No.31207196 Report

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>>31207160
jesus fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:18:08 No.31207237 Report

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>>31207160
Jesus Christ what the fuck

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:20:39 No.31207268 Report

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>>31207160

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:21:21 No.31207279 Report

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Palkia, Gyarados, Kingdra, Barbaracle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:22:39 No.31207293 Report

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>>31207160
>Chansey's Dry Skin activated!
New meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:23:51 No.31207307 Report

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>>31207160
>Primal Kyogre
>Choice Specs

>Water Bubble
>in Rain

what did he mean by this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:25:06 No.31207319 Report

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Sounds like an ability that would fit Pri,arina since he's all about making bubbles

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:25:17 No.31207321 Report

Quoted By: >>31207337

>>31207307

Rain Dance set up from another mon, duh.

Plus, the Calc is simply there to show the sheer power of the move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:25:42 No.31207326 Report

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>>31207100
Yeah but then it loses its monstrous Play Rough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:25:44 No.31207328 Report

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>>31207307
he meant holy fuck why is the fat bitch so bulky ban this shit already

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:25:57 No.31207334 Report

Quoted By: >>31207581

>>31207307
New Format:
REALLY Anything goes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:26:16 No.31207337 Report

Quoted By: >>31207344 >>31207366

>>31207321
Its ability creates Rain, Anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:26:54 No.31207344 Report

Quoted By: >>31207357

>>31207337
not if it has Water Bubble

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:27:10 No.31207349 Report

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Mega Slowbro

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:27:11 No.31207351 Report

Quoted By: >>31207373 >>31207382 >>31207388 >>31207407 >>31207419

>Araquanid learns Encapsulate, a status move that changes it's target's ability to Water Bubble
How much usage does it see in doubles as a result?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:27:28 No.31207357 Report

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>>31207344
oh shit you're right

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:27:30 No.31207358 Report

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>>31206972
He got entrainment for a reason.

More than that though what non-water types would love this ability? Anything with water coverage and a fire weakness instantly becomes a wrecking ball

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:27:58 No.31207364 Report

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252+ SpA Choice Specs Water Bubble Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Palkia: 164-192 (42.7 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:28:01 No.31207366 Report

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>>31207337
I don't think you know what Hackmons is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:28:32 No.31207373 Report

Quoted By: >>31207388 >>31207407 >>31207450

>>31207351
You mean entrainment?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:28:48 No.31207377 Report

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>>31207307
In Balanced Hackmons, iirc you can just have primals and megas without the stone. So, Choice Specs Primal Kyogre is possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:29:06 No.31207382 Report

Quoted By: >>31207407 >>31207450

>>31207351
Is this the same as entrainment?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:29:35 No.31207388 Report

Quoted By: >>31207407

>>31207351
>>31207373

I hope Entrainment becomes a tutor move in the next games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:29:35 No.31207389 Report

Quoted By: >>31207510 >>31208502

I think Golisopod would be OP with Water Bubble instead of its shitty ability it has right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:30:49 No.31207407 Report

Quoted By: >>31207450

>>31207351
>>31207373
>>31207382
>>31207388
but it already gets entrainment

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:31:52 No.31207419 Report

Quoted By: >>31207450

>>31207351
You mean entrainment and I've used it to some success in doubles. Pair it with Peliper so you get instant Rain and then switch to Oranguru for Instructed Surfs shenanigans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:32:48 No.31207434 Report

Quoted By: >>31207449 >>31207509 >>31208227

>>31207089
>comatose
>banned

I'm not a comp fag, why is it banned? Is immunity to status 2stronk?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:33:08 No.31207438 Report

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>>31206972
Primal kyogre

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:33:41 No.31207449 Report

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252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Groudon-Primal V-create in Sun vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 389-458 (61.1 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>31207434
Probably the Sleep Talk + Roar combo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:33:43 No.31207450 Report

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>>31207373
>>31207382
>>31207407
>>31207419
Not him but I think the idea would be a Simple Beam/Worry Seed clone

