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SUMO UU Stage 1 - Feels Like We Only Go Backwards

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:34:32 No.31733925 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31733934 >>31734317 >>31734491 >>31734697 >>31734750 >>31734775 >>31734798 >>31735009 >>31735244

Azumarill, Drizzle and Thundurus-I are being sent to BL.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sumo-uu-stage-1-feels-like-we-only-go-backwards.3595341/

Also, they're gonna re-test Victini.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:35:36 No.31733934 Report

Quoted By: >>31733943 >>31733951 >>31733967 >>31734010

>>31733925
In other news, Primarina is now suspect worthy. (suck it primafags)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:36:47 No.31733943 Report

Quoted By: >>31733974 >>31733989 >>31734036

>>31733934
Wouldn't Primarinafags be happy that it's the best starter in gen 7?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:38:25 No.31733951 Report

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>>31733934
I will be happy when the trannyseal is banished to BL hell and never be used competitively for the rest of its disgusting existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:39:45 No.31733967 Report

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>>31733934
Thank fucking god. I'd hate not being able to dominate UU with Primarina the god. I don't want another Staraptor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:40:21 No.31733974 Report

Quoted By: >>31733992

>>31733943
Being BL is objectively worse than being UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:41:31 No.31733987 Report

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>SUMO

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:41:47 No.31733989 Report

Quoted By: >>31734015 >>31734030

>>31733943
Not when in OU you're as viable as Decidueye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:42:03 No.31733992 Report

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>>31733974
Yeah but it won't get banned. The fact that they suspected it only proves that it's good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:43:55 No.31734010 Report

Quoted By: >>31734078

>>31733934
Why is Primarina being suspected? Are UU mons really that fucking bad that they cant handle it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:44:25 No.31734015 Report

Quoted By: >>31734025 >>31734078

>>31733989
That's kinda wrong, let's be real. Primarina is better than most of those 'mons. It should be around C-C+, it even got a bit of usage in SPL. I'm not saying this as a Primarinafag, it doesn't affect me at all, it's just really obvious that, while it is mainly a UU Pokémon, it's better than most (if not all) of those

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:45:43 No.31734025 Report

Quoted By: >>31734044 >>31734078

>>31734015
t. delusional idiot.

Only low elo idiots think that Primarina is anything but C- or below.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:46:20 No.31734030 Report

Quoted By: >>31734058 >>31734486

>>31733989
From what I've seen a lot of people want Primarina to move up but the council wants to focus the discussion on higher ranks for now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:46:57 No.31734036 Report

Quoted By: >>31734643 >>31734733

>>31733943
No, I wouldn't be happy at all since it would mean that I would be forced to play OU if I ever wanted to to use Primarina.

I've already accepted it sadly, since not only is Primarina a vastly improved version of Sylveon with a superior typing and offensive movepool, she also has hardly any counters in UU, she has the ability to switch into pretty much the entire UU tier, and now due to all the bans, nearly all of her checks are gone.

Her getting suspected is inevitable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:47:57 No.31734044 Report

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>>31734025
XD

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:49:47 No.31734058 Report

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>>31734030
Yeah, the first proposal of making her C+ has like 20 upvotes. But it makes sense to think about more powerful Pokémon for now.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:52:09 No.31734078 Report

Quoted By: >>31734096 >>31734227 >>31734242

>>31734010
What do you think anon?

>>31734015
>>31734025
A bunch of people actually wanted the seal to be C+ (see >>31734058). The rankings have been updated twice after it's still hanging there, so...yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:54:04 No.31734096 Report

Quoted By: >>31734115 >>31734118 >>31734185

>>31734078
>The rankings have been updated twice after it's still hanging there, so...yeah.
That shows that the actual high ELO players disagree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:56:01 No.31734115 Report

Quoted By: >>31734486

>>31734096
No. Not really. It just shows that there's more important stuff to discuss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 19:56:21 No.31734118 Report

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>>31734096
How high are we talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 20:02:29 No.31734185 Report

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>>31734096
Maybe's because a lot of people think that Primarina and Tapu Fini do the exact same thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 20:06:21 No.31734227 Report

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>>31734078
Staraptor weeps

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 20:08:08 No.31734242 Report

Quoted By: >>31734298

>>31734078
2bh honest the BL hell meme only applies to Staraptor and Diggersby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 20:13:42 No.31734298 Report

Quoted By: >>31734487

>>31734242
Diggersby is like Azumarill but with Swords Dance and Agility. It was rightfully banned. Not a meme.
The correct answer would be Staraptor and Drizzle, since the first is the real meme and Drizzle is the second meme that only got banned because Kingdra dropped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 20:15:54 No.31734317 Report

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>>31733925
>SUMO
>kyourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 20:35:52 No.31734486 Report

Quoted By: >>31734493

>>31734115
>>31734030

Considering they added Bronzong, Quagsire and Jellicent to C+/C the other day, I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 20:35:59 No.31734487 Report

Quoted By: >>31734625

>>31734298
Diggersby is like Azumarill without a good typing or a move that can maximize its attack in a single turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 20:36:47 No.31734491 Report

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>>31733925
>Azumarill, Drizzle and Thundurus-I are being sent to BL.
This is fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 20:37:19 No.31734493 Report

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>>31734486
We'll see friend. I'm pretty sure that's the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 20:56:41 No.31734625 Report

Quoted By: >>31734643

>>31734487
>good typing
Maybe not defensively, but it's much superior offensively.
And who cares about Belly Drum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 20:58:38 No.31734643 Report

Quoted By: >>31734675 >>31734691 >>31736131

>>31734036
>Not only is Primarina a vastly improved version of Sylveon with a superior typing and offensive movepool, she also has hardly any counters in UU (...) and now due to all the bans, nearly all of her checks are gone.

