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Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 20:49:25 No.31781066 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31781589 >>31781747 >>31781824 >>31781850 >>31781899 >>31782329 >>31784726 >>31786566 >>31786691 >>31790855 >>31796273 >>31796446

>no national dex

Were there space issues due to too many pokemon or something? What the heck?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:45:22 No.31781589 Report

Quoted By: >>31781617 >>31781718

>>31781066
>thread asking for explanation for a glaring flaw in Sun/Moon's

The answer is always gamefreak is shit. Stop making these threads. No, the problem isn't storage space, it's not time restrictions, it's not going to be fixed in the inevitable third version.

Gamefreak is lazy garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:48:18 No.31781617 Report

Quoted By: >>31781626 >>31782242 >>31788136 >>31790769

>>31781589
At least it's better than any of the DS games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:49:27 No.31781626 Report

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>>31781617
DELET

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:54:39 No.31781696 Report

Quoted By: >>31781723

Hacking issues, an attempt to make gen 7 compatible with gen 6 and the pokebank

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:56:03 No.31781711 Report

Quoted By: >>31784701

>space issues

lol no, thats not how games work anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:56:53 No.31781718 Report

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>>31781589
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:57:17 No.31781723 Report

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>>31781696
>hacking issues and compatibility issues is why we didn't get a national dex
ahahahah how can anyone actually believe this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:59:07 No.31781747 Report

Quoted By: >>31781758 >>31781812 >>31781850 >>31781908 >>31782212 >>31784711

>>31781066

Still don't get all the uproar over the national dex. Is it literally just "Well it was there before but now it's not, REEEE!"? With Bank it sees like a national dex is meaningless since you can just keep a living dex in the bank and add to it as they make new games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:00:04 No.31781758 Report

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>>31781747
it's just injectfags mad when something is uninjectable for once

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:04:52 No.31781812 Report

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>>31781747
As much as anything, there's a blank space on the Pokémon's stat pages that looks like there SHOULD be a national dex number.

If they weren't going to add it in, fine, but at least don't make it look like they will.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:06:09 No.31781824 Report

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>>31781066
>too many pokemon
Nice one.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:07:58 No.31781850 Report

Quoted By: >>31781871 >>31786534

>>31781066
>>31781747
https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/gametext.txt

Look around the dex entries. It wasn't space restrictions or laziness, it was purposely cut to put it in Bank instead.

Unless I'm misunderstanding how they ripped the text, there are blank text entries for Pokemon that didn't get in the Alola Dex, along with this the classifications of all the Pokemon (Bulbasaur is the Seed Pokemon etc.) all remain in the data

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:09:43 No.31781871 Report

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>>31781850
They didn't really rip anything out to put in Bank, since Bank's dex doesn't have new entries for the those Pokemon either. They just didn't write anything in there in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:12:46 No.31781899 Report

Quoted By: >>31781971 >>31782183

>>31781066
No, but someday there will be. There's only so many Pokemon they can have before the game becomes a cluttered mess. After the national dex hits 999, every game after will be regional dex only, with no other Pokemon available at all. Right now they're gradually easing us into this by making the national dex Bank exclusive. Personally I'm fine with this since regional dexes have good potential for type balance, while there's basically no way for them to balance the national dex at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:13:45 No.31781908 Report

Quoted By: >>31786259 >>31787679

>>31781747
>Please pay us extra money for a feature that has been free since the second generation
Don't even defend this for a second.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:18:10 No.31781942 Report

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Waiting for Stars on Switch before natdex release

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:21:50 No.31781971 Report

Quoted By: >>31782156

>>31781899
>Personally I'm fine with this since regional dexes have good potential for type balance,
SM have already shown us that GF is incapable of balancing a regional dex

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:40:14 No.31782140 Report

Quoted By: >>31796250

>There's a Rotom in your Pokedex!

>Barely any potential was had, not including, the potential of talking pokemon
>Literally just there to hold your hand

>Somehow ends up being worse than DPP's touchscreen functionality

Jesus Christ, who in the hell was possessed enough to even think this shit was a good idea, this is almost as bad, if not worse than one thousand Starlows.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:41:07 No.31782156 Report

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>>31781971
Gen 5's regional dexes were pretty balanced aside from there maybe being too many OP dragons. The only thing that screwed over the balance in SM was the insane amount of pandering. 5 pseudo legendaries alongside 3 quarters of the entire Kanto roster makes for terrible balance, but it sells well because the normies eat it right up. GF could make a balanced dex easily if they weren't under the influence of all the extra pander cash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:43:48 No.31782183 Report

Quoted By: >>31782252

>>31781899
>After the national dex hits 999, every game after will be regional dex only, with no other Pokemon available at all.
Why would 999 be the limit? Modern consoles don't have to worry about limits like that, hell, RSE could easily make a Dex with ~65000 Pokémon regarding hardware.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:46:35 No.31782212 Report

Quoted By: >>31782288 >>31787679

>>31781747
>With Bank it sees like a national dex is meaningless since you can just keep a living dex in the bank
The Bank costs money. They're charging you an extra fee to see something that was free in past games.

