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Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:33:36 No.32141084 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>32141088 >>32141133 >>32141260 >>32141307 >>32141400 >>32141781 >>32142153 >>32142419 >>32142521

What the hell happened?
How did it drop so low?
Same for Roserade by the way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:34:30 No.32141087 Report

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It's shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:34:34 No.32141088 Report

Quoted By: >>32141106

>>32141084
outclassed by koko and raikou

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:36:57 No.32141104 Report

Quoted By: >>32141927

But guys we ARE the ones who decide it. Just start spamming her yellow pussy and you will see it reach OU faster than Pheromosa reaches an opponent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:37:04 No.32141106 Report

Quoted By: >>32141115 >>32141120 >>32141121 >>32141126

>>32141088
>legendaries
Gee, I wonder why they'd be stronger than regular Pokemon? It's as if they belong to their own tier, AKA Ubers.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:38:03 No.32141115 Report

Quoted By: >>32141214

>>32141106

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:38:32 No.32141120 Report

Quoted By: >>32141214

>>32141106
>it's legendary so it's strong
Reminder: Articuno is PU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:38:38 No.32141121 Report

Quoted By: >>32141214

>>32141106
shut up shitter
im glad that eeveeolutions are mediocre now
raikou and koko look miles better than spiky dog

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:39:08 No.32141126 Report

Quoted By: >>32141130 >>32141464 >>32141477 >>32141848

>>32141106
I wonder what OU would look like if all megas/legendaries were banned, no matter how bad they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:39:44 No.32141130 Report

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>>32141126
Garchomp and megagross everywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:39:55 No.32141133 Report

Quoted By: >>32142153

>>32141084
Jolteon was replaced by Mega Manectric in Gen VI. Raikou was also used more for that slot because it had more bulk than Jolteon so it could actually switch in on certain attacks, or take boosted resists better.

For Gen VII, Tapu Koko is a complete upgrade. Jolteon's advantage is Electric immunity, and I guess a Steel resist, but Tapu Koko can cover a lot more ground in spite of lacking those things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:47:15 No.32141214 Report

Quoted By: >>32141260

>>32141115
>>32141120
>>32141121
>genieshitters in full damage control mode
Landorus, Pheromosa, and the Tapus are all team members that have obscene usage rates and require no thought to use in OU for a reason: They're broken and don't belong there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:52:11 No.32141260 Report

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>>32141084
No coverage, speed creeped to hell, outclassed by MegaManectric and now Koko as an electric type.
>>32141214
>and require no thought to use in OU for a reason
It's funny because Jolteon also required 0 thought when it was OU.
If you want a meta without legendaries and Jolteon being relatively good, then play PokeMMO I'm sure you'll love it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 21:57:07 No.32141307 Report

Quoted By: >>32143172

>>32141084

Outclassed by Raikou, Mega Manectric, and now Tapu Koko

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:08:56 No.32141400 Report

Quoted By: >>32141438

>>32141084
It dropped in gen 6 because of the introduction of an objectively better alternative to Jolteon in the form of Mega Manectric.

Ostrich Anon

Ostrich Anon Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:12:04 No.32141425 Report

Quoted By: >>32141448 >>32141722

If it's not a legendary or a mega or a psuedo it's shit.

This is Pokemon in 2017

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:13:48 No.32141438 Report

Quoted By: >>32141463

>>32141400
Could Jolteon still be used as a Manectric Lite so that you could use your mega slot for something like ZardX, Megagross, or Megamence? Or is it too far behind to fill that role?

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Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:14:15 No.32141443 Report

Quoted By: >>32141588

>Faster
>Stronger
>Can actually take a physical hit with help from Intimidate
>Gets Flamethrower and Overheat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:14:36 No.32141448 Report

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>>32141425
Oh yeah because Regigigas and Komoo-o are such top tier threats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:15:40 No.32141463 Report

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>>32141438
>Could Jolteon still be used as a Manectric Lite

Raikou is better for that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:16:01 No.32141464 Report

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>>32141126
I kinda wonder this too any ideas?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:16:28 No.32141470 Report

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I'm not sure but Jolteon is a decent anti-meta pick and no one wants to take any attack off those stats, and you know Jolteon will attack first in many scenarios. The best set involves Volt Switch imo which Smogon doesn't include for some reason because they evaluate Jolteon as a straight sweeper when it isn't anymore, it's better as a scout.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:17:42 No.32141477 Report

