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Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:38:42 No.31794545 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31794564 >>31794646 >>31794841 >>31795037 >>31795560 >>31798661 >>31798690 >>31798782

How can GF make it good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:40:39 No.31794564 Report

Quoted By: >>31798219

>>31794545

complete BST re-arrangement would be nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:47:34 No.31794646 Report

Quoted By: >>31794677 >>31794932 >>31796391

>>31794545
mega evolution
prankster/huge power ability
some OP signature move

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:49:54 No.31794677 Report

Quoted By: >>31794705 >>31794932

>>31794646
Would huge power even help it....let's be honest

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:52:23 No.31794705 Report

Quoted By: >>31794713

>>31794677
yeah it wouldn't nevermind
change that to magic guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:53:25 No.31794713 Report

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>>31794705
geomancy/qd + magic guard + baton pass
there you go

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:57:37 No.31794754 Report

Quoted By: >>31794806 >>31794816

Make it Bug/Fighting

Give it some exclusive moves

one is called Justice Fist. Special fighting type move 120 BP, 100% accuracy. Does 3x damage to dark types instead of 2x, so even if a split dark type resist a fighting move, it will still do 2x to pokemon like Drapion and Skuntank

the other is called Heart of Justice. Status move. increases special attack by 2 stages, increases speed by 1, decreases defense by 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:01:49 No.31794806 Report

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>>31794754
>Two signature moves for Ledian

Wew lad

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:02:05 No.31794809 Report

Quoted By: >>31794849 >>31794851 >>31794868 >>31794995 >>31798241

Ledian-Mega
Type: Bug/Fighting
Ability: Hyper Fist
(All punching moves will now hit twice with a 1.5x boost to their power)
Stats:
HP - 55
Atk - 140
Def - 110
SpA - 10
SpD - 110
Spe - 130
Also now gets signature bug punching move simply called "Bug Punch" has 80 Base power.

Is it too good now or is this set up retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:02:43 No.31794816 Report

Quoted By: >>31794864

>>31794754
why are bugfags so blind to how broken the shit they want is

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:04:41 No.31794841 Report

Quoted By: >>31794880

>>31794545
make its stats into a physical ribombee and make it bug/fighting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:05:31 No.31794849 Report

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>>31794809
>effective 3x boost to a base 140 attack that can break substitutes/sashes with 130 speed
What do you think?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:05:44 No.31794851 Report

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>>31794809
Bug punch is a great move to bad no hyper fist ability exists i like it.
Seems like it be freat on hitmonchan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:07:11 No.31794864 Report

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>>31794816

>broken

did you notice I didn't change its ability, movepool (outside of the two signature moves) or its BST?.

Even with +2, the fighting move is still running off of 55 base special attack

>+2 252+ SpA Ledian Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 316-374 (97.8 - 115.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

it's not even a clean OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:07:52 No.31794868 Report

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>>31794809
>3x boost to Mach Punch effectively breaking any sash and sturdy.
Fug

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:09:15 No.31794880 Report

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I don't even care about good, just make it not complete ass to use in-game. Such a waste of a good design, not even over-levelling actually helps it.

>>31794841
This would be ideal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:12:46 No.31794932 Report

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>>31794646
>>31794677
Ledian
Bug/Flying
Whatever ability
55
35
50
55
110
85

Mega Ledian
Bug/Fighting
Pure Power
50
85 (35 + 50)
70 (50 + 20)
55
140 (110 + 30)
85

It's not OU because of competition from Buzzwole and Pheromosa, but it's now a valid choice. 50/70/140 means it can take neutral special hits, and 85/85 offenses with Pure Power backing it up means it's not an offensive slouch. Running U-Turn, Power-Up Punch, Mach Punch, Brick Break, Drain Punch, Agility, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, etc., it should be able to hold its own.

Well, actually, not really. But it would be ok in RU or UU. Maybe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:17:34 No.31794995 Report

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>>31794809
It would literally just mach punch everything out of existence. Priority, and hits twice with 1.5x power each time. Not including STAB which would make it 3x. Wew fucking lad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:18:11 No.31795000 Report

Quoted By: >>31795050 >>31795116

Mega Ledian
Bug/Fighting
Ability - Comet Fists: Punching moves hit 4 times. The secondary effects of those moves only trigger on the first hit.