Shit like this makes it harder to keep a living Dex and to know if you actually caught 'em all, unless you caught 'em all last Gen and transferred them over either with Bank or hacking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:49:51 No.31782242 Report

Quoted By: >>31785839

>>31781617
are you high

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:50:30 No.31782252 Report

Quoted By: >>31782288

>>31782183
it's not a technological limit, but rather one that Gamefreak will inevitably set themselves. The dex has always had 3 digits, even before going into triple-digit numbers. Not to mention it's pretty obvious they're trying to avoid the 999 hit with so many form differences and so few actual new species. If Lycanroc was introduced in gens 1-5, its two forms would have been two separate species, for example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:53:28 No.31782279 Report

Quoted By: >>31782288

Pokebank has national dex now, pretty much the same thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:54:06 No.31782288 Report

Quoted By: >>31790842

>>31782252
>The dex has always had 3 digits
Trainer IDs have always had 5 digits but they upped it to 6 digits in SM.

I agree that they're slowing down on how many Pokémon they add per Gen, but the last time they made Pokémon unavailable in a game, we got the Ruby/Sapphire backlash that led to the lowest-selling Gen of all time and creating a legion of Genwunners who refuse to play anything past GSC because of the lost backwards compatibility. And the unavailable Pokémon in RS were only temporary, what you're suggesting is permanent for that generation.

>>31782279
See >>31782212

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:57:31 No.31782329 Report

Quoted By: >>31784741

>>31781066
because it was redundant with the bank

only unironic autists actually want to spend 10 minutes tediously putting all their pokes in batches into their game every time a new game comes out

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 23:03:06 No.31782382 Report

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31781617
b8 so bad that I'm not giving ya what ya want

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 02:51:46 No.31784701 Report

Quoted By: >>31785657

>>31781711
surely the memory on a cartridge is finite, i'm not sure a few hundred more pokedex entries would push it over whatever the limit is though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 02:53:38 No.31784711 Report

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>>31781747
i'm not paying for bank indefinitely, i pay for a year when a new game comes out move everything to the new one and don't renew until another game comes out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 02:56:30 No.31784726 Report

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>>31781066

I do think it's stupid that they didn't include one, but I'm glad that they stopped tying rewards to an in game national dex because I was literally just bringing in hundreds of pokemon, and then transferring them out at once

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 02:57:53 No.31784741 Report

Quoted By: >>31787682

>>31782329
I just wanna look at my fave mons in the pokedex, and see what new fucked up fact they can come up with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 04:30:41 No.31785657 Report

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>>31784701
The only times something like text would have any impact on cart size, let alone a meaningful one, would be Gen 1 and 2. Gen 7 is 3.2GB, which means they have an entire 800MB on the cart if they don't bump all the way up to 8GB.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 04:49:38 No.31785839 Report

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>>31782242
He's high

ly accurate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 05:35:50 No.31786259 Report

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>>31781908
National Dex is free, boy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 06:15:34 No.31786534 Report

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>>31781850
Sore ED

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 06:20:10 No.31786566 Report

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>>31781066
They didn't want to write new entries for all 802 Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 06:28:07 No.31786617 Report

Quoted By: >>31786660 >>31786822

>I need Bank to sort my mons omg gouging me for that fivebux

Or you could just sort your boxes by looking up dex numbers online.

The only reason to pay for Bank is to migrate from one generation to another. You're retarded if you think the national dex is a desperately needed feature and doubly so if you think omitting it in S/M was a way to get into your wallet rather than a deliberate decision based on the fact that the natdex is 800+ entries which might be daunting for new players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 06:31:46 No.31786653 Report

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Haha, we really don't know!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 06:32:46 No.31786660 Report

Quoted By: >>31786680

>>31786617
>rather than a deliberate decision based on the fact that the natdex is 800+ entries which might be daunting for new players.
That's retarded. If that were the case, why even have a national dex at all on Bank?

And why not just use the natonal dex in bank and apply it to the games? Just copy the exact same text and you're done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 06:34:47 No.31786680 Report

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>>31786660
>If that were the case, why even have a national dex at all on Bank?

Because Bank exists to move mons from G5/6 to G7. It's not a feature aimed at new players and they don't even know it exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 06:36:03 No.31786691 Report

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>>31781066

They didn't feel like writing that many new Pokedex entries.

