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Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:03:17 No.32546077 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>32546082 >>32546105 >>32546112 >>32546128 >>32546133 >>32546201 >>32546329 >>32546337 >>32546671 >>32546748 >>32547664 >>32548089 >>32548419 >>32549244 >>32549589

>there are only 2 fighting types in OU

>one of them is a mega

What the hell happened? There was 7 in BW. Have fairies really killed fighting types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:04:21 No.32546082 Report

Quoted By: >>32546201 >>32546306

>>32546077
Yes
Also Buzzwole is shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:04:56 No.32546086 Report

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Poison should've been the type to be super effective against Fighting

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Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:05:18 No.32546089 Report

Quoted By: >>32546138

Pheromosa got banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:05:47 No.32546092 Report

Quoted By: >>32546153 >>32546314 >>32550026

>mega lopunny
>mega heracross
>mega gallade

actually I dunno about gallade, the speed buff will help it a bit though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:08:21 No.32546105 Report

Quoted By: >>32546155

>>32546077
keldeo is going to move up whenever smogon sort out their shitty usage stats. mega lop will be ou when it's released too, same with marshadow which will probably be banned. and remember they also banned blaziken, pheromosa and mega lucario all top tier fighting types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:09:19 No.32546112 Report

Quoted By: >>32546201

>>32546077
Good fairy types, what else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:12:18 No.32546128 Report

Quoted By: >>32546201

>>32546077
Fairy type was a mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:14:42 No.32546133 Report

Quoted By: >>32546201 >>32546475 >>32548054 >>32549688

>>32546077
>Let's make a type to nerf one type!
>But instead it'll fuck up the other types instead of the type it is supposed to nerf
BRAVO GAMEFREAK

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:16:42 No.32546138 Report

Quoted By: >>32546146 >>32546320

>>32546089
Wait, Phero got banned?
Fuck man, I clearly haven't been keeping up at all.
I thought it survived its suspect test.

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Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:19:53 No.32546146 Report

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>>32546138
Sadly, she is RIP. ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:21:22 No.32546153 Report

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>>32546092
Mega heracross shows up in limbo on the smogon site so I guess three. But even then that's not much

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:21:51 No.32546155 Report

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>>32546105
>keldeo is going to move up whenever smogon sort out their shitty usage stats
terrakion too probably

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:22:38 No.32546162 Report

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>>32546153
Just released today, I think you can use it on showdown now

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Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:24:16 No.32546169 Report

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>>32546146
RIP kickan buge.
Didn't realize she was quite that good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:30:36 No.32546201 Report

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>>32546077
>>32546082
>>32546112
>>32546128
>>32546133
Fairies didn't kill fighting type, you shits. These two fighting types just made the rest of them obsolete.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:33:03 No.32546216 Report

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>>32546201
Keep dreaming, Fairyfag.

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Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:33:33 No.32546221 Report

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>>32546201
Doesn't this little shit ruin the vast majority of Fighting types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:35:03 No.32546229 Report

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>>32546201
t. fairyfucker

Kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:39:59 No.32546266 Report

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>>32546221
This "little shit" ruin the vast majority of the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:44:15 No.32546301 Report

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>>32546266
Well yeah, that too.
But its main attacks are sorta tailor made to slaughter basically all fighting type pokes.
Pretty sure the only two who aren't weak to either are Lucario and Cobalion and both will still die to a Specs Moonblast or Psychic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:45:15 No.32546306 Report

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>>32546082
They're both shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:46:17 No.32546314 Report

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>>32546092
I WILL NOT FLINCH

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:47:13 No.32546320 Report

Quoted By: >>32546338 >>32546813 >>32547137

>>32546138
>>32546146
I think there was like a 92% pro-ban majority or something, which is crazy considering mega meta barely squeaked by last gen with 59% pro ban and got the axe with 62% this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:48:07 No.32546329 Report

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>>32546077
Despite of its Ground and Fire Weakness, Cobalion actually is not bad in OU. However, it struggles against Toxapex and other defensive tanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:49:37 No.32546337 Report

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>>32546077
Who is Mega-Heracross?

