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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 03:41:52 No.31402359 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31402416 >>31402585 >>31403937

How many more generations of power creep will there be in the Ubers tier until we get a Semi-Ubers tier featuring pic related, Blaziken, lesser used Arceus forms such as Arceus-Bug, etc. ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 03:48:10 No.31402416 Report

Quoted By: >>31402494 >>31402724

>>31402359
Throw the genies, Tapu and UBs in there too, I'm just tired of looking at them.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 03:56:03 No.31402494 Report

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>>31402416
>it's an OU battle episode
>opponent's team consists of 2 tapus, 1 UB, ash greninja, a mega and landorus-t

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 03:57:32 No.31402505 Report

Quoted By: >>31402724 >>31402818

Why isn't there one already? There's a bunch of Pokemon in Ubers that are too good for OU but shit at Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 04:04:24 No.31402585 Report

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>>31402359
At this pointt? It will happen naturally by gen 9 unless we get another Mega Rayquaza-level threat. By then Ubers will be big enough to have its own Ubers OU, UU, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 04:21:47 No.31402724 Report

Quoted By: >>31402754 >>31403903 >>31403937

>>31402416
>>31402505
I couldn't find Smogon staistics, but here's Pokémon Online's Ubers below the 3.41% cutoff:
# 46 - Arceus-Ghost (3.01 %)
# 47 - Dialga (3.01 %)
# 59 - Arceus-Steel (2.16 %)
# 61 - Genesect (1.71 %)
# 70 - Blaziken (1.36 %)
# 74 - Shaymin-Sky (1.33 %)
# 100 - Palkia (0.70 %)
# 107 - Zekrom (0.60 %)

I checked up to around 300, though I'm not sure what all is actually Uber. Hoopa-Unbound and Magearna are also below the cutoff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 04:23:19 No.31402741 Report

Quoted By: >>31402769

GF has been more open to buffing old shit so hopefully power creep becomes much less of an issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 04:24:06 No.31402754 Report

Quoted By: >>31402978

>>31402724
Smogon stats are here
http://www.smogon.com/stats/2016-12/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 04:25:42 No.31402764 Report

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probably two.
possibly one.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 04:26:22 No.31402769 Report

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>>31402741
>10 increase to defence
Qwilfish sent straight to Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 04:30:46 No.31402818 Report

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>>31402505
I remember they tried that in very late Gen IV with Deoxys-S and it just completely wrecked the metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 04:47:24 No.31402978 Report

Quoted By: >>31402989 >>31403903

>>31402754
Thanks, here's as many as I could find in the Pokébank Ubers list.
| 3.290% | 13606 | 3.219% |
| 39 | Deoxys-Speed | 3.28140% | 21346 | 3.281% | 18968 | 4.488% |
| 40 | Kyurem-White | 3.21760% | 20931 | 3.218% | 12555 | 2.970% |
| 45 | Zekrom | 2.80992% | 18279 | 2.810% | 11171 | 2.643% |
| 48 | Arceus-Ghost | 2.73045% | 17762 | 2.730% | 11013 | 2.606% |
| 51 | Shaymin-Sky | 2.56443% | 16682 | 2.564% | 10348 | 2.448% |
| 61 | Palkia | 2.23561% | 14543 | 2.236% | 8987 | 2.126% |
| 62 | Arceus-Ground | 2.20056% | 14315 | 2.201% | 10353 | 2.449% |
| 66 | Arceus-Fairy | 2.00764% | 13060 | 2.008% | 9228 | 2.183% |
| 82 | Deoxys-Defense | 1.44900% | 9426 | 1.449% | 6747 | 1.596% |
| 86 | Arceus-Dark | 1.43701% | 9348 | 1.437% | 6539 | 1.547% |
| 101 | Reshiram | 1.32403% | 8613 | 1.324% | 5185 | 1.227% |
1/2

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 04:48:27 No.31402989 Report

Quoted By: >>31403055

>>31402978
| 104 | Genesect | 1.30911% | 8516 | 1.309% | 6022 | 1.425% |
| 105 | Arceus-Steel | 1.30051% | 8460 | 1.301% | 5468 | 1.294% |
| 156 | Arceus-Dragon | 0.75202% | 4892 | 0.752% | 3178 | 0.752% |
| 165 | Arceus-Poison | 0.69991% | 4553 | 0.700% | 2781 | 0.658% |
| 177 | Groudon | 0.63534% | 4133 | 0.635% | 2931 | 0.693% |
| 179 | Arceus-Rock | 0.60921% | 3963 | 0.609% | 2588 | 0.612% |
| 199 | Arceus-Electric | 0.49315% | 3208 | 0.493% | 1933 | 0.457% |
| 238 | Arceus-Fire | 0.28608% | 1861 | 0.286% | 1164 | 0.275% |
| 256 | Arceus-Grass | 0.25856% | 1682 | 0.259% | 1088 | 0.257% |
| 334 | Arceus-Flying | 0.14896% | 969 | 0.149% | 654 | 0.155% |
| 335 | Arceus-Fighting | 0.14819% | 964 | 0.148% | 609 | 0.144% |
| 346 | Arceus-Psychic | 0.13266% | 863 | 0.133% | 508 | 0.120% |
| 426 | Arceus-Bug | 0.07855% | 511 | 0.079% | 307 | 0.073% |

