>>32577778They are still decent and among the strongest (pure) fighting types but they definitely got left behind by the meta.
Introduction of Fairies, faster and stronger Flying types, bulkier amd/or stronger Fighting types with their own new toys and techniques, not to mention Machamp is indirectly nerfed due to confusion nerf
Machamp needs his BST retweaked and Steadfast needs to be replaced with something like Stamina or Defiant to open up new niches. Conkeldurr is still decent but only just.
If I can adjust their BSTs as wishful thinking, I'd change their total from 505 to at least 525
Machamp gets +20 to Attack for 150 base, his Special Attack gets reduced from 65 to 35 and the 30 points are redistributed to HP (+15), Defense (+10) and Special Defense (+5)
Conkeldurr will have his Defense boosted by 20 points.
This way, Machamp becomes geared offensively with well rounded bulk while Conkeldurr becomes an even better physical tank while keeping his recovery advantage and STAB priority
I chose not to give them megas because unless the megas are incredibly great, they would face stiff competition with pre-existing fighting type megas (nevermind that there are excellent megas of other types too)
But since BST fix is kinda delusional, throwing in Dynamic Punch base power boost from 100 to 120 and giving the guy a physical quiver dance would already do small wonders.
I'd keep Drain Punch limited to whoever has them now. I don't want Bewear entrenching on Conkeldurr's niche.
No offense to fans of other fighting types, I just think these two are among the best representatives of the type's brute strength AND mastery of technique, not to mention their aesthetics are what sets the type apart from other types even if they usually get hated for it.