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>>32141126
>megas too

Weavile becomes crazy viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:25:32 No.32141550 Report

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>What the hell happened
Pokemon died with 4th gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:30:02 No.32141588 Report

Quoted By: >>32141627

>>32141443
forget to mention
>locks your mega slot

you're not using him over jolteon, you're using him over mega-metagross and friends

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:34:58 No.32141627 Report

Quoted By: >>32141635

>>32141588

If you're using a VoltTurn team, then it's worth it, especially if you're using it in tandem with Lando-T for Double Intimidate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:36:11 No.32141635 Report

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>>32141627
yeh he has his uses, just saying a mega doesn't entirely invalidate all inferior non-mega's due to its opportunity cost

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:39:33 No.32141673 Report

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power creep starting from gen 5

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Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:44:40 No.32141722 Report

Quoted By: >>32141754 >>32141785

>>32141425
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:45:44 No.32141734 Report

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>>32141448
He never said ALL megas/pseudos/legends

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Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:47:56 No.32141754 Report

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>>32141722
Why did GF had to cut the wings to the Bravest of birds ;_;

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Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:48:14 No.32141761 Report

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>>32141734
>It's not good unless it's a pseudo/mega/legend
>He didn't say all of them
I'm feeling nice today. Have a (you). Well done

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:49:26 No.32141770 Report

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>>32141448
just as bad as mega fug

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:50:13 No.32141780 Report

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>>32141754
Ask vgc 2016

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:50:15 No.32141781 Report

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>>32141084
Single typed.

Literally NO FUCKING MOVES.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:50:33 No.32141785 Report

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>>32141722
>>32141754
It's based on a hawk. (not a eagle)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 22:59:11 No.32141848 Report

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>>32141126
OU would look like UU and garchomp would be overkill

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 23:10:46 No.32141927 Report

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>>32141104
>her

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 23:23:11 No.32142032 Report

Quoted By: >>32142061

Mega Manectric, Raikou, and Tapu Koko happened. You can thank the gen of healthy power creep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 23:25:33 No.32142061 Report

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>>32142032
>the gen of healthy power creep
Isn't that the last 4 gens though

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Anonymous Wed 22 Mar 2017 23:35:13 No.32142153 Report

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>>32141084
I know OP, being a jolteonfag is getting worse

>>32141133
Double dubs of truth. I still like using it. Its speed is godtier and the electric inmunity is always useful. Also, it can use Koko's eletric terrain and force it out. The M-Manetric thing is also true but Jolteon still hits harder with LO/Specs and doesn't make use of the mega slot. Honestly, finding niches for all the fast special electric attackers is getting harder and I don't know what could make Jolteon more usable

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2017 00:09:52 No.32142404 Report

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Spiky bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2017 00:12:37 No.32142419 Report

Quoted By: >>32142451 >>32142454

>>32141084
Was Jolteon ever good? I've played Showdown/Shoddy since RSE and rarely remember seeing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2017 00:16:16 No.32142451 Report

Quoted By: >>32142701

>>32142419
It was decent in RSE where it hit the highest speed tier in OU and had good enough SpA to hit things plus pass substitutes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2017 00:16:26 No.32142454 Report

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>>32142419
It was OU every gen up until XY happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2017 00:25:42 No.32142521 Report

Quoted By: >>32142556 >>32142701 >>32143172

>>32141084
am I remembering wrong or was Jolteon always used more than Raikou in Gen4/5?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2017 00:30:02 No.32142556 Report

Quoted By: >>32142701

>>32142521
Raikou was generally considered to be an inferior Jolteon, yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2017 00:50:26 No.32142701 Report

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>>32142451
Oh wow, I completely forgot about fastpass jolteon. I loved when dedicated leads were good.
>>32142521
>>32142556
I dunno if I'd go that far; Jolteon was a better lead, but Raikou was bulky and could set up CMs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Mar 2017 01:52:59 No.32143172 Report

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>>32141307
This and only this. Jolteon isn't bad. It's just outclassed by a couple things, giving it less use in higher tiers.

>>32142521
Raikou got moves since then

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