It'd look sloppy and half-assed having 300 Pokemon with all new Pokedex entries, then having the rest copy-pasted from older gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 07:02:51 No.31786822 Report

Quoted By: >>31787674 >>31796171

>>31786617
How is it daunting? Nobody's putting a gun to the players' heads and telling them they have to get all 800 Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 11:11:40 No.31787674 Report

Quoted By: >>31790708

>>31786822
But it does make 100% completion a more attainable and satisfying goal.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 11:14:14 No.31787679 Report

Quoted By: >>31790716 >>31794235

>>31781908
>>31782212
Fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 11:15:26 No.31787682 Report

Quoted By: >>31787725

>>31784741
So something that hasn't happened since like Platinum?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 11:26:35 No.31787725 Report

Quoted By: >>31787801

>>31787682
Which was why people were excited for SM's dex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 11:49:33 No.31787801 Report

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>>31787725
>this hasn't happened for 7 years
>it surely will happen in year 8
Eh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 13:07:26 No.31788136 Report

Quoted By: >>31794189

>>31781617
B2/W2 shits all over S/M.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 15:00:33 No.31788796 Report

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and what's deal with ORAS megas not being available at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 19:11:07 No.31790708 Report

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>>31787674
I don't see how. I'm sure anyone who would take the time to get all the regional 'mons would know there are an extra 500 they've been ignoring, especially since the game lets you fucking catch some of them via the QR code scanner. If they were only interested in completing the regional dex, every game from Gen 3 onward has had a regional Dex that's smaller than the Nat. Dex.

Hell, DPPt in particular only let you unlock the National Dex if you registered every Pokémon in the regional Dex, if you did that people would have to work to get the National Dex and the only people who would unlock it are the ones who would be likely to want the challenge of completing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 19:12:27 No.31790716 Report

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>>31787679
Sounds like you have to have already had a pass to connect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 19:18:27 No.31790769 Report

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>>31781617
(Kisama)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 19:25:58 No.31790842 Report

Quoted By: >>31790878

>>31782288
>RSE
>we need something like a national version of the pokedex to catch the missing pokemon.

>SM
>national dex? we don't need that, game is fine way it is.
why are people okay with not having a national dex?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 19:27:59 No.31790855 Report

Quoted By: >>31793130

>>31781066
my god, 4chan is full of drama queens

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 19:30:18 No.31790878 Report

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>>31790842
They're okay with it because they're fanboys and willing to overlook and downplay any flaws with a game they like. It's no different than the big anti-Frontier sentiment that appeared on this board in 2014 after ORAS didn't have one; if the game didn't have it, it must not be worth having, Game Freak can do no wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Feb 2017 23:22:17 No.31793130 Report

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>>31790855
removing features for no reason is bullshit, but gamefreak have been doing that for years so it should come as no surprise

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Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:04:48 No.31794166 Report

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Casual and easy game?
Remakes Confirmed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:07:14 No.31794189 Report

Quoted By: >>31794203 >>31796307 >>31797520

>>31788136
>gen 5
>good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:09:13 No.31794203 Report

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>>31794189
You could at least play the games before you shitpost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:13:15 No.31794235 Report

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>>31787679
Fucking idiot. Sure you can take them out but you can't put them back in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 03:43:04 No.31796095 Report

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>can't farm lucky eggs

The more I find out about the game the more I'm annoyed by it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 03:46:59 No.31796171 Report

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>>31786822
But you have to in order to post on /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 03:52:11 No.31796250 Report

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>>31782140
>Rotom could've talked to NPC Pokemon to discover hints or complete quest
>random Tauros is being an asshole and won't let you leave Hau'oli City for arbitrary reasons
>you have to rely on Hala to explain why
>when you have a goddamn talking Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 03:53:14 No.31796273 Report

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>>31781066
Soft reboot of the series, just like RSE and BW

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 03:55:05 No.31796307 Report

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>>31794189
>b2w2
>bad
You should really consider failing a suicide attempt and giving yourself brain damage. Those games are everything SM wishes it was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 04:04:03 No.31796446 Report

Quoted By: >>31796562 >>31796951 >>31796986

>>31781066
Why would they bother? All it would be is more copy pasted bullshit like in gen 6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 04:13:48 No.31796562 Report

Quoted By: >>31796951

>>31796446
so you can rotate them and go through animations and shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 04:48:26 No.31796951 Report

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>>31796446
This >>31796562 as well as being able to keep track of what you have an haven't caught.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 04:51:16 No.31796986 Report

Quoted By: >>31797028

>>31796446
It's has been a staple in almost every main game. Why take it away?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 04:54:30 No.31797028 Report

Quoted By: >>31797134

>>31796986
Because Gen 1 didn't have a National Dex.
This is the ultimate form of pandering.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 05:06:41 No.31797134 Report

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>>31797028

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 05:49:31 No.31797520 Report

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>>31794189
Gen 5 was the last gen we had before Pokemon decided to go full retard.

I loved going through Unova the first time and seeing all the new pokemon that I could catch w/o having to rely on my old staples and B2/W2 had some of the best post-game content since Battle Frontier in Gen 3.

Then once X/Y and SuMo came out, game freak just shat the bed trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice. We got less mons and the difficulty, which was already fairly easy mind, got casualized even further with the addition EXP share.

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