Dafuq? Does that mean that Blissey and co. can't even wall it? Because I'm pretty sure they still can.

>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 223-264 (31.2 - 36.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Amoonguss: 120-142 (27.8 - 32.9%) -- 88.3% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery

>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 174-205 (39.1 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 223-264 (56.5 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Welp. At least Blissey and Amoongus can still wall it, right?

>>31734625
Can Azumarril even Belly Drum in OU these days?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:02:09 No.31734675 Report

Quoted By: >>31734691

>>31734643
>Amoonguss
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Psychic vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Amoonguss: 264-312 (61.2 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
If they predict you're fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:04:40 No.31734691 Report

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>>31734643
Don't take it literally when people say "nothing can switch into Primarina", of course Blissey can.
It's just that Primarina can easily take KOs on every game and after you eliminate her checks it's one of the biggest threats in the tier. Also Psychic and Ice Beam fuck Amoonguss hard. as >>31734675 said, if they predict right you're fuck'd

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:05:12 No.31734697 Report

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>>31733925
>SUMO
kill yourself you useless cumstain

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Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:10:04 No.31734733 Report

Quoted By: >>31734748

>>31734036
>I've already accepted that Primarina will be banned.
>Literally ONE (1) person voted to ban it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:12:44 No.31734748 Report

Quoted By: >>31734765

>>31734733
Azumarill looked like it wasn't going to be banned too at the very beginning, it's definitely a possibility. I wouldn't say Primarina deserves to be banned though, I think she'll stay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:13:00 No.31734750 Report

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>>31733925
I hope Victini fails the test desu. When he was still legal pretty much any bulky water or bulky steel was moot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:15:04 No.31734765 Report

Quoted By: >>31734776 >>31734818

>>31734748
>banned too at the very beginning
Because shit like thundurus and victini were able to decimate bulky waters like azumarill and primarina. I think prima will stay in UU, but I can see why it was being considered for suspect.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:16:19 No.31734775 Report

Quoted By: >>31734792 >>31735220 >>31736347

>>31733925
>What was once the second healthiest genie (including their forms) is now stuck in BL hell

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:16:23 No.31734776 Report

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>>31734765
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:17:26 No.31734792 Report

Quoted By: >>31735220

>>31734775
>What was once the second healthiest genie (including their forms) is now stuck in BL hell
Are you implying this is a bad thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:18:28 No.31734798 Report

Quoted By: >>31734818

>>31733925
What's with Azu recently? I remember the last vote was pretty much unanimously don't ban.
And nigga what the fuck is Clef doing in this tier? I go to uu to get away from shit like clef I dont want to see this thing in uu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:20:16 No.31734818 Report

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>>31734798
As >>31734765 said, his main counters were banned so it only makes sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:40:48 No.31735009 Report

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>>31733925
RIP Politoed

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:44:26 No.31735053 Report

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No clefable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:57:32 No.31735220 Report

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>>31734775
>>31734792
Probably pointing out powercreep bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 21:59:27 No.31735244 Report

Quoted By: >>31735315 >>31735319

>>31733925
Primarina is actually quite scary now that everything that was good against it was banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 22:04:42 No.31735315 Report

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>>31735244
It always was though. It's just even better now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 22:05:07 No.31735319 Report

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>>31735244
I usually run trick specs rotom-H and it does a decent job on countering seal, unless I misspredict and/or they're running an AV set

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 23:20:13 No.31736131 Report

Quoted By: >>31736286

I could see Primarina both staying and being booted desu, though I lean towards her staying, unless she becomes really dominant. Move tutors in the next game will most likely decide her fate in the tier.

>>31734643
>Welp. At least Blissey and Amoongus can still wall it, right?

lol Amoongus, I would heavily advise against using him as a Primarina switch in, semi-competent players will embarrass you by reading that switch in from a mile away and throw out a Ice Beam or Psychic to wreck him.

Trust me on this one lads, I've experienced this embarrassment first hand. The same applies for Roserade btw, those two are terrible switch ins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 23:33:15 No.31736286 Report

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>>31736131
What could make Primarina good in OU? I can't think of anything aside from Boomburst, since i'd rather use her with Specs even if she gets Calm Mind and Moonlight... I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Feb 2017 23:39:43 No.31736347 Report

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>>31734775
I miss gen 5

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