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Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 22:34:13 No.32595181 View View Reply Original Report

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Uber
Lunala
Solgaleo
Pheromosa

OU
Toxapex
Mimikyu
Tapu Fini
Tapu Lele
Tapu Koko
Tapu Bulu
Nihilego
Celesteela
Kartana
Magearna
Alola Marowak

Dropped from OU Usage
Buzzwole
Xurkitree
Alola Muk

UU
Decidueye
Primarina
Bewear
Tsareena
Alola Ninetales

RU
Araquanid
Salazzle
Comfey
Golisopod
Bruxish
Dhelmise
Kommo-o

NU
Incineroar
Toucannon
Gumshoos
Vikavolt
Crabominable
Oricorio
Ribombee
Lycanroc (Both)
Wishiwashi
Mudsdale
Lurantis
Shiinotic
Oranguru
Passimian
Palossand
Pyukumuku
Silvally
Minior
Komala
Turtonator
Togedemaru
Drampa
Guzzlord
Necrozma
Alola Raticate
Alola Persian
Alola Exeggutor
Alola Raichu
Alola Golem
Alola Dugtrio
Alola Sandslash

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 22:40:09 No.32595211 Report

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Slow
Crippled movesets lacking crucial and basic moves that make sense for both competitive and flavor
Slow
Cool abilities with next to no way to exploit them properly
Slow
Boring monotypes everywhere despite dex entries giving perfect reasons for interesting dual-types
Slow
Pathetically low BST
Slow
Horrible BST spreads where nothing excels and everything is average (except speed)
Slow

Notice how everything that is OU or more manages to avoid at least half of these caveats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 22:46:31 No.32595241 Report

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>>32595181
They made them either stupidly OP and meta-defining or complete shit, with very few in the middle

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 22:48:06 No.32595246 Report

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>>32595181
>Pokemon has interesting ability
>interesting ability neuters Pokemon's competitive potential
>Pokemon wouldn't even be that great without the neutering ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 22:51:41 No.32595258 Report

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It's going to get worst. Many pokemon in the tier they are now will eventually decrease.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 22:57:10 No.32595285 Report

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We're going to have a new tier added this gen, aren't we?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 23:01:21 No.32595306 Report

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>>32595181
1/2 is power creep and fairy dominance pushing several former OU/Dark/Fighting types into UU and those mons pushing UU into RU and so forth.
The other half is most of those mons having horrible stat distributions or having hindering abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 23:01:29 No.32595307 Report

Quoted By: >>32595332 >>32595391 >>32598455 >>32599309 >>32599352

Designer of common alola mon:
>It has be strong, but vulnerable. Flawed, but usable.

>Designer of UBs and Tapus:
>This is my original Pokemon, Blameroo, it's Bug/Gun type and it has 150 base speed and knows Ice Beam, Geomancy and Super Baton Pass, its ability is Double Intimidate and it has twenty viable sets and can pressure all of its checks and it has no counters because it is a powerful Pokemon but it has weak defense so it's balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 23:05:16 No.32595332 Report

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>>32595307
Don't forget about Marshadow, the most min-maxed piece of shit since Garchomp.

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy Wed 24 May 2017 23:10:38 No.32595350 Report

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>>32595332
You don't know what "min-maxed" means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 23:19:43 No.32595376 Report

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>>32595181
Is Game Freak terminally retarded yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 23:19:49 No.32595377 Report

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>>32595332
Tee Bee Ach it still kinda bothers me when event legends AREN'T good enough to be Ubers in their debut generations. It's like why even lock them behind time-sensitive distros if they can't massively out-perform regular sub-legendaries and pseudos?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 23:21:14 No.32595389 Report

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>>32595350
You don't know what "Alomomola" means

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 23:21:29 No.32595391 Report

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>>32595307
>>32595332
And ofcourse don't forget the auto terrains that also give a free attack buff to three of the tapu's primary typings along with helpful side effects and one that fucks over priority completely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 23:28:02 No.32595418 Report

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>>32595181
How the fuck did Necrozma fall to NU?
It did fairly well once the games were released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 23:30:43 No.32595431 Report

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>>32595418
It can't do shit to dark-types

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2017 23:57:19 No.32595558 Report

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>>32595181
UB Beasts were a mistake, I fucking hate em.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 00:38:17 No.32595807 Report