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:34:07 No.31207456 Report

Quoted By: >>31207492 >>31207500 >>31210033

I bet you forgot about Floatzel

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:36:05 No.31207492 Report

Quoted By: >>31207553

>>31207456
>tfw i wish i could ALWAYS forget about floatzel

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:36:30 No.31207500 Report

Quoted By: >>31207553 >>31208490

>>31207456
Everyone did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:36:55 No.31207506 Report

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Swanoert

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:37:05 No.31207509 Report

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>>31207434
>is immunity to status 2stronk
duh

Imagine giving any wall Comatose
You can see why it would be banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:37:08 No.31207510 Report

Quoted By: >>31207525

>>31207389
>252+ Atk Water Bubble Golisopod Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 168-200 (50.2 - 59.8%) -- 85.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252+ Atk Water Bubble Golisopod Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 100-118 (28.4 - 33.5%) -- 92.3% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252+ Atk Water Bubble Golisopod Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tapu Fini: 96-114 (27.9 - 33.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Golisopod would do just fine. OU guaranteed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:38:14 No.31207525 Report

Quoted By: >>31207533 >>31207534

>>31207510

Showdown Calculator doesn't factor in the Water Bubble boost yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:39:18 No.31207533 Report

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>>31207525
Hang on.
Are you suggesting that >>31207160 is only HALF of the actual output?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:39:29 No.31207534 Report

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>>31207525

They recently fixed it. it now accounts for Water Bubble.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:39:32 No.31207536 Report

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Quick question. Does anyone have a link to a good custom HG?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:40:37 No.31207553 Report

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>>31207500
>>31207492

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:42:34 No.31207581 Report

Quoted By: >>31210264

>>31207334
>Wonder Guard Air Balloon Electric and Poison/Dark types

>Shadow Tag Funbro

>Scarf No Guard 1HKO moves

>Extreme Evoboost anything

>Minimize

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 06:47:40 No.31207645 Report

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Honestly, this would probably make me use Gyarados for something other than Intimidate spam inn terms of ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 07:08:03 No.31207860 Report

Quoted By: >>31207942 >>31207952

Just going gen 7?

>Primarina, who has the shittiest Ability of gen 7
>Golisopod, who's Ability can be obstructive
>Pyukumuku, who just can't do shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 07:11:57 No.31207904 Report

Quoted By: >>31208350

Is it really that nuts compared to adaptability

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 07:15:08 No.31207942 Report

Quoted By: >>31207988

>>31207860
>giving water bubble to a pokemon that can't learn attacking moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 07:15:34 No.31207952 Report

Quoted By: >>31207988

>>31207860
Good idea, give Pyukumuku Water Bubble to boost all of it's water attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 07:18:09 No.31207988 Report

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>>31207942
>>31207952
Yeah, should have mentioned that you'd have to change how Pyukumuku works in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 07:37:46 No.31208227 Report

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>>31207434
Scarf Sleep Talk Whirlwind

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 07:47:55 No.31208350 Report

Quoted By: >>31211940

>>31207904
Adaptability doubles the STAB, it's effectively a 33.3% increase in power.
Water Bubble doubles the BP of any water move, and then it applies the STAB.

Adaptability Crabhammer
100BP > STAB > 200BP
Water Bubble Crabhammer
100BP > Bubble > 200BP > STAB > 300 BP

Not to mention the other added bonuses of Water Bubble, such as fire resist and burn immunity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 07:52:13 No.31208397 Report

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>>31206972
I think Blastoise would benefit from it *way* more than it does from fucking Rain Dish. Blastoise is already built tanky, so resistance to burn and extra fire protection is nice, but the 100% boost to a hydro pump could make it hit like a ridiculous motherfucker on top of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 07:55:11 No.31208433 Report

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>Water Bubble Slaking/Regigigas/Archeops

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 07:56:02 No.31208447 Report

Quoted By: >>31212055

>>31206972
Mega masquerain
It work as a third stab
And make it not weak to fire or burn

And make sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 07:59:20 No.31208490 Report

Quoted By: >>31208510 >>31208722 >>31210108 >>31210215

>>31207500
To be fair most of gen 4's Pokemon are completely forgettable shitters.

