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>>32421988
Are you talking about outclassed in the sense that another ability functions in a similar way but works better, or outclassed in that they're just shit? I feel like there aren't as many of the former as the latter.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:45:19 No.32422059 Report

Quoted By: >>32422079 >>32422084

>>32422042
>no dynamic punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:46:44 No.32422076 Report

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>>32422031
No I mean of course no guard is amazing for it. Just saying keen eye is redundant to have too

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:47:26 No.32422079 Report

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>>32422059
Give it both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:48:16 No.32422084 Report

Quoted By: >>32422092 >>32422093

>>32422059
Sadly that's too overpowered. 100% accuracy 120 BP + guaranteed confusion? Sign me the fuck up

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:49:03 No.32422088 Report

Quoted By: >>32422094 >>32422126

Technically not outclassed yet as there's no Water type equivalent that gives a damage boost, but Liquid Voice is trash right now. I'm still mad, so much squandered potential because of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:49:28 No.32422092 Report

Quoted By: >>32422107

>>32422084
confusion got nerfed this gen, and machamp isn't brilliant even though he gets that combo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:49:39 No.32422093 Report

Quoted By: >>32422107 >>32422123

>>32422084
>overpowered
>what is machamp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:50:37 No.32422094 Report

Quoted By: >>32424998

>>32422088
>Liquid Voice now makes Sound moves bypass Soundproof and Throat Chop

Is it better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:51:14 No.32422096 Report

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>>32422042
and iron tail

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:51:44 No.32422100 Report

Quoted By: >>32425187

>>32421988
Normalize being the retard cousin of the -ate abilities (and galvanize) feels weird, gf should have change its mechanics

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:53:01 No.32422107 Report

Quoted By: >>32422136

>>32422093
>>32422092
slower than the edgy dog

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:56:05 No.32422123 Report

Quoted By: >>32422136

>>32422093
No shit I know Machamp has it and it was abused to hell back then. No need to give the exact same gimmick to something better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:57:08 No.32422126 Report

Quoted By: >>32422135

>>32422088
They really should have just made it another -ate ability.

Liquid Voice works on all sound moves, but Primarina doesn't learn a good chunk of them and I really don't think it matters whether Sing is Water-type or not. It would get a 20% boost to Hyper Voice with an -ate ability as well, which is nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:59:16 No.32422135 Report

Quoted By: >>32422145 >>32422574

>>32422126
Hydrate or Aqualate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 21:59:43 No.32422136 Report

Quoted By: >>32422176

>>32422107
>>32422123
Not really better when it doesn't have fighting stab sadly and 130 attack. Nice to be the fastest non mega no guard used though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 22:02:04 No.32422145 Report

Quoted By: >>32422574

>>32422135
I want to say Liquidate but they went and made a move called Liquidation, the bastards.

Maybe Aquiate? Sounds a bit off, but so does Aerilate.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 22:06:41 No.32422176 Report

Quoted By: >>32422187

>>32422136
It doesn't need STAB on it. The confusion is what is important. The fact that it gets a free 100 BP hit in is just icing on the cake, even though confusion took a big nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 22:08:54 No.32422187 Report

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>>32422176
Fair enough. Would be fun with scarf cheese. Now if GF could give it head smash...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 22:12:20 No.32422211 Report

Quoted By: >>32422233 >>32422425

Not only is Long Reach pretty niche, there's an item (Protective Pads) that has the exact same effect.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 22:14:51 No.32422219 Report

Quoted By: >>32422306

>>32422048
>water veil prevents burns
>water bubble not only prevents burns, but reduces the power of fire type moves, and doubles the power of water type moves
Do the math.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 22:16:50 No.32422233 Report

Quoted By: >>32422266 >>32422345

>>32422211
>Long Reach prevents contact moves from making contact
>Spirit Shackle already doesn't make contact

>Liquid Voice let's you have a 90BP Sound move in Hyper Voice
>in singles Sparkling Aria is exactly that already

What were they thinking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 22:22:16 No.32422266 Report

Quoted By: >>32422610

>>32422233
that serene grace made too much sense for primarina....or they'll be crazy enough to give it boom burst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 22:30:42 No.32422306 Report

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>>32422219
Water Bubble is an exclusive ability though and completely redeems Araquanid's mediocre attacking stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 22:37:25 No.32422345 Report

Quoted By: >>32422371

>>32422233
Coming after the gen with protean, I guess they were afraid of making another broken starter ability, but they made it completely useless.
Hey, at least they have their own unique abilities, unlike Mr. Intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 22:42:28 No.32422371 Report

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>>32422345
Intimidate is way better though, I rather a good old one than a new shitty one

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 22:51:07 No.32422425 Report

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>>32422211
Long Reach enables a free item slot though, which makes it better than Pads. The only flaw is that the ability needs more distribution, as Decidueye is better off with Overgrow unless Grass STAB isn't being used.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 23:10:28 No.32422553 Report

Quoted By: >>32423514

>DEFIANT
Do anyone even use physical empoleon???

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 23:13:25 No.32422574 Report

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>>32422135
>>32422135
>>32422145
hydrolize

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 23:20:25 No.32422610 Report

Quoted By: >>32422619 >>32422643

>>32422266
>serena grace scald
No thank you.

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 23:22:44 No.32422619 Report

Quoted By: >>32422634

>>32422610
>serena grace

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 23:26:00 No.32422634 Report

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>>32422619
>>>/trash/

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Anonymous Fri 28 Apr 2017 23:26:40 No.32422643 Report

Quoted By: >>32427509

>>32422610
And Moonblast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Apr 2017 01:50:57 No.32423514 Report

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>>32421988
Why not the OG of outclassed abilities,Hyper Cutter.
>Prevents reduction of attack - thus inferior to defiant(atk rise) and clear body(protects everything)
>Doesn't prevent self inflicted drops
>Doesn't protect against the attack reduction of burn
>>32422553
Defiant isn't outclassed tho,it's just a shitty ability on Empoleon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Apr 2017 02:01:47 No.32423591 Report

Quoted By: >>32425017

Tinted Lens. Adaptability does the same, even without resisted hits

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Apr 2017 04:35:35 No.32424412 Report

Quoted By: >>32425279

>>32421988
Isn't Swift Swim good, though? Speed boost after using Rain Dance, plus boost to Waterfall/Aqua Tail/Aqua Jet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Apr 2017 06:17:13 No.32424897 Report

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Every pokemon that has quick feet and not speed boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Apr 2017 06:38:52 No.32424998 Report

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>>32422094
No, not in the slightest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Apr 2017 06:47:36 No.32425017 Report

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>>32423591
Only for STAB moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Apr 2017 07:47:54 No.32425187 Report

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>>32422100
It got fixed anon..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Apr 2017 08:26:44 No.32425279 Report

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>>32424412
Water Veil.
Outclassed by Water Bubble.
Pretty much outclassed by Guts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Apr 2017 17:01:57 No.32427250 Report

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>insomnia and vital spirit delibird

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Anonymous Sat 29 Apr 2017 17:40:10 No.32427509 Report

Quoted By: >>32427735

>>32422643
>Pic related will never get Moonblast
I just want this babe to be OU. Huge movepool, but isn't threatening enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Apr 2017 18:17:47 No.32427735 Report

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>>32427509
Wait...togekiss doesn't learn moon blast? Lolwut?

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