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Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 17:30:24 No.32454221 View View Reply Original Report

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>people still believe Grass type is bad even though the top tank and pivot in OU is a pure Grass type

What are the reasons this myth continues to be perpetrated to this day?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 17:32:21 No.32454225 Report

Quoted By: >>32455488

>>32454221
>Rattata used Ice Beam!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 17:34:50 No.32454249 Report

Quoted By: >>32455820

>>32454221
Grass is absolute dogshit offensively. It's only saving grace is that it's SE on water, but everyone and their mother carries electric coverage for this very reason anyway.
Defensively it's a mixed bag. Being resistant to water, electric and ground all at once is VERY valuable, and it's immune to several common status moves, but it's also weak to a ton of common offensive types as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 17:41:13 No.32454277 Report

Quoted By: >>32454296 >>32454356 >>32454633

Any good grass type Pokemon is good in spite of its typing, not because of it. Grass is dogshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 17:46:11 No.32454296 Report

Quoted By: >>32454327

>>32454277
False. While grass is a below average type, it also has valuable qualities that many team look for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 17:53:29 No.32454327 Report

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>>32454296
True, not to mention most get access to good support moves that are exclusive to grass types like leech seed and spore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 17:56:17 No.32454333 Report

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Grass should have been the type to get resistance to Fairy, not Fire.
It makes sense that a being born from nature doesn't want to hurt plants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 17:57:19 No.32454338 Report

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>>32454221
Bug is worse.

Arceus-bug was memely reconsidered unbanned, and Deoxys-bug was in OU for a long time.

No memes for Arceus-grass and Deoxys-grass :^)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 17:58:04 No.32454343 Report

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>>32454338
>Deoxys-bug
>Deoxys-Grass

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 17:59:03 No.32454344 Report

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>>32454338
>Deoxys

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 18:01:56 No.32454356 Report

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>>32454277
/thread

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Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 18:03:08 No.32454363 Report

Quoted By: >>32454369

>>32454338
>Deoxys-Bug
>Deoxys-Grass

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 18:04:31 No.32454369 Report

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>>32454343
>>32454363
Pretty sure he's referring to Pheromosa and Shaymin-S

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 18:52:46 No.32454633 Report

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>>32454277
There is literally no Pokémon that is good "in spite of" its typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 18:55:03 No.32454650 Report

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>>32454633
tyranitar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 19:11:33 No.32454733 Report

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>>32454633
weavile

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 19:15:47 No.32454758 Report

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>>32454633
Mamoswine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 19:16:43 No.32454767 Report

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>>32454733
its a good offensive typing tho, and an offensive ice type is a god send.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 19:20:16 No.32454802 Report

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>>32454633

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 19:21:43 No.32454813 Report

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>>32454633
rhyperior

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 19:25:22 No.32454848 Report

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>>32454633
mega pinsir

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 19:28:02 No.32454870 Report

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>>32454633
any psychic and bug type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 19:29:46 No.32454883 Report

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>>32454733
Are you fucking dumb?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 19:30:33 No.32454889 Report

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>>32454633
Phero-mothefucking-mosa.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 20:31:58 No.32455218 Report

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>>32454650
>>32454733
>>32454758
>>32454802
>>32454889

Simply wrong

>>32454813
Not good

>>32454848
This one might be the closest thing, since Bug provides no useful advantages. However, since Flying STAB is very strong I would hesitate to consider its typing a complete hindrance.

>>32454870
Explain. Many Psychic and Bug types actually manage to use the typing to their advantage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 20:33:54 No.32455224 Report

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>>32454633
garchomp

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Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 20:39:41 No.32455245 Report

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>>32455218
cry harder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 20:42:11 No.32455260 Report

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So what's the best type?

Ground? Rock? Fairy? Ghost?