I believe that's all of them. Weirder than I'd initially imagine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 04:52:44 No.31403055 Report

Quoted By: >>31403109

>>31402989
Well, why use Groudon when you can use Primal Groudon? Same with the Arceus forms - you can only have one Arceus, why use the bad ones if you're using it at all?
I'm guessing regular Kyogre has some sort of niche that Primal doesn't (likely involving items) which is why it's not as low (fuck if I know what it is though, or why Groudon doesn't have similar)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 04:57:49 No.31403109 Report

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>>31403055
Actually, it seems like I just missed Giratina and Kyogre, they're:
| 72 | Giratina | 1.74877% | 11376 | 1.749% | 7273 | 1.721% |
| 73 | Kyogre | 1.74584% | 11357 | 1.746% | 7453 | 1.763% |

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 05:01:10 No.31403153 Report

Quoted By: >>31403204

| 39 | Deoxys-Speed | 3.28140% | 21346 | 3.281% | 18968 | 4.488% |
| 40 | Kyurem-White | 3.21760% | 20931 | 3.218% | 12555 | 2.970% |
| 45 | Zekrom | 2.80992% | 18279 | 2.810% | 11171 | 2.643% |
| 48 | Arceus-Ghost | 2.73045% | 17762 | 2.730% | 11013 | 2.606% |
| 51 | Shaymin-Sky | 2.56443% | 16682 | 2.564% | 10348 | 2.448% |
| 61 | Palkia | 2.23561% | 14543 | 2.236% | 8987 | 2.126% |
| 62 | Arceus-Ground | 2.20056% | 14315 | 2.201% | 10353 | 2.449% |
| 66 | Arceus-Fairy | 2.00764% | 13060 | 2.008% | 9228 | 2.183% |
| 72 | Giratina | 1.74877% | 11376 | 1.749% | 7273 | 1.721% |
| 73 | Kyogre | 1.74584% | 11357 | 1.746% | 7453 | 1.763% |
| 82 | Deoxys-Defense | 1.44900% | 9426 | 1.449% | 6747 | 1.596% |
| 86 | Arceus-Dark | 1.43701% | 9348 | 1.437% | 6539 | 1.547% |
| 101 | Reshiram | 1.32403% | 8613 | 1.324% | 5185 | 1.227% |
| 104 | Genesect | 1.30911% | 8516 | 1.309% | 6022 | 1.425% |
| 105 | Arceus-Steel | 1.30051% | 8460 | 1.301% | 5468 | 1.294% |
| 156 | Arceus-Dragon | 0.75202% | 4892 | 0.752% | 3178 | 0.752% |
| 165 | Arceus-Poison | 0.69991% | 4553 | 0.700% | 2781 | 0.658% |
| 177 | Groudon | 0.63534% | 4133 | 0.635% | 2931 | 0.693% |
| 179 | Arceus-Rock | 0.60921% | 3963 | 0.609% | 2588 | 0.612% |
| 199 | Arceus-Electric | 0.49315% | 3208 | 0.493% | 1933 | 0.457% |
| 238 | Arceus-Fire | 0.28608% | 1861 | 0.286% | 1164 | 0.275% |
| 256 | Arceus-Grass | 0.25856% | 1682 | 0.259% | 1088 | 0.257% |
| 334 | Arceus-Flying | 0.14896% | 969 | 0.149% | 654 | 0.155% |
| 335 | Arceus-Fighting | 0.14819% | 964 | 0.148% | 609 | 0.144% |
| 346 | Arceus-Psychic | 0.13266% | 863 | 0.133% | 508 | 0.120% |
| 426 | Arceus-Bug | 0.07855% | 511 | 0.079% | 307 | 0.073% |

Fixed list

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 05:07:25 No.31403204 Report

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>>31403153
Missed Deoxys-N
| 252 | Deoxys | 0.26072% | 1696 | 0.261% | 1187 | 0.281% |

I'm not good at this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 06:19:27 No.31403903 Report

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>>31402724
>>31402978
>A-Ghost
That shit is way too good to be that low. I guess the competition from Arceus' other forms is that high

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 06:22:05 No.31403937 Report

Quoted By: >>31403975

>>31402359

Wouldn't this be borderline -1 or something?

>>31402724

I thought ghost and steel were some of the best arceus. Otherwise, poor genesect, I just want to seriously use it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2017 06:25:55 No.31403975 Report

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>>31403937
'Banlist OU'

Not good enough for uber, too good for OU.

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