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Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:09:55 No.31603222 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31603262 >>31603315 >>31603324 >>31603386 >>31604437

now that the dust has settled, is it actually good or just a meme?

Is it actually viable? does it actually compete with protean?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:12:43 No.31603262 Report

Quoted By: >>31603289 >>31603299

>>31603222
nice trips.

and yes it's viable and good as fuck, Protean is actually considered higher only becaue Ash-Greninja scares the shit out of people and protean can check it's Ash-Greninja checks

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:15:23 No.31603289 Report

Quoted By: >>31603313

>>31603262
Until move tutors gives Ash-greninja gunk shot that is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:16:25 No.31603299 Report

Quoted By: >>31603324

>>31603262
This. Plus there's that whole guessing game over whether a Greninja is Protean or Battle Bond before it makes it's first move.

Fucks with your head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:17:38 No.31603313 Report

Quoted By: >>31603323 >>31603324 >>31603325

>>31603289

Pokebank is out, so Gunk Shot Greninja is legal now.

They're not really comparable anyway. Protean Greninja and Ash-Greninja have different playstyles.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:17:57 No.31603315 Report

Quoted By: >>31603369

>>31603222
STOP MAKING THIS THREAD EVERY FUCKING DAY YOU FUCKING FROGPOSTER
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:18:33 No.31603323 Report

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>>31603313
he means gunk shot on Ashninja you illiterate bastard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:18:34 No.31603324 Report

Quoted By: >>31603350

>>31603299
Either you replied to yourself or you're >>31603222 this guy

>>31603313
Gunk shot Ash-greninja isn't legal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:19:00 No.31603325 Report

Quoted By: >>31603458 >>31603478

>>31603313
Yes they are. The one that's more useful is better. Playstyle are irrelevant in that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:21:24 No.31603350 Report

Quoted By: >>31603400

>>31603324
Nope different anon from the other anon and OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:21:51 No.31603352 Report

Quoted By: >>31603384

Ash-Greninja hits harder with STAB moves, Protean Greninja hits harder with everything else.

This is the only Ash-Greninja set you should ever run:

Water Shuriken
Hydro Pump
Dark Pulse
U-turn

@ Choice Specs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:23:06 No.31603369 Report

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>>31603315
now that the dust has settled, is it actually good or just a meme?

Is it actually viable? does it actually compete with wojak?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:24:25 No.31603384 Report

Quoted By: >>31603439

>>31603352
extrasensory lets you hit Grass/Poisons that otherwise wall you desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:24:29 No.31603386 Report

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>>31603222
It's so good that makes protean gren better bc ppl overprepare for ash-gren

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:25:37 No.31603400 Report

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>>31603350
>three posters
>one of them was me

Next time use another IP when samefagging

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:25:52 No.31603403 Report

Quoted By: >>31603428 >>31603468

I run Surf instead of Hydro Pump.

Bad idea?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:28:28 No.31603428 Report

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>>31603403
What are you scared of missing you little bitch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:29:27 No.31603439 Report

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>>31603384

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Extrasensory vs. 248 HP / 144 SpD Venusaur-Mega: 224-264 (61.7 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Extrasensory vs. 248 HP / 92 SpD Amoonguss: 318-376 (73.7 - 87.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 144 SpD Venusaur-Mega: 168-198 (46.2 - 54.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 92 SpD Amoonguss: 238-282 (55.2 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

Dark Pulse is just as effective.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:31:02 No.31603458 Report

Quoted By: >>31603507

>>31603325
they are different in roles and checks/counters.

untill two days ago they were also at same fucking rank. People should really stop shitting at Ash-Greninja because of that stupid burastu meme. it's legit good as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:31:48 No.31603468 Report

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>>31603403
If you actually did the calcs and your team has you covered, no. If you are simply being a pussy, yes.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:32:41 No.31603478 Report

Quoted By: >>31603507

>>31603325
>the one that's more useful is better
>playstyle is irrelevent
Do you realize how retarded that is to say that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:35:05 No.31603507 Report

Quoted By: >>31603635 >>31604626

>>31603458
>>31603478
Different roles doesn't mean their usefulness can't be compared. There is nothing that can replace Protean Ninja's role, and it's versatility is a lot more useful than a simple set up sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 21:45:02 No.31603635 Report

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>>31603507
>simple

Ash-Greninja is not only a nightmare cleaner for offense. it's also a wallbreaker. it can threat balance too.
it's not good against stall because it's needing that one kill, but if it can get in on something like quagsire/Sableye, it can start to pressure it too. while protean isn't good against stall and kill himself with suicide orb

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 22:59:28 No.31604437 Report

Quoted By: >>31604649

>>31603222
It makes both forms better because a team that doesn't have a way of dealing with Jobfrog is likely going to lose to it, and most of the mons that deal with it (Tapu Fini) lose to Protean.

Then it shreds offense teams harder than Protean does and does better against stall too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 23:11:57 No.31604626 Report

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>>31603507
Hold up fambino, let me chuck this Quagsire on my HO.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 23:13:55 No.31604649 Report

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>>31604437
>jobfrog
choke, anon. Choke. he choked at the league.

>tfw he sometime chokes again by missing hydro pump
>tfw lost one time because he missed hydro pump against Zard-X in the rain
>got DORAGON CROW

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 23:49:29 No.31605025 Report

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Lets say Mega Beedril, Mega Lopuny, and Mega Manectric are back

Would Ash-Greninja stay A+ threat?

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