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Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:50:29 No.32546338 Report

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>>32546320
Goddamn, is that the most one-sided ban we've seen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 20:58:17 No.32546374 Report

Quoted By: >>32548814

>>32546338
shaymin sky had literally 100% ban in some past gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 21:20:14 No.32546475 Report

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>>32546133
This. Fairy is just too good and Gamefreak really should've thought of other options before introducing such a gamechanging type that barely even does what it's intended to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 21:58:04 No.32546671 Report

Quoted By: >>32546774 >>32546839

>>32546077

When you consider that every top tier Mega/top tier threat beats Fighting types, it starts to make sense.

>Mega Mawile
>Mega Medicham
>Mega Alakazam
>Megagross pre ban
>(M-)Gyarados can play mindgames with, and generally beat, Fighting types despite mega evolving into a Dark type
>Mega Pinsir
>Mega Pidgeot
>Tapu Lele and pretty much every other Tapu
>Magearna

The only thing some of them have going for them is being able to bulk a Specs Hydro Pump or Water Shuriken from Ash-Greninja, but Protean Extrasensory Greninja is something they have to watch out for as well as Specs Ice Beam vanilla Greninja, so you can't just switch something like a Chesnaught into it safely. Fighting types suck in this meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 22:17:20 No.32546748 Report

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>>32546077
Going by the viability rankings, there's Keldeo in A, Mega Medicham in A-, Terrakion in B+, and Breloom and Buzzwole in C+. Mega Heracross hasn't been ranked yet, and Mega Lopunny and Mega Gallade haven't been released yet.
Fighting is pretty shit, yeah. But at least it's not ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 22:22:39 No.32546774 Report

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>>32546671
Fairy and Flying are two of the most common types in OU right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 22:23:30 No.32546784 Report

Quoted By: >>32546852

>>32546774
>what is steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 22:28:08 No.32546813 Report

Quoted By: >>32547051

>>32546320
the ban rate was so high was because it was retarded levels of broken and everyone knew it yet their shit-for-brains "council" decided it was a good idea to waste a whole month to try and ban dugtrio first and ignore the outright broken stuff. also because some of their friends were going around saying "phero isn't broken it's just really good all you overrating it are scrubs!!!!!!".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 22:32:11 No.32546837 Report

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what>>32546201
said, sorta. It was more of the fact that Pheromosa was far and away better than every other fighting type so it was redundant. Now that Deoxys-Roach got slapped, some more fighting types will try and fill the void, tho Lele really isn't helping in that matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 22:32:28 No.32546839 Report

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>>32546671
As long as Tornadus T is a thing
There is no point to mega Pidgeot sadly
So its BL hell for mega Pidgeot for ever like Staraptor

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 22:34:34 No.32546852 Report

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>>32546784
Steel is the most common type. But its also surrounded by flying and fairies which prevents fighting types from getting a foothold

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 22:39:20 No.32546884 Report

Quoted By: >>32547111 >>32547166

>>32546155
Terrakion wasn't OU last gen and nothing has happened that buffs it, it's going to rot in BL/UU with Keldo until they stop losing to every Tapu

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 23:03:25 No.32547051 Report

Quoted By: >>32549574 >>32549998

>>32546813
>some of their friends were going around saying "phero isn't broken it's just really good all you overrating it are scrubs!!!!!!".
This was actually true in the beginning of the gen. For a long time the only sets people ran on Phero were Life Orb and Scarf, which are both not that great. It wasn't until people started experimenting with quiver dance + Z move, mostly Z hyper beam and Z focus blast, that Phero became legit busted. A similar thing happened with Aegislash last gen, where people only ran physical Aegi for a long time.
And Dugtrio is pretty busted. There is no doubt it will get suspected again this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 23:16:18 No.32547111 Report

Quoted By: >>32547143

>>32546884
>nothing has happened that buffs it
Volcarona being one of the best set up sweepers in the tier now kinda does

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Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 23:20:20 No.32547137 Report

Quoted By: >>32547175 >>32548207

>>32546320
>>32546338
Also do note that the council poisoned the well by posting several tirades against roachwaifu before the test.

