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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 18:41:41 No.31614419 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31614428 >>31614442 >>31614448 >>31614473 >>31614603

>Z-Move on Protect
>OHKO
>people will defend this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 18:43:03 No.31614428 Report

Quoted By: >>31614583

>>31614419
G I T G U D

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 18:44:10 No.31614442 Report

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>>31614419
You deserve it for saving pictures of shitnaught on your computer.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 18:44:34 No.31614448 Report

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>>31614419
>z-moves ruined my toxic seed stall strats
cry harder

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 18:45:31 No.31614462 Report

Quoted By: >>31614508 >>31614583 >>31614604

lol i used le meme shield so now your held item is useless
why doesn't protect block mega evolution, wtf nice game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 18:47:07 No.31614473 Report

Quoted By: >>31614484

>>31614419
This isn't calvinball, you shouldn't get an everything-proof shield that has the highest priority and make it available to every pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 18:48:33 No.31614484 Report

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>>31614473
Leave that shit to a gimmick like burmy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 18:48:46 No.31614486 Report

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Substitute blocks Z moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 18:51:39 No.31614508 Report

Quoted By: >>31614939

>>31614462
There should actually be a counter to mega evolution
Every other held item either has a counter or is just plain "meh".
>if eviolite gets knocked off you're left with those shit-ass NFE stats
>choice items force you into one move
>assault vest forces you into attacking moves
>life orb drains your health
>citrus berry/leftovers/rocky helmet are all just underwhelming compared to the previously mentioned
>Z-moves can only be used once

>meanwhile mega stones are insanely useful and the only drawbacks are "you can't use it alongside another item" and "you can only use one per team"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:00:19 No.31614583 Report

Quoted By: >>31614599 >>31614610 >>31614621

>>31614462
>why doesn't protect block mega evolution, wtf nice game
Mega Evolution is another dumb, braindead mechanic that should be nerfed.

>>31614428
>Predicted properly
>game doesn't cares and kills you anyway
>git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:02:10 No.31614599 Report

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>>31614583
G I T G Ü D at grammar, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:02:19 No.31614603 Report

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>>31614419
Name one instance where this is possible.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:02:24 No.31614604 Report

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>>31614462
>I should be able to kill you with my Z-move! It's unfair if you see it coming and block it!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:02:43 No.31614610 Report

Quoted By: >>31614659

>>31614583
>Predicted properly

you know z-moves aren't stopped by protect
you know a z-move is coming
you chose to use protect

seems like a tactical error on your part

or else you didn't predict a z-move would be coming and your prediction was off

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:04:21 No.31614621 Report

Quoted By: >>31614659

>>31614583
Z-moves are far more balanced than mega evolution, don't even compare the two you dumb sack of shit.
The proper counter to Z moves is either predicting the type and sending something immune to it, or simply sending out fodder. They can only be used once so if it's wasted on something with 25% HP that'll hurt
Mega evolutions have no such counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:08:39 No.31614659 Report

Quoted By: >>31614674 >>31614675 >>31614725

>>31614603
Most Z-moves on 4x weakness will kill with a crit, some even without.

>>31614610
>seems like a tactical error on your part
What other option you suggest, switching out to let another thing die?

>>31614621
A dumb as mega evolution was, the only rule that it broke was Knock Off.

Have you ever played competitive? It wasn't rare for a mega to get BTFO without doing anything useful.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:10:07 No.31614674 Report

Quoted By: >>31614728

>>31614659
>What other option you suggest, switching out to let another thing die?
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:10:07 No.31614675 Report

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>>31614659
switching out to something that can tank a z-move

its just a more powerful move after all, it doesn't automatically ohko

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:14:34 No.31614725 Report

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>>31614659
>I think he's use a Fire Z-Move on my Ferrothorn, so I'll use protect!
>Not switching out to a Fire resist
You only have yourself to blame, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:14:42 No.31614728 Report

Quoted By: >>31614742

>>31614674
So this is the defense for Z-moves? Well, guess I was right from the start.

>>31614675
Do you people only play on Smogon or something?

Outside of immunities, you aren't tanking anything and in 3v3 or 4v4 you don't have many options.

Can't you people see the strategical degeneracy in these systems (mega and z-moves)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:16:37 No.31614742 Report

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>>31614728
>So this is the defense for Z-moves?
No, the defense is having type coverage to resist offensive types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:16:53 No.31614746 Report

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>>31614442
kys delcuck

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Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:39:42 No.31614939 Report

Quoted By: >>31614989

>>31614508
Maybe limiting the mega slot to 1 per team, that looks like a good idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:45:16 No.31614989 Report

Quoted By: >>31615017

>>31614939
>Maybe limiting the mega slot to 1 per team, that looks like a good idea.
That one slot that will inevitably be filled with Kangaskhan, Gardevoir, Salamence or Charizard Y, making the game even more centralized than before.

Megas did more harm than good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:48:25 No.31615017 Report

Quoted By: >>31615029 >>31615048 >>31615237

>>31614989
Salamence, Gengar and Kangaskhan are OP, they are Uber in smogon, all this said, they aren't better than Groudon or Xerneas.

Gardevoir isn't released in Sun and Moon

Zard Y is A- viability on smogon.

On smogon OU viability rankings only 7 out of 33 pokemon are located from S to A- viability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:49:28 No.31615029 Report

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>>31615017
7 out of 33 mega pokemon*

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 19:51:16 No.31615048 Report

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>>31615017
On smogon OU viability rankings only 7 out of 33pokemon located from S to A- viability are mega pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Jan 2017 20:13:21 No.31615237 Report

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>>31615017
I'm mostly speaking in regards to Game Freak's meta in gen 6.

In gen 7, it's the same thing most teams have Charizard, Salamence, Kangaskhan, Gyarados or Metagross.

Always have a slot reserved for those pokemon was a really bad idea.

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