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Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 20:44:43 No.32455275 Report

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>>32455260
Dark

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Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 20:46:05 No.32455284 Report

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>>32454338
>deoxys-bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 21:20:04 No.32455488 Report

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>>32454225
>Oh shit. a random Pokemon have a type weakness, must be shit just because of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 21:22:54 No.32455505 Report

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>>32455275
Coldsteel approves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 21:33:31 No.32455546 Report

Quoted By: >>32458408 >>32458415

>>32455275
drapion being that small fucking triggers the shit out of me

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 22:07:28 No.32455733 Report

Quoted By: >>32458493 >>32458611 >>32458617

>>32454221
There are 5 grass types in OU
>Mega Fat Fuck
>Regenerating Spaghetti
>Spiky grass
>2 super hard hitting grass types with high Physical Attack
Ferrothorn and Mega Venu are only good because of Steel/Poison in their typing (as well as Thick Fat for Venu), Tapu Bulu is objectively the worst Tapu and would be RU without Grassy Surge, and Kartana is just barely OU and might drop.

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Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 22:22:17 No.32455820 Report

Quoted By: >>32458812

>ONE good Pokemon means the type isn't shit
Tangrowth is only decent because it has extremely specialized stats and excels at regeneration, most Grass Pokemon have shit stats with nonexistent coverage. If Tangrowth was pure Water or Fire or any other type, it'd probably be even better.
All the other Grass types in OU are there because they either have a Mega to back them up, or have a secondary typing that offsets all the shitty parts of being Grass well enough to function, Mega Venusaur has both of these. If it didn't have Thicc Fat it'd be trash tier with the other Grass Pokemon.
>>32454249
Most Pokemon have something that hits Grass for SE damage without even attempting to specifically counter Grass. It just has that many weaknesses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 22:26:14 No.32455843 Report

Quoted By: >>32455908

>>32454221
/vp/ is casual as shit. They focus too much on the quantity of a type's weaknesses rather than the quality of its resists and weaknesses.

>It's weak to four types, it's shit xd

While completely ignoring the value of resisting two of the best offensive types in the game, and how unimportant being weak to bug is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 22:38:57 No.32455908 Report

Quoted By: >>32458850

>>32455843
t. someone who's never used a grass type
Having a weakness to fire and ice are what hamper grass types, it doesn't help that grass is resisted by steel, flying and dragon, all common types. Furthermore, Grass Pokemon get fuck all for coverage, and usually are too slow or too weak to do anything about any decent OU Pokemon unless they're a direct counter.
Unless grass Pokemon start getting Earth Power or Power Gem like Water Pokemon get Ice moves they're always going to be trash tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 May 2017 23:30:32 No.32456264 Report

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>>32454221
>It makes for a lousy type if soloing the main game due to a lot of negative matchups, especially offensively.
>Grass type starters usually suck donkey balls
>Grass-Type Movepool syndrome is a very real thing. 2-3 Grass attacks, too many powders, some useless support moves, topped with some normal coverage and 1 other wildcard type (Sometimes not even that) is not unusual.
>Grass is disproportionally featured as early-route shitmons, weird terrible 1-stagers

The ingame only shit fosters the belief in new players, and Grass-type Movepool Syndrome means that realistically most of the type goes to shit tiers where they use Leech Seed, Aromatherapy, then twiddle their thumbs.
The Grass type isn't bad, but most grass type pokemon are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 05:56:38 No.32458392 Report

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>>32454633
Kyurem-B. Ice typing helps a bit, but makes it harder to take advantage of it's bulk. Dragon typing makes them Outrages hurt a ton, but makes it easy Fairy food.

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Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:00:58 No.32458408 Report

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>>32455546

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Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:02:57 No.32458415 Report

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>>32455546

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:03:00 No.32458416 Report

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>>32454221
/vp/ autists are unable to differenate between a type that's bad offensively and a type that's bad defensively

They also never take movepool options or the state of the metagame into consideration

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:09:39 No.32458441 Report

Quoted By: >>32458789

>>32455218
>Simply wrong
no, it isn't. Just because you say it is doesn't make it true. Are you 12?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:14:41 No.32458462 Report

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The type itself is okay, it compensates the common weaknesses with useful resists and the immunity to powder and spore moves (though that's not as relevant as it once was).
Most grass pokemon are mediocre however, because they lack the tools to do something useful. If they had a movepool that wasn't terrible a lot of them would become usable

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:26:03 No.32458493 Report

Quoted By: >>32458506

>>32455733
Kartana is certainly not leaving OU for a very long time. It's not that far behind Celesteela and very close to Nihilego.
Ferrothorn's grass typing is also extremely valuable, it's one of very few steel types that resist water and electric. With ground everywhere, I'm sure Ferrothorn's usage would drop if it's just a pure steel type. Same can be said for mega venusuar, it needs that grass typing to survive ground.