>>32546221
You're next bub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFVQFdAbbTM

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 23:21:01 No.32547143 Report

Quoted By: >>32548363 >>32548460

>>32547111
it loses to every tapu
it may increase in usage with pheremosa and metagross gone, but not by much since it still gets forced out by things like landorus, both greninjas and fails to break past things like Celesteela

Volcarona rising to ~5% usage is not especially significant in the grand scheme of things

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 23:24:57 No.32547166 Report

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>>32546884
Z-Stone Edge is kind of a buff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 23:26:34 No.32547175 Report

Quoted By: >>32547190

>>32547137
>You're next bub
They've strait up said greninja is next.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 23:29:21 No.32547190 Report

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>>32547175
I'm not rearranging the shitty image though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 May 2017 23:59:18 No.32547346 Report

Quoted By: >>32547558

How is Mienshao faring?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 00:24:12 No.32547536 Report

Quoted By: >>32547568 >>32549207

>>32546266
>lose to a pokemon
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH IT'S RUINING THE GAME

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 00:26:28 No.32547550 Report

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>>32546221
watch as lele and naruto frog get banned in a couple of months. the meta will be great again when it happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 00:27:40 No.32547558 Report

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>>32547346
Still and was always pretty good in UU. UU this gen is the paradise for fighters now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 00:28:09 No.32547568 Report

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>>32547536
>strawman
lol k

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 00:32:14 No.32547608 Report

Quoted By: >>32547706

>>32546774
My post was referencing Fighting types specifically, as per the OP. The only viable ones are Megas sadly.

Same basic thing happened with Grass types, you run Ferro, Tangrowth, Bulu, or Serperior, and that's it unless you're running M-Venu. Between those 4 or 5, you have the best physical and special walls and best physical and special attackers the Grass type has to offer. There's just absolutely no reason why you would run any other Grass type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 00:38:33 No.32547664 Report

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>>32546077
fighting is a weird type
iit resist bug but also NVE by it
most of them are basically the same
highish attack
decent Defense and hp

there is one good special attacking fighting type but its out classed by its physical move pool

i dont think fighting type is bad i guess its just lacking in pokemon variety

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 00:43:56 No.32547706 Report

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>>32547608
There's also Amoongus who's A- on the viability rankings, but I never see anyone use it for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 01:20:39 No.32547910 Report

Quoted By: >>32548013

Fairy needs a nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 01:38:02 No.32548013 Report

Quoted By: >>32549679

>>32547910
Not before steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 01:45:03 No.32548054 Report

Quoted By: >>32550395

>>32546133

Fighting really did need the nerf. It was way too easy to just spam close combat. Then fighting types often had fantastic movepools, it's counters were meh (flying types had to choose from hurricane or air slash, psychic types were mediocre, especially after knock off buff). It wasn't disgustingly broken, but I'm glad fairy is at least resistant to fighting.

Now why the fuck did they use fairy to nerf dark and bug?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 01:49:33 No.32548089 Report

Quoted By: >>32548201

>>32546077
Where is mega lucario in all this? Limbo still?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 02:05:10 No.32548184 Report

Quoted By: >>32550395 >>32551370

Fairy didn't kill fighting types. Gamefreak just loves to make shitty slow fat fighting types which are terrible now. Those fighting types used to be amazing since they could take a hit and OHKO something back but the power creep has become so insane they can't do that. When you look at the fighting types that are actually fast there actually decent in ou or broken. Anyone who thinks fighting types didn't need a nerf never played 5th gen. There were only 3 good defensive psychic types, Reuniclus, Celebi, and Slowbro. Celebi couldn't even afford to run psychic move half the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 02:07:44 No.32548201 Report

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>>32548089
Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 02:08:17 No.32548207 Report

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>>32547137
Anyone have the Gen 6 one? The one with Mega-Salamance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 02:08:53 No.32548208 Report

Quoted By: >>32550395 >>32550440

I am OK with this. Fighting type dominance was annoying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 02:36:36 No.32548363 Report

