>>32500158While I agree on you tier-ing, the only starters I think are just "bad" or "shit" are Typhlosion and Meganium. Incineroar is riddled with flaws and isn't even comparable to the rest, but it at least has the plus points of a good concept, and good overall design, just fucked with proportions. Point it, it CAN be made to look good with just a few changes, without any additions or subtractions. Something that can't be said about Typhlosion and Meganium.