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>>31509711
Fini is downright the best hazard remover for Volc. Latias was basically Tyranitar bait and once TTar removed it if they set up rocks Volc was way less effective (Not to mention still weak to TTar). Fini's misty terrain also helps a ton and she can also half the hp of literally anything that switches in allowing Volc to easily kill it after a boost.

>Should I have a pebbles setter?
Ideally you will be keeping pebbles off the field as much as you can but once you remove their pebbles setter then you can set up your own. I personally use Ferrothorn since it punishes physical water types which are one of Volc's biggest weaknesses and punishes opposing Finis from removing them or taunting you but at the same time it's a free switch for Zards which is something you want to avoid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 11:32:41 No.31509801 Report

Quoted By: >>31509821 >>31509849

>>31509774
Thanks.
I'll replace Latias with Fini then
Now my team consists of Volcarona, Fini, M-Gyarados, Celesteela, Xurkitree and Garchomp (with a stealth rock set).
Would it be beneficial to replace Chomp with Ferrothorn then? Should I also swap out one of my team members with Dugtrio?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 11:35:54 No.31509821 Report

Quoted By: >>31509823

>>31509801
Garchomp can punish some physical water types (Somewhat) so I think he's just fine, just be careful with Azumarill. Also Duggy's main boon is the guaranteed removal of Chansey (And Heatran if you don't have HP Ground on Volc) but the rest of your team seems to handle them just fine.
Your team looks good, mate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 11:36:50 No.31509823 Report

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>>31509821
Cool, thanks again anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 11:42:08 No.31509849 Report

Quoted By: >>31509858

>>31509801
whats M dos set?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 11:44:38 No.31509858 Report

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>>31509849
Gyarados-Mega @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Crunch
- Taunt
- Dragon Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 16:20:50 No.31511596 Report

Quoted By: >>31511797

>>31509560
Does Sableye-mega work instead of having a defogger in order to bounce back hazards?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 16:49:34 No.31511797 Report

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>>31511596
It's better to have an active way of removing hazards, MSableye can only do so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 16:56:19 No.31511846 Report

Quoted By: >>31511921

>>31511797
The problem with defog is that it removes hazards on your side as well, so what use is there to have a hazard setter + a defogger? Going back and forth to set hazards, then defog, then set hazards again looks like it would be a waste of momentum.
Sorry if that's a stupid question

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 17:03:55 No.31511921 Report

Quoted By: >>31511933 >>31512340

>>31511846
Try playing around it. It's not absolutely necessary to have hazards on your opponent's field when Volca Ronald arrives. Especially if his mons already took some chip damage. What's important is to not have rocks on your side of the field when Volcarona comes in to set up.
A lot of the time your opponent will defog before you do anyway. Hazards don't have to stay for the whole game.
Use a spinner if you want but most spinners are not that good this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 17:05:07 No.31511933 Report

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>>31511921
Isn't Top Mole still around?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 17:06:05 No.31511948 Report

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>>31509221
I'm hoping to use it in my double battle dancing team.
Not sure if I should go for heat wave or firey dance so oricorio can copy that in addition to quiver.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 17:38:38 No.31512270 Report

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>>31511933
Oh right it's still here. It could have good synergy with Ttar too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 17:45:49 No.31512340 Report

Quoted By: >>31512359 >>31512381

>>31511921
>most spinners are not that good this gen.
Starmie and Tentacruel aren't good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 17:48:22 No.31512359 Report

Quoted By: >>31512410

>>31512340
Starmie will never be good as long as Greninja is allowed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 17:50:47 No.31512381 Report

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>>31512340
Starmie gets shat on by Greninja and Tentacruel is barely viable in UU.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 17:53:38 No.31512410 Report

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>>31512359
What about dhelmise? Reasonable bulk and even a spin blocker as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 17:54:46 No.31512420 Report

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>>31512410
Not terrible, but not phenomenal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 18:09:34 No.31512550 Report

Quoted By: >>31512853 >>31512894 >>31512914

Is this a decent core?
Aside from a defogger, what else do I need?

Volcarona @ Petaya Berry
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Fiery Dance
- Hidden Power [Ground]

Tangrowth @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Earthquake
- Knock Off

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 30 Spe
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- U-turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 18:43:26 No.31512853 Report

Quoted By: >>31513005

>>31512550
Those 3 and Fini should be pretty good. Maybe get yourself a flying resist, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 18:47:04 No.31512894 Report

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>>31512550
All Tangrowth is going to do in OU is lose offensive momentum. Run Breloom, or Amoongus for spore. Or just use choice band tapu bulu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 18:48:59 No.31512914 Report

Quoted By: >>31512936

>>31512550
>30 speed

For what purpose?

MamaLuigi

MamaLuigi Tue 24 Jan 2017 18:49:10 No.31512916 Report

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laxkip for bodying physical attacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 18:51:20 No.31512936 Report

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>>31512914
Slower U-Turns against other Landorus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 18:53:17 No.31512964 Report

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>>31512936
Most Landorous run 64 speed evs to outspeed defensive tapu fini

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 18:57:19 No.31513005 Report

Quoted By: >>31513027 >>31513031 >>31513052

>>31512853
Would it be too risky to also add in Dugtrio since I'd get fucked by Ice?
>>31512894
I thought it was a good way to deal with physical water types
Breloom and Amoongus don't have the same purpose, do they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 18:59:01 No.31513027 Report

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>>31513005
Tapu Bulu is the more viable than Tangrowth in OU. Too many things get free switch-ins to tangrowth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 18:59:11 No.31513031 Report

Quoted By: >>31513047

>>31513005
Both Volcarona and Fini resist ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 19:00:53 No.31513047 Report

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>>31513031
So Dugtrio as a last team member is fine?
I don't see what else I could add anyway
>>31513027
Ok. Using two tapus kinda triggers my autism but whatever

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 19:01:36 No.31513052 Report

Quoted By: >>31513059

What this anon said
>>31513005
But there aren't very many ice pokemon in OU. Volcarona can take Un-STAB'd ice beams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 19:02:13 No.31513059 Report

Quoted By: >>31513112

>>31513052
Protean Greninja is pretty common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 19:07:55 No.31513112 Report

Quoted By: >>31513543

>>31513059
That's the only STAB ice beam in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jan 2017 19:50:55 No.31513543 Report

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>>31513112
Some other stuff can do a lot of damage though, like HP ice Xurkitree

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