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Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:34:33 No.31354981 View View Reply Original Report

What went wrong

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Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:35:17 No.31354990 Report

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>>31354981
still no mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:35:30 No.31354995 Report

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Mono typing and/or awful movesets

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:35:58 No.31355001 Report

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>>31354981
Not enough Meganium porn

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Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:36:00 No.31355003 Report

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Literally nothing

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Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:37:26 No.31355026 Report

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Nothing. They may not be that great as far as competitive viability goes (though Sheer Force Gatr is actually pretty good), but they easily have the best designs of any group of starters

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Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:37:41 No.31355030 Report

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>>31354981
feraligatr is a bro, but what a mess that fireboi is

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Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:37:49 No.31355033 Report

Quoted By: >>31355534 >>31359603

>>31354981
_He still doesn't have a mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:39:00 No.31355049 Report

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>>31354981
Meganium excels at nothing.

Typhlosion doesn't really either. Scarf Eruption isn't nearly good enough for OU and it doesn't have anything else.

Feraligator isn't too shabby. Not prominent OU threat level but it was serviceable last gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:40:32 No.31355068 Report

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>>31355026
>they easily have the best designs of any group of starters
>Just gets bigger + permanent monotypes
Not even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:40:34 No.31355070 Report

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>>31354981

>No megas

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:42:04 No.31355097 Report

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>>31354981
If Typlosion got rock and Feraligatr got dark this would be one of the best starter trios

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:44:23 No.31355138 Report

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>>31354981
>Johto

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:49:28 No.31355207 Report

Quoted By: >>31355386 >>31358689

>>31354981
>Meganium
There have got to be at least 50 other bulky/support grass types that are better at meganium's job
>Typhlosion
lolnomoves
>Feraligatr
9/10. Would be 10/10 if it were water/dark

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:55:22 No.31355300 Report

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>>31354981
>All monotypes.
>Rearranged gen 1 starter stats
>Bland and uninspired designs.
>There is a objectively superior starter.Typhlosion is better than the others in G/S/C and Feraligatr is better than the others in HGSS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:57:40 No.31355334 Report

Quoted By: >>31355386

>>31354981
>Feraligatr
It's fine. Maybe give it Dark Type for STAB Crunch, but otherwise, Sheer Force + good movepool + Dragon Dance puts him well ahead of most starters.
>Typhlosion
Physical/Special split screwed him by taking away his strong Thunder Punch. HA is boring, 100 speed isn't good enough anymore, and his only niche is Eruption. He desperately needs Earth Power.
>Meganium
DEFENSIVE. PURE. GRASS. Nuff said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 22:59:03 No.31355356 Report

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>>31354981
>meganium is literally PU
I shit you not

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:01:17 No.31355386 Report

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>>31355207
>>31355334
This.Defensive pokemon are crappy for in-game.They take more damage and make battles slower(in GSC you need to grind a lot).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:02:13 No.31355398 Report

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>>31355356
Incredible, it's not like there is 100+ other pokemon in PU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:02:21 No.31355401 Report

Quoted By: >>31355501 >>31355508 >>31358333 >>31358342

The Gen 2 starters are the blandest. They're just real life things with a different color and one or two things stacked on them. No, really:
>meganium is just a green dinosaur with a giant flower and antennae
>typhlosion is just a yellow human with some fire and pointed ears
>feraligatr is just a blue alligator with tall, pointy scales
All the starters can be their own monsters apart of the real thing, and if they were real they could be their own animals. But the Gen 2 starters are so much bland. Charizard is just an orange dragon with some fire but that's ok since dragons aren't real.
Their stats and movepools are shit too, maaaaybe Feraligatr has a decent-ish movepool but even then that's stretching it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:02:38 No.31355404 Report

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>>31355300
>all monotypes.
Ain't nothing wrong with mono types.
Gen 2 starters are best examples of monotypes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:05:46 No.31355467 Report

Quoted By: >>31355797 >>31358588

No megas.

