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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 00:48:18 No.32650746 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>32650750 >>32650753 >>32650768 >>32650833 >>32650981 >>32650996 >>32651110 >>32651686 >>32653252 >>32653564 >>32654759 >>32655321 >>32657846 >>32657869

How do we fix Nidoking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 00:49:04 No.32650750 Report

Quoted By:

>>32650746
If you touch him I'll kill you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 00:49:42 No.32650753 Report

Quoted By: >>32651398 >>32653445

>>32650746
I like Nidoking, but you fucks had +10 BST from Gen 6 and benefited from the Fairy onslaught, learn to count your blessings

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 00:52:54 No.32650768 Report

Quoted By: >>32658786

>>32650746
one toe is ugly, two toes are sexy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 00:53:50 No.32650776 Report

Quoted By: >>32650805

+20 SPA and sheer force buff NOW

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 00:54:49 No.32650780 Report

Quoted By: >>32650796 >>32650818 >>32650833 >>32650851

Why can Nidoking breed but not Nidoqueen?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 00:57:12 No.32650796 Report

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>>32650780
Nidololi pussy 2gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 00:58:15 No.32650805 Report

Quoted By: >>32651446

>>32650776
>buffing Landorus
pls no

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:01:04 No.32650818 Report

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>>32650780

I get all the other gender differences between the two but why DOES Nidoking have those sock feet while Nidoqueen has normal monster ones?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:02:34 No.32650824 Report

Quoted By: >>32651420 >>32651459 >>32651551 >>32655184

I feel bad for Nidoqueen, she lives in nidokings shadow because she's literally a shittier version of him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:03:28 No.32650833 Report

Quoted By: >>32650842 >>32656884

>>32650746
>>32650780
Someone should invert the colors on these two for fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:04:36 No.32650842 Report

Quoted By: >>32650848

>>32650833
>invert
fug, I mean swap

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:05:22 No.32650848 Report

Quoted By: >>32656884

>>32650842
Just peep nidokings shiny

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:05:49 No.32650851 Report

Quoted By: >>32653130

>>32650780
They only breed with each other as Nidoran

Nidorina and Nidoqueen protect the Nidoran

Nidorino and Nidoking go out to claim territoy and rape those who refuse to leave

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:30:02 No.32650981 Report

Quoted By: >>32651004

>>32650746
Well, you could give it some physical moves that benefit from Sheer Force, like Gunk Shot, or you could swap its attack and special attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:32:25 No.32650996 Report

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>>32650746
gunkshot so it can run mixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:33:44 No.32651004 Report

Quoted By: >>32651010 >>32651021

>>32650981
Its Attack isn't that much higher than its Special Attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:35:22 No.32651010 Report

Quoted By:

>>32651004
It's 15 points higher after the gen 6 buff. That's actually pretty significant

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:36:51 No.32651021 Report

Quoted By:

>>32651004
Still an improvement though. Maybe cut twenty points from one and put them into the other?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:56:56 No.32651110 Report

Quoted By: >>32651112

>>32650746
Gunk Shot and an extra foot and a half in height

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 01:58:09 No.32651112 Report

Quoted By: >>32651125 >>32651795

>>32651110
It's 1.40 m tall and weighs 62 kg. Isn't that enough?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 02:01:20 No.32651125 Report

Quoted By: >>32651900

>>32651112
For a big spiky monster it doesn't stand very tall

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 02:38:31 No.32651384 Report

Quoted By: >>32651391 >>32652215 >>32653241

Revert back to this design

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 02:39:13 No.32651391 Report

Quoted By:

>>32651384
That came out after the one in the OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 02:40:15 No.32651398 Report

Quoted By:

>>32650753

>Implying the attack buff helped when everyone uses it as a special attacker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 02:43:25 No.32651420 Report

Quoted By: >>32651459

>>32650824
Which says a lot, considering how lackluster Nidoking already is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 02:47:10 No.32651446 Report

