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Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 19:58:27 No.31863036 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31863083 >>31863154 >>31863312 >>31863450 >>31863569 >>31863575 >>31863577

How do we fix Flinching/Missing/Paralysis?

These 3 mechanics can pretty much ruin competitive games and just make the game less fun, with the only exception being Fake Out flinches.

And obvious we can't just make it so that Dynamic Punch and Sheer Cold hit 100% of the time for every Pokémon.

Ideas?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:02:07 No.31863083 Report

Quoted By: >>31863133 >>31863440 >>31863746

>>31863036
stop trying to get luck out of competitive. luck is part of the game, those moves/mechanics are based on roll. skill isn't just getting rocks and hitting hard. dealing with luck is part of your skill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:04:00 No.31863109 Report

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Steel Types don't flinch anymore. There you go, crybaby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:05:39 No.31863133 Report

Quoted By: >>31863157

>>31863083
t. Stallfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:07:29 No.31863154 Report

Quoted By: >>31863572

>>31863036
Make an ability where you don't flinch anymore and an ability where you don't get paralyzed anymore and throw in an ability where every move hits
.....oh wait...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:07:35 No.31863157 Report

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>>31863133
i don't play stall, I find it boring. but if you can't deal with luck on a kid-targeted game, you really should consider to put an end to your life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:21:28 No.31863312 Report

Quoted By: >>31863524

>>31863036
they're RNG-based moves, with a high risk and a high reward

don't play pokemon if you don't like RNG

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:32:33 No.31863440 Report

Quoted By: >>31863579

>>31863083
Except that Flinching/Missing/Paralysis aren't reactionary and give your opponent a free turn, which is so important to the game that it made a 680 BST Pokemon NU.

Most other luck in Pokemon is fine actually. Getting burned by Lava Plume is reasonable. You can easily deal with being burned. Or when you need to predict, which is part of your responsibility.

What you can't deal with is when a random rock slide flinches you, when you miss Leaf Storm, or when your opponent gets a clean switch in because you were paralyzed.

They won't be such a problem if a free turn didn't matter as much.

And no, the "Just use X/Just don't use C" don't help the problem as many Pokemon need that coverage or power to be viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:33:54 No.31863450 Report

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>>31863036
Literally just play chess

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:41:47 No.31863524 Report

Quoted By: >>31863579

>>31863312
This. There are often moves of the same type that do less damage but have 100% accuracy. Use those if you dont want to take risks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:46:17 No.31863569 Report

Quoted By: >>31863579

>>31863036
None of those are problematic. If they were you would see pokemon with those abilities getting actual use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:46:36 No.31863572 Report

Quoted By: >>31863672

>>31863154
No Guard is only given to a Mega, 2 FEF (both of which aren't even UU), and a Defensive NFE Pokemon with barely any low accuracy moves.

Inner Focus is only given to 5 usable Pokemon (8 if you count unrealeased), and 4 of them also need a completely different ability.

And the only way to deal with Paralysis entirely outside of having comatose or Misty Terrain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:46:57 No.31863575 Report

Quoted By: >>31863616

>>31863036
Fighting and Dark pokemon can't flinch.
Attacks that can't miss get +15 base damage.
T-Wave gets 100% accuracy again. A paralyzed pokemon can't be immobilized two turns in a row.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:47:32 No.31863577 Report

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>>31863036
when you lose your sableye to flinch hax

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:47:38 No.31863579 Report

Quoted By: >>31863584

>>31863524
>>31863569
Read this>>31863440

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:48:13 No.31863584 Report

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>>31863579
I did. Doesn't change anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:50:07 No.31863603 Report

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http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Inner_Focus_(Ability)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:51:46 No.31863616 Report

Quoted By: >>31863731 >>31863969

>>31863575
>can't be immobilized 2 turns in a row

This is the only one I can stand behind.

Missing attacks is more on the user for choosing attacks with low accuracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:54:49 No.31863648 Report

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Just go fast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 20:56:39 No.31863672 Report

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>>31863572
Paralysis got neutered. Electric types can't be paralyzed right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 21:01:24 No.31863731 Report

Quoted By: >>31863748 >>31863762

>>31863616
Dark pokemon need a boost like Flinch-immunity, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 21:02:34 No.31863746 Report

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>>31863083
retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 21:02:40 No.31863748 Report

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>>31863731
Dark pokemon are on the verge of being op. The prankster immunity was already excessive.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 21:03:09 No.31863762 Report

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>>31863731

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 21:06:28 No.31863804 Report

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Take a page from Duel and make Status moves tiered. That way you can predict and block certain status moves with your own.

Additionally, moves of the same style (beam, punch, etc), block each other. If one is stronger than the other, then the user of the weaker move receives the difference in damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 21:13:46 No.31863882 Report

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Just accept luck as part of game that was never meant to be a serious competitive system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Feb 2017 21:24:07 No.31863969 Report

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>>31863616
>Missing attacks is more on the user for choosing attacks with low accuracy

In some cases, it's perfectly ok to pick Flamethrower over Fire Blast and so on.

But in vast majority of cases, you need that coverage or stronger STAB for your Pokemon to be remotely viable. Most of OU (namely sweepers and wallbrealers) would be completely unviable if you were forced to use HP fighting instead of Focus Blast or can't even use Physical Rock coverage.
And it also affects moves like Leech Seed, Draco Meteor, Toxic, and Will-o-wisp, all of which shouldn't even have a chance to miss in the first place.

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