Grass/Fairy Meganium
Water/Dragon Feraligatr
Fire/??? Typhlosion

I'm dumping and not creative enough for Typhlosion

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:07:00 No.31355491 Report

Quoted By: >>31358932 >>31359887 >>31359941 >>31359999

I'm highjacking this thread

Pitch your megas for these guys
Stats, abilities, types go for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:07:30 No.31355497 Report

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>>31355404
More STAB moves = Better anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:07:41 No.31355501 Report

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>>31355401
>Typhlosion is a human
Stopped reading there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:08:09 No.31355508 Report

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>>31355401
>typhlosion is just a yellow human
Have you ever seen a human ? Typhlosion is a badger

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:08:46 No.31355520 Report

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>>31354981
Typing and movesets. I fucking love Feraligatr and he's not really terrible but he fucking NEEDS some second typing to get through bulky Waters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:09:34 No.31355534 Report

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>>31355033
>He

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:11:59 No.31355565 Report

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>>31354981
Nothing, still my fav region and Fergie is still my main man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:15:58 No.31355627 Report

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>>31355404
Dual Stab is better for offense.And in-game is all about offence.

And mono Grass is one of the worst defensive types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:27:24 No.31355797 Report

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>>31355467
Fire / Ground or Fire / Rock ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:35:23 No.31355917 Report

Quoted By: >>31356267

All these people wanting Feraligatr to be Water/Dark. Why can't you go and enjoy Crawduant or Sharpedo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:35:25 No.31355918 Report

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>>31354981

Power creep combined with the fact that these guys are old as shit and little has been done to help them keep up, though Feraligatr's not done too badly for itself. Gens IV and V really helped it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:49:02 No.31356119 Report

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>>31355398
>starter is PU trash material
Utterly pathetic

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:55:13 No.31356212 Report

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>>31354981
Ugly designs, mono-type, atrocious movesets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:58:27 No.31356267 Report

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>>31355917
Because people have no fucking imagination. We already have a lot of Water/Dark types and Mega fucking Gyarados being Water/Dark. Give Feraligatr something that makes it different from the others, not the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Jan 2017 23:58:38 No.31356270 Report

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>>31354981
Typhlosion and Meganium are probably the worst starters we ever got.
Feraligatr is ok.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 01:17:45 No.31357399 Report

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>>31355049

Eruption Typhlosion is a meme. It's really not good. Team preview let's your opponent know from a mile away what you're planning, it gets wrecked by priority and gets wrecked by literally all the entry hazards. When it gets below like 75%HP it's just a (rather shitty) mono fire type. Furthermore, its speed is good but not great, and so is its special attack. So with Scarf you lose the firepower it desperately needs and with Specs you lose the ability to outspeed key threats.

It's just a bit of a pisser

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 01:19:16 No.31357428 Report

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>>31354981

Design wise, I'd say they're almost too plain. some pokemon have too much going on, but these three feel like they have too little going on. (probably down to how few details the old sprites had desu)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 01:50:34 No.31358001 Report

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>>31356267
water/fighting

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Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 01:59:00 No.31358162 Report

Quoted By: >>31358357 >>31358365

>>31354981

>Meganium

Fucking Garbage, it has no competitive uses and has a terrible design compared with chikorita

>Typloshion

deserved dark type but instead we got shit moveset

>Feraligatr

deserved iron type, got decent moveset but by other things he is legendary (garbage)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:05:48 No.31358255 Report

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>>31354981
Design-wise: nothing
Competitive-wise: everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:07:16 No.31358287 Report

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>>31354981
Most boring starters by far

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:08:38 No.31358308 Report

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>>31354990
This
>>31355001
And this, meganium has to be my favorite starter/pokemon. All of it goes to bayleef because of ash meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:09:29 No.31358318 Report

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>>31354981
Meganium
>boring and shit
Typhlosion
>No enough evolution going on
Feraligatr
>Shoulda kept the theme of cave man

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:10:31 No.31358333 Report

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>>31355401
Are you like 17

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Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:11:10 No.31358342 Report

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>>31355401
>Typhlosion
>human

Its a badger you fucking mongoloid

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:12:09 No.31358357 Report

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>>31358162
>autism

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Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:12:50 No.31358365 Report

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>>31358162
>it has no competitive uses
Yeah, 16 years later.

>deserved dark type
>slap dark type on everything meme

>Feraligatr
You're not even trying anymore, are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:25:41 No.31358531 Report

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>>31355097
Why are you neglecting Meganium?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:30:54 No.31358588 Report

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>>31355467
Fire/Ground to fit with Eruption and give an excuse for it to learn Earth Power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:36:12 No.31358689 Report

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>>31355207
What moves would make Typhlo great?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:38:19 No.31358738 Report

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>>31354981
Typhlosion is literally just Charizard with less coverage, Meganium has almost negative offence, a serious case of 4 MSS, and Johto was set up against it (Chuck's Poliwrath, and Will's Slowbro are literally the only two notable pokemon in the entire game up to Kanto that Meganium has an advantage against, while Johto is fucking crawling with antigrass pokemon. See: Your rival's team.)
Gatr fucking sucked until gen 4, when the split blessed it, then won the lottery with HAs.