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>>32595181
>Vikavolt
>Drampa
slow
>Oricorio
>Ribombee
>Minior
low BST
>wishiwashi
meme ability, gf should have make an item for it to change forms, not that stupid gimmick
>Pyukumuku
taunt bait
>Shiinotic
slow+Low HP

the rest deserve their fate

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 00:48:23 No.32595871 Report

Quoted By: >>32599105

>>32595807
Drampa's fine being slow, it fits with the design of a "grandpa dragon". The problem with it is that it has no bulk. Promote it to pseudo status with a couple of prevos that get slower as they evolve and pump most of the extra 115 BST into defenses and it'd be fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 07:53:26 No.32597965 Report

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It's not just that things are slow, it's that they don't really have that high stats either. So many Pokemon in Alola hover around the 470 range, which is simply not good enough unless you're minmaxed to perfection or have a godly ability.

Meanwhile, some of the UBs were minmaxed so well they invalidate everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 08:05:59 No.32597991 Report

Quoted By: >>32598011

>tfw Tsareena became my favorite pokes.
It's sad GF can't really balance for shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 08:14:21 No.32598011 Report

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>>32597991
Tsareena is okay though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 08:15:21 No.32598016 Report

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>>32598011
Pure Grass type really fuck her over desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 09:49:34 No.32598337 Report

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>>32598016
Would being part-Fighting make Tsareena better or worse?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 09:52:47 No.32598349 Report

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>>32598337
Less weakness at least and access to better move would be pretty swell, though Trop Kick is deceptively good with its minus attack.

Grass just have so much weakness that's it's hard to justify using a pure type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 10:11:07 No.32598455 Report

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>>32595307
4chan gold

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 10:12:44 No.32598463 Report

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>>32595558
Either this or Smogon and its users being so fucked in the head as to not banning them outright.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 10:18:52 No.32598492 Report

Quoted By: >>32600722

>>32598463
>Nihilego
Walled to hell by steel and ground types, decent otherwise.
>Pheromosa
Most broken UB by a significant margin, eventually banned.
>Buzzwole
Talks about putting it in D rank in the OU viability ranking currently going on.
>Xurkitree
Only kept alive by Baton Pass.
>Celesteela
Second best UB, it's pretty good, but has significant flaws to be exploited.
>Kartana
Would be broken if not for its shit movepool.
>Guzzlord
lol

I agree, fuck Smogon! They should have banned all of them!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 10:19:28 No.32598497 Report

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>>32598463
You're retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 10:19:34 No.32598498 Report

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>>32595181
Too many fags wanting all the mons to be special snowflake ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 10:57:43 No.32598663 Report

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>>32598349
>best wall and pivot in OU is a pure grass type
Mmh...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 12:38:35 No.32599056 Report

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>>32595285
PU, below NU, was already added last gen. NU is in Alpha right now though so no PU yet.

But yes, FU might go from an OM to official.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 12:49:57 No.32599105 Report

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>>32595871
>add 115 bst and it'll be fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 13:23:13 No.32599211 Report

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25% of the mons are legendary

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 13:28:07 No.32599227 Report

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>>32599211

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 13:50:52 No.32599309 Report

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>>32595307
Gay post but also 100% true

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 13:58:28 No.32599352 Report

Quoted By: >>32599405 >>32600551

>>32595307
>people still complain about UBs when only two are good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 14:09:07 No.32599405 Report

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>>32599352
The "bad" ones are still better than a vast majority of pokemon guzzlord withstanding.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 14:27:21 No.32599480 Report

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>Crestela
They taught making Skarmory bulkier with special attack and leech seed was ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 14:54:18 No.32599604 Report

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>>32599480
At least it lost Roost

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 14:56:32 No.32599616 Report

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>>32599480
>no recovery
>no SR
>no spikes
>no whirlwind
Next you'll say Kartana is a better ferrothorn

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 14:58:37 No.32599624 Report

Quoted By: >>32599648

Smogon tiering structure is garbage that's why

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 15:01:36 No.32599648 Report

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>>32599624
This.
brohoof /)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 15:05:09 No.32599666 Report

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>>32595181
Legends = broke
Regular mons = shitmons (unless they stall)
UBs = wide range

