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Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:33:44 No.31781469 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31781486 >>31781586 >>31781749 >>31782036 >>31782104

How long until Smogon tests Shaymin-S? It's basically a weaker Pheromosa at this point but with hax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:35:43 No.31781486 Report

Quoted By: >>31781534 >>31781537 >>31781607

>>31781469

>127 base Speed
>60% flinch chance with Air Slash
>80% Sp. Def drop chance with Seed Flare

If you think Jirachi and Togekiss are annoying, Shaymin-Sky is much worse

The thing was total cancer back when it was OU, and it'd still be a pain in the ass now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:39:25 No.31781534 Report

Quoted By: >>31781555

>>31781486
Not really, it's been totally speed creeped. Gen 4 was a long time ago, power creep has definitely taken its toll. It gets one-shot by HP ice on Tapu Koko, plus with scarf wars going on it's basically guaranteed to be outsped. Still, I guess it can hold a choice scarf itself, so it might be an issue. Give it another gen or two at the current rate of power creep and it'll be irrelevant enough to drop to OU without issue or high usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:39:36 No.31781537 Report

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>>31781486

Also it learns Earth Power, so Heatran can't stop it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:41:53 No.31781555 Report

Quoted By: >>31781591

>>31781534

It's true that Hyper Offense threatens it, and it can't do much to stall, but it's similar to Protean Greninja in that it shits all over balanced teams, which aren't as fast and powerful as hyper offensive teams, or as resilient as stall teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:45:10 No.31781586 Report

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>>31781469
>It's basically a weaker Pheromosa
It's got okay defenses and doesn't die to one hit like Pheromosa does though. 4x weakness aside, while 100/75/75 bulk isn't great by any means, it's not terrible either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:45:37 No.31781591 Report

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>>31781555
>can't do much to stall
>Exclusive move gives you 80% chance to lower targets sp. def by 2 stages effectively 3hkoing Chansey that can't do shit back

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:47:17 No.31781607 Report

Quoted By: >>31781646 >>31781703 >>31782705

>>31781486
It also has a dogshit typing and gets checked by Koko, Pheromosa, Ashninja and the fast Megas. All of them are stuff we didn't have in Gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:50:30 No.31781646 Report

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>>31781607

Grass/Flying is actually okay defensively (there's definitely worse), and it's good offensively.

A 4x Ice weakness has hindered a good Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:55:21 No.31781703 Report

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>>31781607
Yeah, man. That and all the speed creep teams (Scolipede pass, Rain, Sun, etc.) going around along with scarves on everything means a lot of competition for Shaymin-S.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:57:46 No.31781729 Report

Quoted By: >>31781796 >>31781828

>Weavile used ice punch!
Why isnt this mythical in ou?
Shaymim itself is UU at best.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:57:49 No.31781731 Report

Quoted By: >>31781745 >>31782036

Only real Pokemon in need of a test here. It's been cucked at every turn, it would be mid OU at best.

>INB4 "muh nasty plot!!"

A lot of fast Pokemon get boosting moves, but that doesn't break them. Darkrai has such a shitty typing and is outsped by so much shit that it's a non-issue. +2 won't do you any good if you get dinkled on by Koko or Pheromosa immediately after.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:58:42 No.31781745 Report

Quoted By: >>31781759 >>31781813

>>31781731
It really should now that Dark Void became Dark Miss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 21:59:27 No.31781749 Report

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>>31781469
>test
Anon there's no way someone with this much fucking hax gets tested

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:00:06 No.31781759 Report

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>>31781745
Yeah, it can't even fill its niche of "fast sleep setter" now that fucking hypnosis is the best sleep move it has. Even Smeargle does it better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:03:24 No.31781796 Report

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>>31781729

Shaymin-Sky has 127 base Speed, Weavile has base 125.

The only way Weavile can land a hit is if it uses Ice Shard. Otherwise, Shaymin-Sky outspeeds and kills it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:04:59 No.31781813 Report

Quoted By: >>31781826 >>31781844 >>31781888

>>31781745

Even without Dark Void, Darkrai is still too much for OU. It's basically Gengar on steroids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:06:11 No.31781826 Report

Quoted By: >>31781848

>>31781813
So UU material?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:06:16 No.31781828 Report

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>>31781729
>completely different stats, ability, and not even the same typing
>hurrdurr shaymin sucks so why is sky good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:07:20 No.31781844 Report

Quoted By: >>31781878

>>31781813
*With a useless ability
*With a horrible, meta irrelevant typing that makes it even more vulnerable to what outspeeds it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:07:45 No.31781848 Report

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>>31781826

Gengar is not UU material, the Showdown ladder is just fucking shit at this game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:10:26 No.31781878 Report

Quoted By: >>31781924

>>31781844

Dark is a fucking amazing type, what are you talking about? It's been buffed two gens in a row.