It' a shame, since I like the group so much. Meganium and Gatr in particular.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:40:49 No.31358787 Report

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>>31356119
Not only that, it's even outclassed by nfe grass types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:41:43 No.31358800 Report

Quoted By: >>31359922

>>31355001
OP said wrong, not right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:49:12 No.31358932 Report

Quoted By: >>31359075

>>31355491
Meganium
Grass/Fairy
Ability: Regenerator
+30 to Def, Spdef, and Speed. +5 to Attack and Special Attack.

Typhlosion:
Fire
Ability: Adaptability
+40 SpA, +30 Speed, +10 to each of Attack, Defence, and Special Defence.

Feraligatr
Water/Dragon
Ability: Strong Jaw
+30 Attack, Defence, and Special Defence, +10 Speed.
I considered Water/Dark, but that made this seem very Mega Sharpedo-but-worse like. Maybe Gatr appreciates Stab more than solid defensive typing, but I dunno.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 02:56:51 No.31359075 Report

Quoted By: >>31359324

>>31358932
Strong Jaw is a meme. Give it Tough Claws, Feraligatr only has Ice Fang and Crunch for Strong Jaw and they're not even that great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 03:09:31 No.31359324 Report

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>>31359075
Water/Dragon Tough Claws it is, then. I actually thought of this as well, but again, was worried I might be making another Mega-Zard X.
I guess Tough Claws is more on-par with Regenerator and Adaptability anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 03:26:00 No.31359603 Report

Quoted By: >>31359892

>>31355033
>He

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 03:44:51 No.31359887 Report

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>>31355491

Ferla
+70 atk +40spd
ability shed skin

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 03:45:08 No.31359892 Report

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>>31359603
>has

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 03:47:12 No.31359922 Report

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>>31358800
>implying
There's a decent amount, but there is much more bayleef shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 03:49:14 No.31359941 Report

Quoted By: >>31360008

>>31355491
Mega Feraligatr
Water/Dragon
Pure Force- Sheer Force but with a stronger boost, maybe like 40-50% or something I don't fucking know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 03:53:46 No.31359999 Report

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>>31355491
Mega Feraligatr
Water/Poison
Toxicate - Turns normal-type moves into poison-type moves and gives them a 20% boost
>+30 attack, 15 def, 10 spatk, 15 spdef, +30 speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 03:53:59 No.31360008 Report

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>>31359941
Make it sheer force + the boost life orb gives since megas don't get items.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 05:15:34 No.31360932 Report

Quoted By: >>31361119

>>31354981
>Meganium
Not enough bulk to be a wall. Pitiful offences with shallow move pool. Got a terrible hidden ability. How I'd improve it is with a mega. Plus 30 to both defenses. Plus 20 Special Attack. Plus 10 speed. Gains a new ability called Floral Protection which automatically summons Safeguard. Gets Grass/Fairy typing. Gets access to Taunt, Wish, Moon blast and calm mind.
>Typhlosion
Not enough power and speed to make use of its niche with eruption. Lacking move pool. Mega to Fix. +40 speed and +30 Spa. +20 Def and +20Attack. Gets Fire/Ground typing. Gets access to earth power and scald. New ability called Boiling point which acts like a special Moxie
>Feraligatr
Good move pool and ability over shadowed by Gyarados. +40 to attack and speed. -20 to special attack and +20 to both defenses. Water/Dark typing. Retains sheer force. Gains access to liquidation and Gunk shot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 05:23:14 No.31361056 Report

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Meganium's HA is Leaf Guard

Literally worse than Overgrow

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 05:27:08 No.31361119 Report

Quoted By: >>31361194

>>31360932
>overshadowed by Gyarados
>still make it Dark-type

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Anonymous Fri 13 Jan 2017 05:31:57 No.31361194 Report

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>>31361119
I know that but it was the only one that really fit and I gave it Gunk Shot to be the better option to use against fairies like Lele and Fini as well as hitting harder with sheer force crunch and liquidation.

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