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>>32547143
>fails to break past things like Celesteela
Celesteela won't enjoy taking a Swords Danced Continental Crush.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 02:47:08 No.32548419 Report

Quoted By: >>32548466

>>32546077
Machamp with seismic toss substitute mega punch and double team kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 02:54:52 No.32548453 Report

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I want marshadow to fuck me in the ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 02:57:04 No.32548460 Report

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>>32547143
>and fails to break past things like Celesteela
What?
Standard Specially Defensive Celesteela is 2HKOed by itemless Terrakion's Close Combat after SR damage on the switch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 02:58:17 No.32548466 Report

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>>32548419

>no guard pokemon using evasion

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 03:45:40 No.32548717 Report

Quoted By: >>32549152 >>32549184

Is Steel good now?
Can I run my waifu mega Aggron somewhere?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 04:03:38 No.32548814 Report

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>>32546374
kek you're right, 100% in gen 5
seriously, fuck that air flinch

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 05:11:37 No.32549152 Report

Quoted By: >>32549184

>>32548717
>Is Steel good now?
>now
>Can I run my waifu mega Aggron somewhere?
No because Aggronite hasn't been released for Gen VII yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 05:15:35 No.32549184 Report

Quoted By: >>32549241

>>32548717
>>32549152
Actually you can use her in balanced hackmons since it is possible to hack in megastones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 05:20:47 No.32549207 Report

Quoted By: >>32549224 >>32549230

>>32547536
Clearly you don't play OU, or competitive at all for that matter. There is no real way to deal with Lele other than Mega Metagross, and guess who was recently banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 05:25:43 No.32549224 Report

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>>32549207
>what is magearna
>what is jirachi
>what is A-muk
Lele will without a doubt be suspected, and likely banned. But saying metageoss was it's only counter is strait up a lie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 05:28:06 No.32549230 Report

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>>32549207
if that's true then how come i've been using assault vest magearna to check lele for the past several months

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 05:29:52 No.32549241 Report

Quoted By: >>32549254

>>32549184
Isn't Registeel better there because of all the devastating Special attackers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 05:30:21 No.32549244 Report

Quoted By: >>32550395

>>32546077
There's plenty in Ubers. Fighting is a ridiculously good type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 05:31:36 No.32549252 Report

Quoted By: >>32549268

muk cant take 2 spec moon blast
but lele is usually scarf

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 05:31:54 No.32549254 Report

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>>32549241
Probably, yeah. But it's the only format where it can be used right now since it is unreleased.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 05:35:14 No.32549268 Report

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>>32549252
Run Assvest
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 16 SpD Assault Vest Muk-Alola: 169-199 (40.8 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Although, if it is specs it should be easy to revenge kill if muk somehow dies. It's mostly scarf that people complain about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 06:27:10 No.32549468 Report

Quoted By: >>32549511 >>32549525 >>32549551 >>32549583 >>32549611 >>32549697

Water is now weak to Ice.
Drill Run, High Horse Power, Mud moves, and Bone Moves now hit Flying Types but don't add Knock Down like TA.
Fairy's strength to Bugs is changed to a weakness.
Steel Types now have a calculation that doubles the chance they'll freeze when hit with an Ice move

Enjoy your Gen 8 Meta fags

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 06:37:30 No.32549511 Report

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>>32549468
>buffing Bug and Ice
>making Grass even more shit

Congrats you fucked it all up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 06:39:51 No.32549525 Report

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>>32549468

good job retard more rng cancer was exactly what competitive pokémon needed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 06:43:38 No.32549551 Report

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>>32549468
>buffing ice offensively
This is a water type buff, especially now that water types can beat other water types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 06:48:12 No.32549574 Report

Quoted By: >>32549624

>>32547051
It's hilarious that the set I was using, timid and naive z focus blast since the beginning is the one that broke the camel's back.

People were telling me it was shit, to wich I replied that people expected something else hence my success with it on cartridge play.

