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Anonymous Sun 09 Apr 2017 23:24:03 No.32289599 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>32292159 >>32292179 >>32292558 >>32293668 >>32294804 >>32295139 >>32295509 >>32295513 >>32297759

Haha, Pheromosa sure was broken. Now OU is all good, r-right?

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Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 05:35:52 No.32292159 Report

Quoted By: >>32292668

>>32289599

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 05:38:37 No.32292179 Report

Quoted By: >>32292192 >>32295391

>>32289599
>he did the mash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 05:42:49 No.32292192 Report

Quoted By: >>32292204 >>32295391

>>32292179
>He did the monster mash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 05:44:59 No.32292204 Report

Quoted By: >>32294814 >>32295391

>>32292192
>it was an OU bash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 06:54:48 No.32292558 Report

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>>32289599
Too many fairies to kill, too little time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 07:26:59 No.32292668 Report

Quoted By: >>32295737

>>32292159
>opponent switches Lando-T into my Metagross
>Clear Body
>mega evolves
>Ice Punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 13:08:53 No.32293668 Report

Quoted By: >>32293682

>>32289599
I want this banned but then I would lose my #1 Tapu killer

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 13:13:57 No.32293682 Report

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>>32293668
>tfw alolan muk and metagross take care of all my tapu troubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 13:20:03 No.32293718 Report

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Is Megagross still legal in Monotype?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 17:11:36 No.32294804 Report

Quoted By: >>32294838

>>32289599
It wasn't overpowered last gen and it's not overpowered now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 17:12:52 No.32294814 Report

Quoted By: >>32295391

>>32292204
>he swept the team in a flash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 17:17:03 No.32294838 Report

Quoted By: >>32294923 >>32294936 >>32295659 >>32296871 >>32296901 >>32297212 >>32297332 >>32297389 >>32299962 >>32302279

>>32294804
Name 1 (one) counter to MegaGross that isn't a mega and is actually viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 17:29:29 No.32294923 Report

Quoted By: >>32294951 >>32302219

>>32294838
Ferrothorn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 17:30:20 No.32294936 Report

Quoted By: >>32294950 >>32294951 >>32295429 >>32296928

>>32294838
Name a counter to Lele that's not a shitmon like alolamuk
Name a counter to the Greniggers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 17:32:19 No.32294950 Report

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>>32294936
Good point!
Let's ban all 3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 17:32:33 No.32294951 Report

Quoted By: >>32295461

>>32294923
hammer arm
>>32294936
magearna
tangrowth, keldeo, fini and toxapex for ash frog, protean can fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 17:56:30 No.32295121 Report

Quoted By: >>32295289

literally the only problem with megagross is the bullshit atk raise chance on mash that allows it to blow past its would be checks like scizor and ferro

I really hope it won't get banned, I fucking hate fairies

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 17:59:15 No.32295139 Report

Quoted By: >>32295362

>>32289599
I really hate how this thing looks. Metagross looked cool then we get this thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:22:04 No.32295289 Report

Quoted By: >>32295347

>>32295121
meteor mash's mechanics didn't change between gen 6 and 7 you know

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:30:37 No.32295347 Report

Quoted By: >>32295377

>>32295289
so?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:33:01 No.32295362 Report

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>>32295139
This applies to almost every mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:35:44 No.32295377 Report

Quoted By: >>32295399

>>32295347
so if metagross was ou last gen and wasn't a problem, and meteor mash didn't change between the gens, how can meteor mash be the thing making metagross a problem this gen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:38:32 No.32295391 Report

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>>32292179
>>32292192
>>32292204
>>32294814

Beautiful

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:39:47 No.32295399 Report

Quoted By: >>32295416 >>32295421

>>32295377
because megas got buffed as a whole?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:42:19 No.32295416 Report

Quoted By: >>32295526

>>32295399
so it's not meteor mash then

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:42:59 No.32295421 Report

Quoted By: >>32295435

>>32295399
In what way

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:43:38 No.32295429 Report

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>>32294936
>alolan muk
>shit
fight me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:44:48 No.32295435 Report

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>>32295421
Getting the speed boost on the first turn helps megagross a lot.
Meta changes also favor it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:47:33 No.32295461 Report

Quoted By: >>32295601

>>32294951
252 Atk Metagross Hammer Arm vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 152-180 (43.1 - 51.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

you pretty much do tons of passive damage (1/8 from iron barbs, 1/8 from leech seed, and 1/6 from rocky helmet if you choose. Making 5/12 health loss every turn) and cripple Meta with thunderwave. A Metagross that stays on Ferrothorn is pretty much dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:54:16 No.32295509 Report

Quoted By: >>32295524

>>32289599
>Metagross gets banned
>OU becomes Tapu City

How about no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:54:25 No.32295510 Report

Quoted By: >>32295710

What do people use to check/counter M Metagross, Lele, Fini, Greninja, Landorus - T and Koko?

