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Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 01:58:35 No.32519935 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>32519966 >>32519981 >>32520182 >>32520809 >>32522758 >>32522764 >>32523210

What are Ho-oh's and Suicune's connection to the Unown?

>The radio station that you can play at the Ruins of Alph in HGSS is a distorted combination of Ho-oh's cry and the Azure Flute
>You need Ho-oh in your party to open a room in the Ruins of Alph
>Suicune is seen running with a group of Unown in the opening animation of Crystal
>IIRC the sage in Bell/Tin Tower mentions some connection between Suicune and the Unown

What's the deal here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 02:04:01 No.32519966 Report

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>>32519935
There's some connection with Unown and the creation trio/arceus as well but it's never really expanded upon either. DPPtHGSS remakes when

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 02:05:56 No.32519981 Report

Quoted By: >>32520191

>>32519935
The problem is HGSS is a shit game that utterly failed to improve Crystal in any way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 02:36:39 No.32520182 Report

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>>32519935
>What are Ho-oh's and Suicune's connection to the Unown?

Who knows. Pokemon lore is one giant tease, having a fuckton of events and stories that are difficult to explain or tie together. It's 'obvious' that Ho-Oh and the Unown have some connection, as it's 'obvious' Arceus and the Unown have one too. It's anyone's game what any of this means, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 02:37:32 No.32520191 Report

Quoted By: >>32520245

>>32519981
The problem, I think, lies less with HGSS, which in my opinion are the best remakes. The problem is that Crystal was perfect and cannot be improved upon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 02:46:43 No.32520245 Report

Quoted By: >>32520793

>>32520191
HGSS are the best remakes. I don't know why there are a lot of contrarians lately

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 03:07:25 No.32520369 Report

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Please don't do a gen war thread anons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 04:06:22 No.32520750 Report

Quoted By: >>32522424 >>32522454 >>32523583 >>32523635

From Crystal:

>"Of the legendary POKéMON, SUICUNE
>is said to be the closest to HO-OH.
>I hear there may also be a link to
>POKéMON known as UNOWN.
>The POKéMON UNOWN must be sharing a
>cooperative bond with SUICUNE."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 04:13:12 No.32520793 Report

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>>32520245
>lately
/vp/ has always been contrarian as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 04:16:36 No.32520809 Report

Quoted By: >>32521217

>>32519935
Something about how rainbows are the gateway to heaven.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 05:28:58 No.32521217 Report

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>>32520809
>gateway

My bad, it was bridge

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 09:43:08 No.32522424 Report

Quoted By: >>32522454

>>32520750
Why have I never seen anyone mention this before?! Even back when we had daily lore generals nobody ever fucking mentioned this. Arceus and Unown was mentioned literally all the fucking time, but this? Never.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 09:52:21 No.32522446 Report

Quoted By: >>32523172

And then the anime went in another direction tying Entei to the Unown. (Tho iirc that Entei wasn't real? It's been ages since I saw the movies)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 09:55:50 No.32522454 Report

Quoted By: >>32523180

>>32520750
>>32522424
I know, this is farfetched, but it might be of interest that you can only catch Unown in places that are close to water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 11:27:43 No.32522717 Report

Quoted By: >>32522733

Unknown are the leftovers/witnesses of creation, with arceus being the prime mover for gen 4 and ho-oh infusing life/reincarnating dead mons in gen 2. Maybe also a pun with needing language to create things (in the beginning there was the Word, and the word was god). Weren't the unknown from the entei movie still able to create stuff based on faith?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 11:36:39 No.32522733 Report

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>>32522717
>Weren't the unknown from the entei movie still able to create stuff based on faith?

Not faith, but thoughts and emotions iirc

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 11:47:19 No.32522758 Report

Quoted By: >>32522833 >>32522912 >>32522918 >>32523471

>>32519935
Unowns are linked to Arceus. They may have been its creation, or were born at the same time, or might have been there before it. Some theorize they make up the very fundations of the Pokémon universe, as if their Psychic power actually was creating the world around them and making it more complex the more Unowns there are. Wasn't it shown in the Entei movie that a bunch of Unowns together could alter the laws of space and time with their Psychic powers?
Either way, it's clear they're attracted to legendaries in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 11:50:21 No.32522764 Report

Quoted By: >>32523583

>>32519935
>What are Ho-oh's and Suicune's connection to the Unown?
Absolutely nothing.
Lore wise they have no real connection.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 12:13:01 No.32522833 Report

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>>32522758

maybe they are just code that is improving itself?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 12:33:34 No.32522912 Report

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>>32522758
>May I say one last bit? A long time ago, I wonder what sort of person painted this?
>Dialga's Roar of Time...Palkia's Spacial Rend...
>To the people back then, those Pokémon really must have appeared to rule over time and space.
>Seeing them must have shaken the people to their very core.
>This painting represents those feelings of awe, wonder, and everything else.
>It passed that memory to countless people, eventually becoming a myth...
Cynthia in the ruins of Solaceon Town

>All lives
>touch other
>lives to create
>something
>anew and alive
The Solaceon Ruins after catching all Unown
>Our friends look
>up and heartily
>congratulate us
The Unown Report after catching all Unown
>A strange sound is coming from UNOWN...
>UNOWN started spinning around in circles.
>UNOWN is growling in a way that sounds almost like speech...
>Your Pokémon isn’t moving.
>Your Pokémon seems to be singing something?
Unown when brought to the Ruins of Alph
>ARCEUS looked up at the sky and shouted loudly!
>DIALGA gathered itself up and let out a huge roar!
>PALKIA’s body shook with a great roar!
Arceus, Palkia and Dialga when brought to the Sinjoh Ruins