>Gen 6: No longer resisted by Steel
>Gen 7: Immune to Prankster

Dark is one of the most spammable types in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:11:12 No.31781888 Report

Quoted By: >>31781911

>>31781813
Darkrai is more like a Greninja that can boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:14:05 No.31781911 Report

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>>31781888
Greninja can boost with Z-Happy Hour though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:15:35 No.31781924 Report

Quoted By: >>31781950

>>31781878
>Fairies: The meta
>Spammable type

Nobody uses prankster anymore, Aegislash is banned, and though you didn't mention it, arguably the biggest dark type buff in Knock Off is unavailable to it. The only thing it can really dunk on is M-Metagross and I suppose A-Marowak, though the relevance of that has long since plummeted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:19:26 No.31781950 Report

Quoted By: >>31782017

>>31781924

Darkrai can shit on Fairies with Sludge Bomb though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:25:14 No.31782014 Report

Quoted By: >>31782046

>ash-greninja used ice beam!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:25:22 No.31782017 Report

Quoted By: >>31782024

>>31781950
>125 speed

It really can't. It gets OHKO'd by Tapu Koko and scarf (read: all) Lele's Dazzling Gleam/Moonblast. Mimikyu is normally affected by it after it wastes a turn busting its disguise, can't be OHKO'd and OHKOs Darkrai even with an unboosted Play Rough and Magearna isn't even affected by it at all. I'm assuming nobody would be stupid enough to leave in Fini or Bulu, especially with so many Steel types on everyone's teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:26:41 No.31782024 Report

Quoted By: >>31782045 >>31782098

>>31782017
Also, ran the calcs, even if Lele is spec'd and gets outsped, it'll survive a sludge bomb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:28:03 No.31782036 Report

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>>31781731
>>31781469
both horrifying pokemon, but if given a choice id much rather darkrai

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:28:56 No.31782045 Report

Quoted By: >>31782074

>>31782024
It dies to Shadow sneak next turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:29:01 No.31782046 Report

Quoted By: >>31782086

>>31782014

Ash-Greninja never runs Ice Beam, it only has one set, and that's the Specs set with Water Shuriken, Hydro Pump, Dark Pulse, and U-turn.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:32:05 No.31782074 Report

Quoted By: >>31782089

>>31782045
>Darkrai learning shadow sneak
>Priority in Psychic Terrain

At least try, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:33:39 No.31782086 Report

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>>31782046
>252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Shaymin-Sky: 280-331 (82.1 - 97%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
>can only OHKO if SR

Trash, but if Shaymin-S was brought back into OU I think a lot of people would run Ice Beam just for it like some Ash-greninja run Extrasensory for Toxapex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:33:59 No.31782089 Report

Quoted By: >>31782148

>>31782074
>there aren't circumstances where psychic terrain isn't on the board
>when there's literally 3 other Tapu in OU
(You)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:35:00 No.31782098 Report

Quoted By: >>31782148

>>31782024
its likely to get KO'd if it takes chip damage like rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:35:51 No.31782104 Report

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>>31781469
If an Ubers would be an S-tier if allowed in OU, chances are you should just keep it banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:40:27 No.31782148 Report

Quoted By: >>31782185 >>31782245

>>31782089
That still doesn't change the fact that Darkrai can't learn shadow sneak and wouldn't use it if it could. It also doesn't change the fact that it gets shit on by Lele even if Lele somehow gets outsped.

>>31782098
That's true. The likelihood of it not running scarf is pretty low, though. Plus there's a hazard remover on every good team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:43:56 No.31782185 Report

Quoted By: >>31782204

>>31782148
yeah, i guess

in regards to the shadow sneak situation, it does get sucker punch via move tutors if you're insane

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Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:45:46 No.31782204 Report

Quoted By: >>31782225

>>31782185
you just inspired me to bring sucker punch darkrai to showderp
thanks for the meme anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:48:01 No.31782225 Report

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>>31782204
id go for swords dance, sucker punch, drain punch and poison jab with darkium-z

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:50:06 No.31782245 Report

Quoted By: >>31782272

>>31782148
i dont know about you guys but i really dont want an increase in usage for tapus jist because they can check a uber mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 22:52:36 No.31782272 Report

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>>31782245
They're already at the top of the usage charts, I doubt it'd affect anything. Maybe it'd push healthy meta lion down one spot, but Pheromosa would probably take the spot before Koko or Lele.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 23:35:08 No.31782705 Report

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>>31781607
Gen 4 also had no team preview, if your opponent brought a Skymin you'd get dicked. Now you can at least play around it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Feb 2017 23:43:37 No.31782787 Report

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shaymin-sky will never be OU in this meta and youre retarded if you unironically think so
darkrai is much more understandable but would still be too much even with the useless ability. life orb 3 attacks with dark pulse/sludge bomb/focus blast has zero safe switchins outside of bansey and magearna
does tapu koko and scarf lele and such beat it 1v1? yes. but thinking of the meta in terms of that is nonsensical. golduck beats primal groudon """1v1""" so therefore golduck should be used in ubers right?

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Mantine: 261-308 (69.9 - 82.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 333-393 (118.5 - 139.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Lele: 234-276 (83.2 - 98.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 333-393 (86.2 - 101.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

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