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Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 08:38:03 No.32632951 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>32633009 >>32633070 >>32633123 >>32633209 >>32633231 >>32633377

It will soon join Regigigas, won't it?
What went so goddamn wrong and is there any way humanly possible to uncuck this poor thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 09:10:02 No.32633009 Report

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>>32632951
No, that thing is way too bulky for NU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 09:37:22 No.32633070 Report

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>>32632951
Aura Sphere, Signal Beam or Dazzling Gleam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 09:50:35 No.32633103 Report

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Prism Armor actually benefits it rather than hinders it, so it'll never sink to the level of Regigigas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 09:52:41 No.32633109 Report

Quoted By: >>32633144

I didn't follow the competitive scene. Why is Necrozma supposedly so bad? Besides being a mono-psychic type, I mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 09:59:25 No.32633123 Report

Quoted By: >>32633144

>>32632951
No. It has STAB Psycho Cut and Brick Break for Dark or Steel types. It also has 2 setup options and good bulk for PU/NU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 10:05:13 No.32633144 Report

Quoted By: >>32633187 >>32633302 >>32633422

>>32633109
The only three moves Necrozma can use when up against a Dark type are Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave and Toxic. The latter two can be invalidated by Substitute or Taunt, at which point Necrozma is a sitting duck that lets your opponent do whatever he wants, like set pebbles or boost his attack and sweep your team. It's even worse for offensive variants (Calm Mind / Rock Polish) - opponent can hard switch their Dark type into it with no consequences whatsoever, unless you predict that and switch to your own Fighting type wallbreaker.

>>32633123
Physical Necrozma is terrible, with weak Attack stat and low BP moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 10:16:12 No.32633187 Report

Quoted By: >>32633272

>>32633144
>107 Attack
>Weak

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 10:22:09 No.32633209 Report

Quoted By: >>32633430

>>32632951
Tbh Necrozma got a far better start than Zygarde and hopefully its alt form won't be an ability gimmick

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 10:22:34 No.32633211 Report

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>Putting more legendaries in weaker tiers
Yes, we really need a Landerous T of PU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 10:26:33 No.32633231 Report

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>>32632951
At least it had its 5 minutes of fame when Baton Pass was still allowed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 10:40:24 No.32633272 Report

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>>32633187

it is when it can't be boosted without items.

sub 120 base stats don't mean much anymore when the average OU stat is 120+

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 10:41:42 No.32633277 Report

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It's too powerful for OU at +1
:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 10:41:54 No.32633280 Report

Quoted By: >>32633296 >>32633298

>>32633272
>What is Baton Pass + Sword Dance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 10:45:12 No.32633296 Report

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>>32633280
A band strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 10:46:58 No.32633298 Report

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>>32633280
A banned strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 10:48:44 No.32633302 Report

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>>32633144
107 attack is good enough for lower tiers. 90BP STAB and a 75BP move that covers both of its weakness is good enough for lower tiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 11:14:33 No.32633377 Report

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>>32632951
Thousand Prisms

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 11:28:41 No.32633422 Report

Quoted By: >>32633432 >>32634169

>>32633144
>The only three moves Necrozma can use when up against a Dark type are Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave and Toxic
Why not just fucking use Hidden Power?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 11:34:20 No.32633430 Report

Quoted By: >>32633489

>>32633209
>Tbh Necrozma got a far better start than Zygarde
gen 6 zygarde was way better than necrozma is now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 11:34:29 No.32633432 Report

Quoted By: >>32633452 >>32633545

>>32633422
>60 base power non-stab move coming off fucking 127 base spa
it does nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 11:36:24 No.32633437 Report

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Like Glalie, Necrozma is only bad under Smogon's metagame. It's a perfect Baton Pass recipient, but Smogon just banned that move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 11:43:14 No.32633452 Report

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>>32633432
Tell that to Magnezone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 11:46:20 No.32633457 Report

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>>32633452
Zone runs HP fire specifically for the 4x weak Scizor and Ferrothorn after trapping them, it doesn't use it on anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 12:01:00 No.32633489 Report

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>>32633430
>inb4 le smogon fanfic meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 12:05:35 No.32633502 Report

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>>32633272
necrozma have sd

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 12:07:16 No.32633508 Report

Quoted By: >>32634224 >>32634253

>>32633457
The only commonly used Dark types in OU worth shitting your pants over if you're using Necrozma are Bisharp and Tyranitar. Both of which are going to be comitting suicide if you run HP Fighting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 12:22:16 No.32633545 Report

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>>32633432
Actually impossible to do this because atlleast 3 perfect ivs means hp fighting is impossible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 15:28:17 No.32634169 Report

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>>32633422
HP Fighting is currently illegal because of IV fuckery.
HP Fairy doesn't exist because lol GF.
HP Bug is mediocre as hell because lol Bug. Hidden Power in general is only good when hitting 4x weak targets because of its pathetic base power and the only Dark types 4x weak to it are Hoopa-U (OU, possibly Uber soon), Malamar (lol) and Cacturne (lol). Out of 11 Dark types between UU and RU three (Bisharp, Honchkrow and Mandibuzz) are neutral to HP Bug and just straight up murder the poor Necrozma.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 15:42:23 No.32634224 Report

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>>32633508
252 SpA Necrozma Hidden Power Fighting vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 176-208 (51.4 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

That is, of course, with 252 Sp. Atk EVs, which that necrozma set would never run. Realistically, it'd look more like:

0 SpA Necrozma Hidden Power Fighting vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 144-172 (42.1 - 50.2%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 May 2017 15:48:53 No.32634253 Report

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>>32633508
Don't forget that HP Fighting is impossible to get on Legendary Pokemon now. As >>32634169 said

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