Quoted By: >>32652111

>>32650805
>buff Lando
>gets banished to its rightful place in ubers
yes pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 02:49:52 No.32651459 Report

Quoted By: >>32651529

>>32650824
>>32651420
Please elaborate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 03:02:33 No.32651529 Report

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>>32651459
Nidoqueen's stats are more oriented towards defense but they're still pretty shoddy with an offensive move pool so might as well be as offensive as you can be which she loses out on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 03:05:57 No.32651551 Report

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>>32650824
Not really. Nidoqueen can fill a lot of roles that Nidoking can't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 03:08:48 No.32651571 Report

Quoted By: >>32651734 >>32654961

WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO THE CRIES?

https://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/cries/old/34.ogg
https://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/cries/34.ogg

https://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/cries/old/31.ogg
https://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/cries/31.ogg

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 03:15:16 No.32651607 Report

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hey guys, did you know nidoking has access to morning sun and lovely kiss? but this is only in gen 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 03:26:39 No.32651686 Report

Quoted By: >>32651795

>>32650746
Make him taller.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 03:34:17 No.32651734 Report

Quoted By: >>32653044 >>32653571 >>32654961 >>32655030

>>32651571
Updating cries was a mistake.
The ones I will never forgive GF for "fixing" are Pikachu and Kyogre, they got fugged beyond hope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 03:46:11 No.32651795 Report

Quoted By:

>>32651686
See >>32651112

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 04:05:28 No.32651900 Report

Quoted By: >>32651946 >>32652228

>>32651125
Not at all

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 04:17:50 No.32651946 Report

Quoted By: >>32653627

>>32651900
>YFW safari zone nidoking never could be cannon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 04:38:59 No.32652031 Report

Quoted By: >>32653322 >>32655061

Mega Nidoking
Poison/Ground
Sheer Force
Hp 85-85
Atk 102-122
Def 77-97
SpAtk 85-115
SpDef 75-85
Spd 85-105

How's that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 04:55:24 No.32652111 Report

Quoted By:

>>32651446
Lando is already Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 05:16:05 No.32652215 Report

Quoted By: >>32653138

>>32651384
It's the same design, except here he's pissed off and a little hunched over.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 05:18:25 No.32652228 Report

Quoted By:

>>32651900

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 09:36:48 No.32653044 Report

Quoted By: >>32654961

>>32651734
>Kyogre
FUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 10:14:32 No.32653130 Report

Quoted By:

>>32650851
W-will I get raped if i refuse to leave?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 10:18:03 No.32653138 Report

Quoted By: >>32653154

>>32652215
The plated armor, the sharper spikes, foot spikes. It's the little things in life, man.

People hate on the unnecessary spikes on Garchomp, Charizard, etc, but spikes are a major motif on this design, so why not emphasize them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 10:23:23 No.32653154 Report

Quoted By: >>32653170 >>32653177 >>32653261

>>32653138
The design in the OP is the original though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 10:31:27 No.32653170 Report

Quoted By: >>32653177

>>32653154
And that's a damn shame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 10:33:02 No.32653177 Report

Quoted By:

>>32653154
>>32653170
I will admit, the hands are awful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 10:53:39 No.32653241 Report

Quoted By: >>32653249

>>32651384
I miss official art actually looking good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 10:55:25 No.32653249 Report

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>>32653241
Its tail is fuckedup

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 10:56:35 No.32653252 Report

Quoted By: >>32653259

>>32650746
>Looks like and it is described Physical powerhouse
> It's special movepool is better and much more usefull

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 10:59:14 No.32653259 Report

Quoted By: >>32653265 >>32654804

>>32653252
SO I suggest:
Give him + 10 HP +20 att - 20 sp att
Give Him Poison Tail and Iron tail as LVL up moves
(It dex says it attacks with tail as its main wapon)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 11:00:56 No.32653261 Report

Quoted By:

>>32653154
The design that the Anon posted came out later but I don't know when. When The Pokémon Company advertised the Virtual Console releases last year, they used the set of artwork from the OP in Japan, which came out with Red and Green in 1996, and used the set of artwork from the one that Anon posted for the Western promotions.

