Is there really a debate? Red accomplished pretty much everything that Ash never could. He beat the E4, became champion, bitched his rival at every opportunity, defeated the evil team singlehandedly, and probably tons of pussy. He became a legend, and is still to this day a fan favorite. Ash is such a failure on so many levels that it baffles me how he still manages to find friends who respect him. He has a cardboard personality, constantly makes a fool out of himself, barely catches anything, can't even fully evolve more than half of his pokemon, loses EVERY time he goes the the league, and still gets tricked by the same 2 fucking retards' antics after nearly a decade of the show. He is the epitome of a failure, and the only comparison you can draw between him and Red is that they were design to look alike.
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