Grass is the only type that can deal with ground with a stealth rock weakness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:28:20 No.32458506 Report

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>>32458493
*without

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:42:09 No.32458574 Report

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>>32454338

Are you for true? Were they seriously thinking of dropping bug arceus to OU because of how shit it is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:48:00 No.32458593 Report

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>>32455260
Competitively? Probably Steel or Fairy this gen.

IMO? Poison or Electric.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:52:42 No.32458611 Report

Quoted By: >>32458625

>>32455733
Even Bulu has his niche though; sure he gets absolutely wrecked by anything with Poison but the EQ debuff he provides with Grassy Terrain is hugely underrated, IMO.

Just one calculation to consider:

>252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Toxapex in Grassy Terrain: 108-128 (35.5 - 42.1%) -- 0.5% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery and Grassy Terrain recovery

VS

>252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Toxapex: 212-252 (69.7 - 82.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

Yeah he might not have the speed of Koko or (scarfed) Lele or the beefiness of Fini but he can do some work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:54:43 No.32458617 Report

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>>32455733
Also you forgot one other grass type in OU.

I'll give you a hint: Contrary Leaf Storm spam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 06:56:18 No.32458625 Report

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>>32458611
I respect people who use Bulu, it's the only Tapu in which you can't just spam thunderbolt, psychic, or moonblast to win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 07:31:58 No.32458740 Report

Quoted By: >>32458789

>>32455218
Because Volcarona and Hoopa-U are soo good because of their Bug/Psychic typing and not because of their bloated stats and busted movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 07:48:43 No.32458789 Report

Quoted By: >>32458921

>>32458441
I didn't feel like explaining why those Pokémon's types benefited them because I thought it was self explanatory, but I can do it if you insist so much.

>>32458740
The Psychic type provides great offensive coverage to Hoopa, the Bug type provides a Fighting resist to Volcarona.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 07:58:40 No.32458812 Report

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>>32455820
If Tangrowth was pure water it would be outclassed by Manaphy. And any type weak to rock would make a shitty pivot Pokémon. So you could throw away Fire bug and flying as an option.
Tangrowth needs that grass typing. It makes it's resistances unique. Quality over quantity, the specific types you resist is more important than the number of types you're weak to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 08:01:07 No.32458816 Report

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>>32454221
>They continued to laugh at me and my tangrowth ever since gen 4

Get whipped bitches

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 08:14:46 No.32458850 Report

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>>32455908
Grass usually gets a lot of flack for having five weaknesses. But I play a lot of grass types in OU. And there's only two types that actually caused trouble to me, ice and flying. And mostly, ice comes from HP, which isn't even enough to kill. Same thing goes when up against water types. They may have ice beam, but you can still survive 1-2 hits because of non stab and most grass types being bulky in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 08:49:38 No.32458921 Report

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>>32458789
>I didn't feel like explaining my argument so I win

>Psychic
>Coverage
Are you serious?

Also
>Volcarona resisting Fighting
>Fighting being relevant at all in this meta

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Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 08:52:56 No.32458926 Report

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>>32454221
I guess Normal-type must be the best since Mega Mon was such a threat in Gen 6, right?

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Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 09:08:18 No.32458965 Report

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If it just got Earth Power...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 09:18:02 No.32458994 Report

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>>32458415
Many of these are wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 10:45:06 No.32459312 Report

Quoted By: >>32460906

>>32454221
The top pivot and top mon is a Ground/Flying type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 May 2017 17:13:10 No.32460906 Report

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>>32459312
>Raticate used Ice Beam

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