Is the meta more offensive or stall?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:54:46 No.32295513 Report

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>>32289599

Correct

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:56:11 No.32295524 Report

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>>32295509
Good then the Tapus can be universally banned except Top Bull

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 18:56:17 No.32295526 Report

Quoted By: >>32296786 >>32298274

>>32295416
no, it is meteor mash
you can play around the fact that metagross gets 350 speed right away because it's consistent, you can't play around the fact that it pulls an atk boost out of its ass when it feels like it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 19:09:25 No.32295601 Report

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>>32295461
That's the wrong calc.
252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Hammer Arm vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 206-244 (58.5 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
If you predict the switch, you only have to take Iron Barbs and maybe Rocky Helmet damage twice and Ferrothorn dies without making a move. That's 1/4 of your total HP gone, 7/12 with Rocky Helmet, in exchange for getting rid of what is probably your opponent's best answer to MegaGross. Of course you also probably have to switch out due to the Speed drops so it's not like you get a free ticket to 6-0 city, but a well-predicted pair of Hammer Arms beats Ferrothorn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 19:19:43 No.32295659 Report

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>>32294838
i cant, my "ou" team only have mimikyu to deal with him, and bullet punch is a thing sadly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 19:30:39 No.32295710 Report

Quoted By: >>32299879

>>32295510
>megagross
mega scizor / ferrothorn

>lele
magearna, alolamuk

>greninja
>checks

>lando
lando

>fini
literally anything, it has 0 offensive presence

>koko
alolawak, ferro, tangrowth

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 19:35:51 No.32295737 Report

Quoted By: >>32297807

>>32292668
Who the fuck hard switches a Lando on an un-mega'd Metagross?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 19:38:55 No.32295745 Report

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lol at the meteor mash guy

It has actually more of a chance to miss (10%) than to actually raise attack (90%x10%=9%)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 22:17:07 No.32296758 Report

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it's a 20% chance of raising attack (you) smartard

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 22:20:50 No.32296786 Report

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>>32295526
>honestly thinking Meteor Miss is overpowered

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 22:21:54 No.32296789 Report

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>ban meta
>top lel and koko rampant

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 22:39:50 No.32296871 Report

Quoted By: >>32296878

>>32294838
Skarmory

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 22:41:13 No.32296878 Report

Quoted By: >>32296987 >>32297222

>>32296871
thunderpunch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 22:45:32 No.32296901 Report

Quoted By:

>>32294838
Wendell

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 22:51:44 No.32296928 Report

Quoted By:

>>32294936
>shitmon

I get that muk isn't ou material in the day and age of power creep, but who the fuck is it a shitmon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 23:06:20 No.32296987 Report

Quoted By: >>32297014

>>32296878
Rotom-w then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 23:11:27 No.32297014 Report

Quoted By: >>32297028

>>32296987
>252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Zen Headbutt vs. 248 HP / 240+ Def Rotom-Wash: 127-151 (41.9 - 49.8%) -- 26.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
2hkos with a little prior damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 23:12:55 No.32297028 Report

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>>32297014
Didn't know you can carry 5 moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 23:33:05 No.32297212 Report

Quoted By: >>32297222

>>32294838
Slowbro

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 23:34:07 No.32297222 Report

Quoted By: >>32297242

>>32297212
>>32296878

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 23:36:16 No.32297242 Report

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>>32297222
252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Thunder Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 158-186 (40.1 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
If Rocky Helm it can just spam slack off and shrug off damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 23:47:49 No.32297332 Report

Quoted By:

>>32294838
252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Hippowdon: 135-159 (32.1 - 37.8%) -- 0.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Hippowdon: 150-178 (35.7 - 42.3%) -- 91.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Apr 2017 23:53:43 No.32297389 Report

Quoted By: >>32297585 >>32298416

>>32294838
Hippowdon is C+ in the current OU viability rankings. It avoids the 2hko from Ice Punch and 2hkos back with earthquake.