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 16:13:43 No.32599963 Report

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>>32599056
PU was only added in Gen VI?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 16:21:44 No.32600011 Report

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>>32595807
Pyukumuku is still pretty decent tho. Being forced to struggle vs taunt doesn't matter when most walls need to switch out of taunt anyways.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 16:24:23 No.32600027 Report

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I will

FOREVER

BE

FURIOUS

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 16:35:45 No.32600086 Report

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>>32598349
>Less weakness
>Pure Grass has 5 weakensess
>Fighting/Grass has 6 weakensess alongside doubling a weakness
>Less

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 17:34:58 No.32600373 Report

Quoted By: >>32600538

>>32595181
pokemon ruined by it's gimmicks like golisopod
pokemon ruined by it's stats like aquaranid and decidueye
pokemon with good offensive types being bulky slow attackers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:02:29 No.32600538 Report

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>>32600373
Decidueye is UU tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:04:43 No.32600551 Report

Quoted By: >>32600676

>>32599352
>Nihilego
>Celesteela
>Pheromosa
>Only 2 are good
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:11:47 No.32600585 Report

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>>32598463
>Celesteela is good, Nihilego is ok, rest are garbage
>Why smogon no ban all of them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:17:40 No.32600639 Report

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>>32595181
Too many fucking 1 and 2 stage mon. Also really shitty movepools and speed for the most part

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:23:15 No.32600676 Report

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>>32600551
Phero is banned so it doesn't count

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:28:22 No.32600702 Report

Quoted By: >>32600711

>>32595181
>UU
>Decidueye

aha, ok, it's RU as incineroar

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:29:39 No.32600711 Report

Quoted By: >>32600860

>>32600702
>Incineroar
>RU
PFFFFFFFFFFHAHAHAHAH

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:31:43 No.32600722 Report

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>>32598492
Considering Buzzwole has to deal with Tapus, Magearna, Toxapex, Celesteela, and Landorus-T with Z-Fly, is it a wonder that Buzzwole is being considered for D rank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:33:08 No.32600732 Report

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>>32595181
In general: No speed, shit abilities. Gen 5 ruined Pokemon due to excessive power creep and Cumstache Genies.

>Dropped from OU Usage
>Buzzwole
Slow but perfectly usable in OU. It mainly fell due to Smogon needing to update their standards for OU as they have been the same since Gen 4, there are more Pokemon now so they need to make OU bigger.
>Xurkitree
-Slow and no good moves
>Alola Muk
Similar to Buzzwole

>UU
>Decidueye
Surprised its this high
>Primarina
Godly defensive typing
>Bewear
Makes sense
>Tsareena
Surprised its this high
>Alola Ninetales
Scizor used bullet punch!

>RU
>Araquanid
Fine
>Salazzle
Fine
>Comfey
Fine
>Golisopod
Shit ability, if it had anything else it would be UU minimum
>Bruxish
Fine
>Dhelmise
I think its better than Decidueye
>Kommo-o
Shit movepool, odd stats, Fairy weekness. Kommo-o needs Shell Smash and/or Drain Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:49:43 No.32600822 Report

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>>32600732
>>Xurkitree
>Slow and no good moves
Nigga are you for real? Thunderbolt, Energyball, Z-Hypnosis, Z-Electric Terrain, and Tail Glow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:51:13 No.32600832 Report

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>>32600732
>Slow but perfectly usable in OU.
I wouldn't call a pokemon that's C+ on the VR "perfectly usable". Buzzwole is ranked lower than some NU pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 18:55:03 No.32600860 Report

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>>32600711

because incineroar is RU many people are using him, to be honest I can't tell if there's even anything below RU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 19:48:24 No.32601195 Report

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>>32600732
>I think its better than Decidueye
It's not, and we've been over this. When it was in UU, Dhelmise was completely worthless thanks to Deci and Tsareena shitting all over its potential.

I love Dhelmise a ton, but you need to accept its placement. It will never be better than Decidueye unless it gets a recovery move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2017 19:51:55 No.32601217 Report

Quoted By: >>32604194

>>32600732
Shell Smash Kommo-O would be banned. Its movepool and stats are precisely because it was designed for shell smash, then changed at the last second.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 May 2017 03:34:02 No.32604194 Report

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>>32601217
No it would be OU at best

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