Who the fuck actually remembers shit like Lumineon? If SM hadn't shoved it in your face every time you Surfed you would've never remembered that fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 08:00:58 No.31208502 Report

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>>31207389
Emergency Exit ruined Golisopod for me. I was hoping to make it a mainstay member of my team, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 08:01:25 No.31208510 Report

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>>31208490
t. Starmie

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 08:20:24 No.31208722 Report

Quoted By: >>31210108

>>31208490
Is there a more cucked pokemon then lumineon? It has the whole butterflyfish theme going for it and it drops it half way. It doesn't even get quiver dance. Luvdisc even looks more like a butterflyfish, and game freak acknowledges it by putting it in all of the tropical reef scenes instead of lumineon. It can't even eat a full starmie in a game where all of the predatory pokemon decimate their prey in the dex entries. It's like they went out of their way to make lumineon pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 08:55:34 No.31209137 Report

Quoted By: >>31209767

>>31206972
Shit like this makes me question Game Freak and then we got crap like Zen Mode and Defeatist running around

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 10:18:55 No.31209767 Report

Quoted By: >>31209996

>>31209137
>when you realize Power Construct is Zen Mode done right

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 10:33:46 No.31209873 Report

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>>31206990
>>31207048

The fucker needs Quiver Dance first before getting anything else.

Anyways, theme-wise, Azumarill would be logical but Thick Fat already exists.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 10:53:54 No.31209996 Report

Quoted By: >>31210051 >>31210082

>>31209767
Nope

power construct is shit, it is the Comp forms huge ass bulk that makes it good, power construct doesnt do anything except restrict it

comp form is even indexed as a seperate pokemon but is locked behind shit construct

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:01:29 No.31210033 Report

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>>31207456
>GF actually removed it entirely from the battle tree after being in all battle tower clones since its introduction.

Buff the damn thing already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:04:01 No.31210051 Report

Quoted By: >>31210074

>>31209996
>power construct is shit
you make it sound like zen mode is good
but its still basically a better version of Zen mode

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:06:13 No.31210067 Report

Quoted By: >>31212560

>>31206972
Seaking would probably love it the most over water veil to be honest.

Either that or Nice Horse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:07:23 No.31210074 Report

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>>31210051
Power Construct is the same, the only difference is that Zen mode Darmanian's alt form does not have a bigger HP stat so it doesn't recover HP at all, unlike Zygarde who's Comp form got a naturally higher HP stat. It is not part of the ability, but is triggered by the form itself.

Among 2 turds, it is power construct that shines a little more compared to zen mode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:08:06 No.31210082 Report

Quoted By: >>31210123

>>31206972
Thematically it'd go to Azumarill, Vaporeon (Bubble Jet pokemon), Greninja (prevos) or Primarina. half think this was Primarina's original ability and they realised how fucking retarded that would be.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Water Bubble Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 296-350 (46.1 - 54.5%) -- 56.3% chance to 2HKO
Look at this shit. And yes the showdown calc does water bubble properly now.

>>31209996
You're looking at it wrong, it's an ass powerful buff to regular zygarde, so much so it goes B- rank in ubers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:08:41 No.31210088 Report

Quoted By: >>31210102

>Wishiwashi has Schooling
>gets Defeatist as well

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:10:41 No.31210102 Report

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>>31210088
It literally gets no ability after getting knocked down til its last 25% remaining health lol rip

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:12:07 No.31210108 Report

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>>31208490
>>31208722
lumineon is memorable for the sake of being so forgettable. it comes out actually among the most memorable forgettable mons, if that makes any sense.
for me I'll never forget it because when I played randoms in gen V it was a monster thanks to swift swim and rain dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:15:25 No.31210123 Report

Quoted By: >>31210143

>>31210082
Still not the buff anyone wanted

I'm not denying that it is better now, but no one asked for a slightly better zen mode for it

Thousand Arrows is something else though, possibly the best move in the game exclusive to Jigarude-san.