0 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Metagross-Mega: 168-198 (55.8 - 65.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Hippowdon: 170-202 (40.4 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Still, Mega Metagross can run grass knot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 00:21:56 No.32297585 Report

Quoted By: >>32297853

>>32297389
who the fuck actually runs grass knot

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 00:40:57 No.32297759 Report

Quoted By: >>32297785

>>32289599
>he's more worried about megabot MCslowpants than everyones favorite mega waifu

look at him. look at him and laugh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 00:43:47 No.32297785 Report

Quoted By: >>32301406

>>32297759
>110 speed
>slow

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 00:45:43 No.32297807 Report

Quoted By:

>>32295737
everyone not using a scizor, bronzong or quagsire

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 00:50:09 No.32297853 Report

Quoted By:

>>32297585
People who want to meme on bulky water types that try to switch in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 01:48:57 No.32298274 Report

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>>32295526
again see my previous post. if meteor mash was the problem it doesn't explain why it wasn't considered broken last gen, because the move didn't change at all. you're just being retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 02:07:48 No.32298416 Report

Quoted By:

>>32297389
>Megagross
>grass knot
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 02:09:17 No.32298425 Report

Quoted By:

doubles is better anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 06:08:47 No.32299879 Report

Quoted By:

>>32295710
>>greninja
>>checks

Actually, Zapdos, Fini, and Tangrowth check it fairly consistently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 06:12:57 No.32299906 Report

Quoted By: >>32299932 >>32302305

Power Creep has turned the entire game into an even bigger series of dice rolls than ever before. Where there are so many overpowered Pokemon that every battle ends up being a 50/50 depending on what set they're running and if you guess wrong there's no way to fix your mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 06:18:15 No.32299932 Report

Quoted By: >>32299952

>>32299906
The only pokemon that really fit that description are Megagross and Protean Greninja, both of which get complained about on Smogon a lot, so a future suspect is likely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 06:21:15 No.32299952 Report

Quoted By: >>32299978

>>32299932
I'm counting the ones who were banned to Ubers as well like Aegislash, Landorus and M-Lucario

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 06:23:53 No.32299962 Report

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>>32294838
greninja soft counters

Unironically, can take a meteor mash or get in on zen headbutt and forces the nigger out or flat out kills it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 06:27:44 No.32299978 Report

Quoted By: >>32299983

>>32299952
Yeah those guys are total ass to play against.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 06:29:49 No.32299983 Report

Quoted By: >>32301399

>>32299978
That's the thing though. Each Generation they keep adding more and more of them.

The power creep is so bad that massive BST isn't enough to make a Pokemon good. If it lacks a proper movepool it's trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 13:55:15 No.32301399 Report

Quoted By: >>32302245

>>32299983
That was always the case, and typing and actual stat distribution also played a role. The only thing that I can think of that ever skated by on massive stats alone is fucking Kyurem-B.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 13:57:49 No.32301406 Report

Quoted By: >>32302232

>>32297785
Don't you know? Anything with sub 120 speed is slow these days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 16:52:07 No.32302219 Report

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>>32294923
>

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 16:57:43 No.32302232 Report

Quoted By: >>32302253

>>32301406
Ugh when is speed/power creep gonna be fixed?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 17:01:04 No.32302245 Report

Quoted By: >>32302281

>>32301399
Until gen 4, at least

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 17:03:21 No.32302253 Report

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>>32302232
Never. The best we can hope for is that GF buffs older mons to be on par or at least close to the new, crazy ones. This game is starting to feel like Yugioh with how useless some of the mons from older gens are. Sure, some were always mediocre, but usually you could pull of some niche shit with NUmons. Now they're just wiped out before you can even do anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 17:06:38 No.32302268 Report

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>complaining about metagross when le healthy yogi of no switch ins just got released
hello sub 1400 trash

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 17:08:27 No.32302279 Report

Quoted By:

>>32294838
Narutoad
Hippowdon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Apr 2017 17:08:41 No.32302281 Report

Quoted By:

>>32302245
It still had a nice movepool and being a Ghost-type was always huge for it even if it couldn't capitalize on it offensively for so long. I wouldn't compare it to something like, say, Arcanine, which had huge stats for when it was released but mediocre everything else holding it back.

170 IQ

170 IQ Tue 11 Apr 2017 17:15:27 No.32302305 Report

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>>32299906
Any OU past DPP OU is trash and shouldn't be played for this very reason.

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