HP: 55
Atk: 35
Def: 100 (+50)
Spa: 55
Spd: 140 (+30)
Spe: 105 (+20)

There. Hits about as hard as Mega Medicham and Mawile, but is still pretty frail and the physical side. The secondary effect of the ability is there so that you can't have retarded shit like getting a +4 of off Power Up Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:20:55 No.31795037 Report

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>>31794545
GIve it +120 in every stat

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:21:59 No.31795050 Report

Quoted By: >>31795066

>>31795000
but then seismic toss activates FOUR times GG EVERYTHING

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:23:21 No.31795066 Report

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>>31795050
Ledian can't learn seismic toss, and it's not a punching move anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:26:40 No.31795116 Report

Quoted By: >>31795169

>>31795000
Nice trips, but Power Up Punch's Attack raise is a primary effect, not secondary.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:27:56 No.31795133 Report

Quoted By: >>31798191

Not Ledian but.

>Speed now matches Electabuzz's 105
>Galvanize is a secondary ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:30:24 No.31795169 Report

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>>31795116
It gets boosted by sheer force, so it is a secondary effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:42:55 No.31795294 Report

Quoted By: >>31795505

It's a sentai hero, so a type change to resemble a mecha of some kind would work thematically.

Let's say an Alolan Form (or whatever the next region is) that's Bug/Fighting (or even Steel/Fighting) with Iron Fist (Moxie as a HA), and its Sp. Def swapped with its Attack.

It aint gonna survive many hits, but it's not like it does already. 85 Speed is okay (nothing amazing, though), but 110 Attack, Mach Punch (which it already has) and Iron Fist would give it a niche.

And if they go with Steel-type, it could get Bullet Punch, for added priority coverage.

Lele shits all over it, but it's an early-game bug. Being shit on is business as usual.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 02:46:18 No.31795334 Report

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Lets say this shitmon gets baton pass an extreme evoboost. Could he make any damage now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 03:01:27 No.31795505 Report

Quoted By: >>31796852

>>31795294
>Let's say an Alolan Form (or whatever the next region is) that's Bug/Fighting (or even Steel/Fighting) with Iron Fist (Moxie as a HA), and its Sp. Def swapped with its Attack.

So a shitty Lucario then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 03:05:46 No.31795560 Report

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>>31794545
they could give it a nice mega like beedrill, or new abilities, moves and considerable boost to its stats, but it's more likely we're getting +20 points in a random stat and that's it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 03:08:39 No.31795587 Report

Quoted By: >>31796262

I know that Gamefreak is the one that gave it iron fist, but why do people always want shitmons to be straight sweepers? I would like Ledian to get a speed boost/prankster/larger support movepool.

Or maybe there's just no fixing it without huge power

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 03:09:12 No.31795595 Report

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mega power

4x attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 03:52:37 No.31796262 Report

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>>31795587

Because speed boost and prankster is outclassed by Yan(mega) and Volbeat/Illumise.
If it became a Huge Power sweeper it at least wouldn't be outclassed by its PU brethern, instead just being outclassed by every other Huge Power user, and possibly finding a niche in RU/NU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 03:59:46 No.31796391 Report

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>>31794646
SAtk Huge Power equivalent
+10 HP/Def/SD
Quiver Dance
Air Slash

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 04:37:30 No.31796852 Report

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>>31795505
>implying anything can be shittier than Lucario

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 07:25:37 No.31798191 Report

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>>31795133
>Galvanise
>Not Electric Surge

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 07:31:21 No.31798219 Report

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>>31794564
This, but that's unlikely to ever happen, so it'll be shit forever unless it gets lucky and gets an evo or mega, or you use it in a romhack that makes it good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 07:34:28 No.31798241 Report

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>>31794809
With that ability, its attack stat shouldn't be over 100, maybe 105, but I think that's pushing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 09:03:35 No.31798661 Report

Quoted By:

>>31794545
A special based Power Trick
>but Ledian mainly learns physical moves
Dude better OK than complete shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 09:10:35 No.31798690 Report

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>>31794545
Ability: Multi Fist

Punching moves hit between 1-4 times.

It stays Bug/Flying. Gets Dizzy and Drain Punch as level up moves.

Thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Feb 2017 09:33:26 No.31798782 Report

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>>31794545
90/115/90/35/110/115
Tinted Lens
Bug/fighting typing
Close Combat
First Impression
Bullet Punch
Elemental Punches
Lunge
Rage Powder
Poison Jab
Sucker Punch
Follow Me

This is the bare minimum they'd have to give it.

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