Phero has almost no movepool, yet it is enough to work and break what it needs to remove and threaten offense like no other Pokémon can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 06:51:20 No.32549583 Report

Quoted By: >>32549610

>>32549468
Ice cannot be super effective vs water.

That's a shity meme that needs to die, heath capacity, learn about the concept and then laugh at yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 06:52:03 No.32549589 Report

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>>32546077
Should've at least mentioned Breloom, most likely fighting type to move to OU.
Especially if Lele gets banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 06:56:54 No.32549610 Report

Quoted By: >>32549657

>>32549583

>water can't be weak to ice because of stuff in the real world

ignoring that pokémon is a game about fantasy monsters, making decisions that would effect gameplay balance based on how things interact in the real world is fucking retarded and would make the game even stupider than it already is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 06:57:01 No.32549611 Report

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>>32549468
>buffing Ice on the offensive side
>buffing U-Turn
>buffing Ground at all in any way, shape, or form
Absolutely the fuck not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 06:59:53 No.32549624 Report

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>>32549574
It's mostly because the set sounds terrible on paper. But proved to be good in practice.
People would go
>setting up when literally anything can one shot you
What people didn't realize was that Phero was amazing at forcing switches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:04:26 No.32549657 Report

Quoted By: >>32549674 >>32549684 >>32549686

>>32549610
Also you just buffed anything, and I mean ANYTHING that learns ice beam, including water types that can now muscle past themselves with ice beam.

Face it, you went full retard.

Heat capacity isn't just a a real life thingy. It's the most important quality of water as a molecule and the whole fucking reason life exists in this planet.

The ability to store energy and it's resistance to release it has shaped earth as we know it.

Fuck that meme, seriously. Ice cannot be super effective vs water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:08:09 No.32549674 Report

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>>32549657

i'm not the one that made that post with the balance changes, and you had no reason to believe i was you mouth breathing idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:09:28 No.32549679 Report

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>>32548013
>Steel meme
Anon, the only reason Steels are doing the work they are is because of Fairyshit. Steel is a shit type offensivly, that has not changed. What has is the fact that it happens to be the ONLY thing that can reliably fuck up fairies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:10:46 No.32549684 Report

Quoted By: >>32549711

>>32549657
Water is super effective against Ice, but Ice gains resistance to Ground, Grass, and Flying. Also, Water is weak to Poison now.

Satisfied?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:11:05 No.32549686 Report

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>>32549657

also, literally no one cares about whatever science trivia you know, and continuing to post more doesn't somehow refute the point that how things behave in the real world should not directly affect how the game should be balanced

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:11:41 No.32549688 Report

Quoted By: >>32549709

>>32546133
Fun fact, while Dragon was definitely the intention behind fairy in singles, VGC in gen V was being dominated by fighting types. Conkeldurr or Scrafty were basically in every team.

The following things happened to fuck fighting in gen VI:
Bravest Bird (Flying type STAB is now relevant, especially for scrafty)
Fairy type (especially Scafty)
Poisons rise to relevance (To resist fighting STAB)
Less relevant to SE Dark types (Fairy is now everywhere)

So yeah. Totally for dragons.

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Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:13:35 No.32549697 Report

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>>32549468
>Water is now weak to Ice.
Fuck no, Ice should gain resists to Water, Ground, Flying, and potentially Grass.

>Drill Run, High Horse Power, Mud moves, and Bone Moves now hit Flying Types but don't add Knock Down like TA.
Fuck no, the most that should happen is Bonemarang hits Flying. Ground could use a Fairy Resist though, and Grass a Fairy Immunity.

