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Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 23:53:19 No.31605070 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31605112 >>31605143 >>31605157

Can any pokemon become OU with a couple of tweaks like Pelipper and Mantine?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 23:56:49 No.31605102 Report

Quoted By: >>31605508

Some pokemon need more than a couple of tweaks. Massive shitmons like Spinda, the majority of first route bugs, Carnivine, etc need a lot of shit to become even remotely viable

Honestly, just changing the game so speed isn't so important would make a lot more pokemon viable

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jan 2017 23:57:47 No.31605112 Report

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>>31605070
>Pichu used Nuzzle!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:00:37 No.31605143 Report

Quoted By: >>31605188

>>31605070
>Smogon
Impossible as long as Stealth Rock exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:01:36 No.31605157 Report

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>>31605070
+10 speed Hydra

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:03:51 No.31605188 Report

Quoted By: >>31605496 >>31605611

>>31605143
Yet Charizard, Volcarona, and Ho-oh are some of the best Pokemon competitively. Fuck off with this bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:04:22 No.31605190 Report

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Everything has 120 attack/special attack/speed and movepools on par of Lucario, greninja, and garchomp

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:09:33 No.31605250 Report

Quoted By: >>31605354 >>31605434 >>31605486 >>31605545 >>31605962

I can't help but feel its Smogon page is uncharacteristically optimistic

>60HP/100Def is "huge" defensive bulk
>Four commonly learned moves is tons of utility
>It's slow but hey I guess there's an upside
>With investment it can avoid being 2HKOd by neutral, non-STAB special hits

Not that it's really awful, but I've used it and there are a ton of BL and UU Pokémon with analyses that constantly describe them as utter shit which I've found far more reliable than Pelipper

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:17:41 No.31605354 Report

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>>31605250
It's because the only metagame they really care about is OU.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:21:51 No.31605434 Report

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>>31605250

I'll defend the low speed. Slow U-turn/Volt switch is actually very useful. You don't want frail but powerful pokemon having to take a hit to come in.

I use a forretress with volt switch even though volt switch on that thing does zero damage, it lets team mates avoid the hit

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:25:56 No.31605486 Report

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>>31605250
The only thing there that sounds overly optimistic is "huge defensive bulk".
It's good bulk but I wouldn't call it huge.
The rest of that is fine, and slow Uturn is a good thing.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:26:15 No.31605496 Report

Quoted By: >>31605601 >>31607821

>>31605188
Putting charizard in there almost devalues the rest of the argument, because he is skimming ou barely, only really zard x matters and barely

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:27:14 No.31605508 Report

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>>31605102
How would you even do that without making it an RNG fuckfest?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:30:14 No.31605545 Report

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>>31605250

Being slow is good for U-turn/Volt Switch users for the reasons stated

Pelipper itself is not a great mon, but it's great because of the support it provides with U-turn and its rain

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:32:03 No.31605566 Report

Quoted By: >>31605630

Have the Speed difference between two mons be calculated,and add half of it to the slower mon's defence stats.60 Speed difference gives +30 to Def and Sp.Def for example.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:33:48 No.31605593 Report

Quoted By: >>31605672

Is pelliper really that much better that politoed wasn't able to make it into OU?

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:34:16 No.31605601 Report

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>>31605496
>Zard X has 7.9% usage
>barely skimming OU

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:34:48 No.31605611 Report

Quoted By: >>31605919 >>31605976 >>31606087

>>31605188
They would be pretty broken thanks to gamefreaks incompetence/favoritism. 1 mon with 2 specialized megas with top abilities, one of the best boosting moves on a bug with actual stats and a legendary with one of the best abilities in the game instead of something like every other legend with pressure. Add burn-immunity, type with the second most resistances and good movepool...
But 2 wrongs doesn't make a right. SR keeps them in check, but every bird, bug, ice and outclassed fire-type becomes unviable.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:36:12 No.31605630 Report

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>>31605566
>Stall becomes completely unstoppable

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:39:16 No.31605672 Report

Quoted By: >>31605967

>>31605593
Politoad was trash last gen too due to no more perma weather.

Pelipper is a good mon with slow turns, recovery, while also setting rain, Politoad was only good because it set rain.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 00:56:27 No.31605919 Report

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>>31605611
There's still a handful of bug, fire, and flying-types in OU alone. And plenty of Pokemon that are still usable in the tier despite not having high enough usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 01:00:01 No.31605962 Report

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>>31605250
It's pretty good bulk when you consider it has reliable recovery

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 01:00:17 No.31605967 Report

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>>31605672

and Perish Song niche

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 01:01:03 No.31605976 Report

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>>31605611
I remember a few years back there was a test ladder where SR was banned and literally none of the bug or ice shitmons became more prevalent. IRC the only pokemon that became more viable was moltres. Also stall became much stronger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 01:09:52 No.31606087 Report

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>>31605611
>They would be pretty broken thanks to gamefreaks incompetence/favoritism.
Their checks wouldn't be damaged by Stealth Rock.

Stealth Rock turns 3HKOs into 2HKOs. It's more potent offensively than defensively, a Charizard doesn't cares if it's at 100% or 75% health since it'll be the one striking first.

Whick leads us to idiocy such as Choice Scarf Pheromosa. When defense is unviable (without full teams of defensive pokemon, aka stall), the only other option is "faster and stronger".

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 03:02:54 No.31607573 Report

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Of course, although some may need more tweaks than others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 03:10:45 No.31607658 Report

Quoted By: >>31607907

>>31605508

You'd have to abandon turn-based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 03:24:06 No.31607821 Report

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>>31605496
>only really zard x matters and barely
1100 elo spotted

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 03:30:28 No.31607907 Report

Quoted By: >>31607971

>>31607658
>pokemon becomes atb-based, with speed dictating how fast the meter recharges
Yes please

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 03:36:16 No.31607971 Report

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>>31607907
>Faster pokemon now also get more turns
How is this not making them even stronger?

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