Red and Blue in the West already used the artwork from the later set back in 1998 in their box art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 11:01:53 No.32653265 Report

Quoted By: >>32653268

>>32653259
I also noticed they fucked up its sprites - on ears and backspikes
In front it's always shwon with 2-3 rows of spikes
>Back has only one row

????

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 11:02:56 No.32653268 Report

Quoted By: >>32653286

>>32653265
Which games are you talking about?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 11:09:24 No.32653286 Report

Quoted By: >>32653298 >>32653309

>>32653268

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 11:12:18 No.32653298 Report

Quoted By:

>>32653286
It's Poliwhirl hands ALL OVER AGAIN

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 11:15:32 No.32653309 Report

Quoted By:

>>32653286
Well, Nidoking's design changed though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 11:18:29 No.32653322 Report

Quoted By: >>32654937

>>32652031
you cant upgrade a mon in every category

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 11:49:43 No.32653445 Report

Quoted By: >>32654743

>>32650753
+10 Atk did fuck all for Nidoking because he's strictly a special attacker.
The stat buffs they did in gen VI are often pretty weird and inconsistent. For the Nidos, it seems they didn't like that they turned into special attackers with Sheer Force and tried to rectify that, but they failed because Nidoking's Earthquake is still weaker than his Earth Power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 12:21:12 No.32653552 Report

Quoted By: >>32653733 >>32654825

Just make him faster. That's all. Seriously, base 105 speed on his existing stat spread and move pool would be damn good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 12:25:49 No.32653564 Report

Quoted By: >>32654937

>>32650746
There's nothing wrong with Nidoking. Solid mon viable in competitive play. His stats are a bit low but fucking nothing wants to switch in to this guy. Great BP target, too.

That said, a Mega would be most welcome.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 12:28:10 No.32653571 Report

Quoted By: >>32658659

>>32651734
>Pikachu

Yeah, fuck gen 1, ruined the series.
Name cries have always been canon and will probably be implemented more fully when cartridge space ceases to be an issue

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 12:52:02 No.32653627 Report

Quoted By:

>>32651946
You confused canon with cannon, Anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 13:22:47 No.32653733 Report

Quoted By:

>>32653552
There you go, instant OU.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 14:12:08 No.32653865 Report

Quoted By: >>32654725

How do we fix Seadra?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 17:18:56 No.32654725 Report

Quoted By: >>32654965

>>32653865
Remove Kingdra and make Seadra Water/Dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 17:21:55 No.32654743 Report

Quoted By:

>>32653445

At least SM got more aggressive about stat buffs so maybe gen 8 will buff them properly.

Imagine if GF was willing to do outright rebalancing? They won't since kiddies will complain about certain mons having a stat go down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 17:26:46 No.32654759 Report

Quoted By:

>>32650746
He's a MANLET and they need to make him taller

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 17:35:34 No.32654804 Report

Quoted By:

>>32653259
I like special nidoking

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 17:39:53 No.32654825 Report

Quoted By: >>32655310

>>32653552
As much as I would like that, it doesn't look like it could be that fast. Some added buff could work

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 17:58:41 No.32654937 Report

Quoted By:

>>32653322
Yes you can.
Mega Salamence did it, for one. +50 Def, +20 Speed, +10 everything else.
>>32653564
>Great BP target
Where are you playing where BP to Nidoking is both legal and viable. I want to play there too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:04:51 No.32654961 Report

Quoted By: >>32655015

>>32651571
>>32651734
>>32653044
The newer ones sound better and are more consistent with newer gens, take off your nostalgiaglasses

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:05:17 No.32654965 Report

Quoted By: >>32655020

>>32654725
fuck you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:13:43 No.32655015 Report