Zygarde got banned to ubers anyways, but if it was a permanent forme changeable by the Cube and kept Aura Break it'd be more solid than unreliable Power Consruct. In most scenarios it will get OHKO'ed by special and sometimes physical ice moves (depending on the opponent) whether it is in its dog or snake form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:18:41 No.31210143 Report

Quoted By: >>31210190

>>31210123
>slightly
Even without thousand arrows that shit is ass broke. You have to consider it like this, would you rather run an aura break zygarde or power construct one?
how about Darmanitan.

Power construct while still not as good as it could be (permanent) is at least not a net fucking negative to the base form like zen mode is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:21:03 No.31210154 Report

Quoted By: >>31210164

what's the better starting form for zygarde? snake or doggo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:21:56 No.31210164 Report

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>>31210154
snake in 90% of cases, dog can do sub stall a little better though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:22:14 No.31210167 Report

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>>31207088
Can confirm. I give it to Gyarados with Entrainment. Nothing lives after a Dragon Dance. Literally nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:26:36 No.31210190 Report

Quoted By: >>31210207

>>31210143
I'm running power construct but only because the comp form is accessible via that ability, otherwise I'd never even want to use it, especially if it was a design or Pokemon I did not like.

If power construct did not exist and we got a Z or Zygarde properly implemented in SM which is rushed at best, it'd most likely keep Aura Break or something else similar to Mega Fug and Zygarde wouldn't been this zen mode mess and would be in ubers as a S rank definitely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:29:42 No.31210207 Report

Quoted By: >>31210241

>>31210190
you just don't get it do you.
>if
>should have
We're dealing with what is.

Would you run zen mode darmitan seriously? Would you run PC zygarde seriously? One of these is hindered by the form change, one is buffed out the ass by it. it is, how would one put this, zen mode but done right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:30:17 No.31210215 Report

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>>31208490
>Who the fuck actually remembers shit like Lumineon?

I do. But just because Lumineon has my favourite cry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCzpejlyhDg

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:34:34 No.31210241 Report

Quoted By: >>31210257

>>31210207
>Y-you are n-not allowed to speak theoretically

Stereotypical smogonfag, you just don't get it do you cunt? kys

Bet you suck game freak and masudas dick dry every damn time they release their gimmicks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:37:04 No.31210257 Report

Quoted By: >>31211101 >>31211110

>>31210241
>it doesn't work how I want it that means its unfinished!
kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 11:38:25 No.31210264 Report

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>>31207581
>>Shadow Tag Funbro
It has Block for a reason

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 13:57:13 No.31211101 Report

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>>31210257
I fucked ur dad stfu pussy

>smogonfag = kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 13:58:51 No.31211110 Report

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>>31210257
fwaaa fwaaaa cwy and cwy moar u shithead little shit kys get cancer and btfo'ed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 15:27:08 No.31211871 Report

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>>31206972
Blastoise. Make him even more tanky than ever before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 15:29:16 No.31211889 Report

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>>31206972
Feraligatr
Swampert
And all physicall water

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 15:33:05 No.31211928 Report

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>>31207048
Damn you

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 15:34:54 No.31211940 Report

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>>31208350
Thanks for clearing that up

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 15:46:09 No.31212055 Report

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>>31208447
>And make sense
Literally how, I see no water bubbles on that thing.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 16:22:29 No.31212357 Report

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So I was reading about Water VEIL and noticed that if Water Veil got passed to a burned Pokemon, that Pokemon would be cured of burn.

Does the same work for Water Bubble?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 16:42:34 No.31212560 Report

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>>31210067
>Water Bubble Keldeo
Absolutely not. I refuse.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Jan 2017 17:23:06 No.31212958 Report

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>>31206972
Definitely Whiscash

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