>Fairy's strength to Bugs is changed to a weakness.
Good choice. Or just neutral effectiveness

>Steel Types now have a calculation that doubles the chance they'll freeze when hit with an Ice move
No. That's retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:15:43 No.32549709 Report

Quoted By: >>32549731

>>32549688
Consider that the vast majority of Dragons not only learn Iron Head, but had the moveslot burning a hole in their pockets, since most of them went Set-Up, Dragon Stab, Coverage for Steel, Whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:15:45 No.32549711 Report

Quoted By: >>32549787

>>32549684
>making Ice weaker

No, Ice needs to be immune to Water

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:19:36 No.32549731 Report

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>>32549709
Plus how they made Mega Mence Flying STAB oriented to avoid it even bothering to need use Dragon STAB. It only needs one coverage move to hit steel/faries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:25:49 No.32549763 Report

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Basically as we all know the Fairy Type didn't balance shit. The Good Dragons stayed good because they had good BST, good movepools and good movepools and the bad ones stayed bad because even before Fairy Types Dragons were such a threat that most Pokemon had a way to deal with them so if you were an unoptimized dragon you were fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 07:32:54 No.32549787 Report

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>>32549711
It also blocks Fairies completely, alongside Grass and Bug.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 08:12:43 No.32549924 Report

Quoted By: >>32549933 >>32549945

And people still cried No Guard+Fissure from base 55 speed would be broken in the Fairy/Flying meta. Smdh

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Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 08:15:12 No.32549933 Report

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>>32549924
cry more Machampfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 08:18:21 No.32549945 Report

Quoted By: >>32549962

>>32549924
Wouldn't you be able to do dumb shit with it in doubles, what with Follow Me or Wide Guard or whatever?
Considering the boner GF has for doubles, it feels like they'd try to keep shit like that out for their meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 08:26:00 No.32549962 Report

Quoted By: >>32550056

>>32549945
And it still wont affect pokemon that are Flying, have Levitate, Sturdy or Air Balloon, all of which are already relevant and prominent in the meta. And before you tell me pokemon with these are susceptible to either Stone Edge or Dynamic Punch then congratulations! You just locked the opponent with that move instead of Fissure--unless of course people who would usually argue for Scarf on Machamp would suddenly forget that item when arguing about the combo being broken because it's convenient to their logic/scenario

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 08:39:15 No.32549995 Report

Quoted By: >>32551262

Why are people talking more about Lele getting banned then Greninja?

Lele at least has several switch ins, and you don't have to guess the set or lose the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 08:42:46 No.32549998 Report

Quoted By: >>32550020 >>32550041 >>32550395

>>32547051
>suspected again

They can't suspect things twice a gen, it's like the legal system.

The council does pull loopholes though, like when they were so butthurt that Mega Gengar didn't get banned from ubers that they immediately tried to ban Shadow Tag from all tiers in the next month's suspect.

So expect Arena Trap to get suspected in a later test.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 08:52:38 No.32550020 Report

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>>32549998
>So expect Arena Trap to get suspected in a later test.
Trapinch
;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 08:52:51 No.32550021 Report

Quoted By: >>32550031

Fairy-types run OU right now. Medicham and Heracross are the only two Fighting-types that are good in OU, just because they're stupid powerful as Megas. Don't use Buzzwole, it's literal shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 08:55:27 No.32550026 Report

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>>32546092
Heracross is already top level OU, it's just new. Lop will be top level OU again whenever it gets released. Gallade is shit tho, Medicham is better

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 08:58:43 No.32550031 Report

Quoted By: >>32550749

>>32550021
also Keldeo is top level OU but is UU by usage because ladder players are awful

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 09:03:12 No.32550041 Report

Quoted By: >>32550051

>>32549998
Why did you post this?
Deoxys-S was suspected twice in XY, M-Sableye was suspected twice in ORAS, and that's without mentioning BW which had:
>Excadrill - 5 suspects
>Latios - 4 Suspects
>Reuniclus - 4 suspects
>Drizzle - 3 suspects
>Drought - 3 suspects
>Thundurus - 3 Suspects

For anyone interested:
http://www.smogon.com/tiers/ou/ban_history
http://www.smogon.com/articles/xy-bans-history

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 09:07:22 No.32550051 Report

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>>32550041
I meant with the current system.

I actually wasn't aware Deoxys-S and M sableye both got suspected twice though, that's pretty fucking retarded.