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 12:34:38 No.32522918 Report

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>>32522758
>>32522912
>But that was not it. A long time ago... people came from Sinnoh to live here.
>They must have built a temple here while longing for home. That's why we call these theSinjoh Ruins...
>According to an ancient document, time, space, and antimatter, or what combined we call the world, shall be born whenArceusstands on theMystri Stage.
>This is where one might say, "The lead enters theMystri Stageat last." All my study of ruins and Pokémon mythology in Sinnoh may have been to bring you up on this stage here today...
>Depicted on theMystri Stageare the Pokémon that shaped this world. The circle in the middle isArceus, the origin of it all...
Cynthia at the Sinjoh-Ruins
>The three living things wished, and
>from them, spirit came to be.
>The world created, the Original One
>took to unyielding sleep...

Canalave Library

Arceus is only ever mentioned by three NPCs: Cynthia, the Hiker and the Scientist at the Ruins of Alph.
The people who used to live together with the Unown are all dead.
Sinjoh is between Sinnoh and Jotho. It‘s exact location i unknown.
Sinjoh is a place where people frrom both Sinnoh and Jotho gathered to worship Arceus.
Arceus is long forgotten, but Dialga and Palkia are still worshipped in the Sinnoh region and mentioned a few times.
Arceus must have at least once created Dialga, Palkia or Giratina whith humans watching it.
We don‘t know if Arceus is native to Sinnoh. It might have left Sinjoh for the Spear Pillar for reasons unknown.
The Mystri stage might be the key to Arceus‘s full power and might the place where it hatched from an egg.
It „sleeping“ is potentially a metaphor forr being in a state where it doesn‘t have access to all of it‘s power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 13:36:47 No.32523172 Report

Quoted By: >>32523187

>>32522446
The games almost went that path too. There's an unused scripted Entei encounter in GSC, hinting it was supposed to be the closest of the three to Ho-oh.

The fact it now learns Sacred Fire could be a callback to that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 13:39:24 No.32523180 Report

Quoted By: >>32523251

>>32522454
Suicune purifies the water so it's like a mirror, thus serves as a possible point of contact to the reverse/distortion world

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 13:40:53 No.32523187 Report

Quoted By: >>32523207

>>32523172
Source on this? I've never seen this mentioned anywhere in any of the beta version or unused assets articles and collections I've poured over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 13:45:31 No.32523207 Report

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>>32523187
Just checked on Bulbapedo

>An unused event script, complete with text, was discovered.[2] In it, a different event for a level 40 Entei, analogous to the birds in Generation I, was planned. The script consists of three events: output text on-screen, play Entei's cry and initiate a battle with a wild level 40 Entei. The output text is: "Entei: Bufuu!"

>This unused event was removed from Pokémon Crystal.

Seems to me like Entei was supposed to get the special treatment (and it did at first with the movie), before they decided to go with Suicune.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 13:46:47 No.32523210 Report

Quoted By: >>32523313

>>32519935
nothing, just a bunch of nonsense so spergs can create their own autistic fanfictions and start screeching "M-MUH LORE" everytime someone says the games are for kids

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 13:56:23 No.32523251 Report

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>>32523180
I mean, who knows? I always thought that Suicune might be on a journey and the Unown are giving it directions.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 13:58:21 No.32523267 Report

Quoted By: >>32523314

I remember being told that if you caught all the Unown forms in G/S, that Suicune assuming it isn't caught would "follow" the player, so any route the player was in, Suicune would be too until it was defeated or caught.

Feel free to confirm or deny this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 14:09:32 No.32523313 Report

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>>32523210
>nothing, just a bunch of nonsense so spergs can create their own autistic fanfictions and start screeching "M-MUH LORE"
just like Souls games. Are the Japanese doing this on purpose in their games or are they just high on acid whi8lst making lore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 14:09:51 No.32523314 Report

Quoted By: >>32523331

>>32523267
Www.justfuckinggoogleit.com

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 14:12:47 No.32523331 Report

Quoted By: >>32523366

>>32523314
>google a vague ass rumor
www.thatsnothowitworks.net

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 14:19:48 No.32523366 Report

Quoted By: >>32523515

>>32523331
Yeah because asking anonymous people to go on their GSC game collect all the unown and take them their is much more viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 14:43:02 No.32523471 Report

Quoted By: >>32523524

>>32522758

Unowns deserve Schooling.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 14:55:04 No.32523515 Report

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>>32523366
fuck me for contributing to the thread

I wasn't looking for an immediate answer, or any answer at all.
I'm not that particularly invested in the rumor, so I thought I'd share and see if anyone else heard something similar OR could confirm or deny it.

The point is far lost now, obviously it's not something people have heard of.

Cheers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 14:57:12 No.32523524 Report

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>>32523471
You know that won't happen
Gamefreak would sooner create Unownite

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 15:09:03 No.32523583 Report

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>>32522764

>>32520750

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 15:20:50 No.32523635 Report

Quoted By: >>32524394

>>32520750

Does any of this still appear in HGSS or was it retconned away because of Arceus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2017 17:40:38 No.32524394 Report

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>>32523635
Probably not, because it would be conflicting with arceus or at least take the focus from it.

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