I actually don't remember excadrill going through 5 suspects in gen 5, I remember it being removed within the first few months of the gen, but I don't know how suspects worked back then since it was fairly new at the time and I was really against them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 09:09:50 No.32550056 Report

Quoted By: >>32550305

>>32549962
>Levitate, Sturdy or Air Balloon
>relevant and prominent
fucking sub 1200 shitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 11:22:29 No.32550305 Report

Quoted By: >>32550392

>>32550056
>leaving out Flying types
fucking sub 1100 shitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 11:49:51 No.32550392 Report

Quoted By: >>32550396

>>32550305
Probably because flying types are always relevant?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 11:52:36 No.32550395 Report

Quoted By:

>>32548054
>>32548184
>>32548208
>>32549244
>>32549998

Stay Delusional

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 11:52:40 No.32550396 Report

Quoted By:

>>32550392
well then the point of contention is null since the argument was Flying types + all the other factors = dominating the meta, and not just those three that were quoted

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 12:10:58 No.32550440 Report

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>>32548208

And now we have Fairy-type dominace. Different cancer, same problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 16:55:41 No.32550736 Report

Quoted By: >>32550741

>it's another thread for fightingfags to complain
Stop bitching, Fighting was busted in gen V it deserved a nerf. Many OP megas are fighting type, in OU or Ubers. You have no right to whine so much and often.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 16:58:08 No.32550741 Report

Quoted By: >>32550763

>>32550736
t. fairyfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 16:59:57 No.32550749 Report

Quoted By: >>32550763

>>32550031
It's only because the servers exploded and usage stats haven't been updated in months.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 17:02:51 No.32550763 Report

Quoted By: >>32550769 >>32550799 >>32550819 >>32550838

>>32550741
I'm a rockfag, I'm glad Fighting types and their high-power perfect accuracy moves got nerfed.
>>32550749
I thought it was only temporary, it's still not working ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 17:04:20 No.32550766 Report

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asdasd

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 17:05:45 No.32550769 Report

Quoted By: >>32550783 >>32550838

>>32550763
The data from those months was lost and nobody knows what to do. i think a sample size of May stats are going to be what comes next.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 17:09:45 No.32550783 Report

Quoted By:

>>32550769
I guess it's not that bad if they just lost the data. At least the servers still work. Next data will have no Phero and less Megagross.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 17:13:22 No.32550799 Report

Quoted By: >>32550828

>>32550763
So basically you're glad that a type that's SE agains your favorite type got nerfed. Sounds legit.

Also HJK > Close Combat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 17:19:30 No.32550819 Report

Quoted By: >>32550828

>>32550763
>I'm a rockfag, I'm glad Fighting types and their high-power perfect accuracy moves got nerfed.
You say that like they don't have drawbacks like lowering the stats of the user

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 17:21:44 No.32550828 Report

Quoted By: >>32551104

>>32550799
Pretty much. I always found it unfair how Rock's best move was Stone Miss while Fighting has Close Combat, HJK, Superpower, Hammer Arm, Jump Kick, Low Kick in Ubers, Drain Punch.
Rock is not even better defensively than Fighting.
>>32550819
They're often more powerful and the drawbacks are less bad than plain missing. you don't care about defenses drops when you just OHKOd your opponent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 17:25:02 No.32550838 Report

Quoted By: >>32550850 >>32550857

>>32550769
>>32550763
Apparently they've worked things out
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/march-stats.3600723/page-2#post-7354941

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 17:28:41 No.32550850 Report

Quoted By:

>>32550838
That's good news

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 17:30:12 No.32550857 Report

Quoted By:

>>32550838
Nice. I need this to shitpost. Also see how my boys Ttar and Volcarona do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 18:57:39 No.32551104 Report

Quoted By:

>>32550828

I bet you bitch about Water, Steel, and Ground too. Rock is still shit, whether Fighting is nerfed or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 19:40:30 No.32551262 Report

Quoted By:

>>32549995
Because /vp/ is absolutely terrible at competitive pokemon.
They'd rather complain about le fairy boogiemen than about how Greninja legitimately has no switchings. Lele will get suspected, but Greninja is a much bigger problem right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2017 19:52:50 No.32551370 Report

Quoted By:

>>32548184
>Reuniclus was better than latias

What did he mean by that?

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