Quoted By: >>32655047

>>32654961
You can't be serious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:15:40 No.32655020 Report

Quoted By:

>>32654965
Why? It'd be the best of both in one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:16:07 No.32655030 Report

Quoted By: >>32655066

>>32651734
At least Mega Kyogre sounds horrifyingly hilarious. Literally a fucking jet

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:18:47 No.32655045 Report

Quoted By:

I think Lampent had one of the worst cry "fixes" personally

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:19:08 No.32655047 Report

Quoted By: >>32655069

>>32655015
I am 100% serious. They actual noise being made is basically identical, the only difference is they don't sound 8-bity and shit.

They shound more like animals and less electronic now, which is also more consistent with newer cries in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:21:18 No.32655061 Report

Quoted By: >>32655928

>>32652031
>Sheer Force without LO
Would it be worth it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:21:49 No.32655066 Report

Quoted By: >>32655282

>>32655030
>Mega Kyogre
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:22:51 No.32655069 Report

Quoted By: >>32655209

>>32655047
>They shound more like animals and less electronic now
It's actually the opposite.
>don't sound 8-bity and shit
You clearly have bad taste in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:44:19 No.32655184 Report

Quoted By:

>>32650824
you've clearly never played any lower tiers at all, having higher attacking stats does not make nidoking necessarily better

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:49:49 No.32655209 Report

Quoted By:

>>32655069
I didn't mean "8 bit is shit", "shit" in that sentence was meant to be synonymous with "stuff"

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 18:57:34 No.32655244 Report

Quoted By: >>32655321 >>32656786

>1000 posts
>LITERALLY nobody has mentioned Lovely Kiss
Give Nidoking his sleep move back.
>Sleep Powder without being a powder
It's a great way to punish predicted switches, and would be a competitive fourth move option alongside SR/Superpower/special coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 19:05:24 No.32655282 Report

Quoted By: >>32655288

>>32655066
Sorry, I'm retarded. I meant Primal Kyogre. I've got Fug on the brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 19:06:55 No.32655288 Report

Quoted By: >>32655398

>>32655282
But does Primal Kyogre have a distinct cry from regular Kyogre? I don't remember.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 19:11:54 No.32655310 Report

Quoted By:

>>32654825
I agree, but with things like miltank, slaking, tentacruel, purugly, etc. all being base 100 or more, anything is possible with pokemon logic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 19:14:02 No.32655321 Report

Quoted By: >>32655381

>>32650746
nintendo is trying to force physical nidoking
so why not
give it another +20 attack and some speed and it'll be what they want people to use it as
>>32655244
nigga das gay
no homo
KappaPride

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 19:16:04 No.32655336 Report

Quoted By: >>32655381

>Gunk Shot
>Drill Run, and Drill Run is now 90 BP and has a 5% chance to flinch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 19:23:54 No.32655381 Report

Quoted By:

>>32655321
>being so fucking manly that another straight guy fucking asleep by you kissing him
Nothing straighter desu
>>32655336
>Drill run updated to 50% defense drop
No reason not to

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 19:27:51 No.32655398 Report

Quoted By: >>32655414

>>32655288
Yes, all Megas and Primals get unique cries. Primal Kyogre's cry is right intimidating whereas regular Kyogre's cry is a wimpy screech.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 19:29:40 No.32655414 Report

Quoted By: >>32655424 >>32656679

>>32655398
Can I listen to it without playing the game?
>regular Kyogre's cry is a wimpy screech
https://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/cries/old/382.ogg
https://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/cries/382.ogg

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 19:31:30 No.32655424 Report

Quoted By:

>>32655414
I'm sure you could find it on Youtube or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 21:07:10 No.32655928 Report

Quoted By:

>>32655061
>252+ SpA Sheer Force Nidoking Flamethrower vs 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 336-396 (95.4 - 112.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
>252+ SpA Sheer Force Nidoking Flamethrower vs 252 HP / 252+ SpD Skarmory: 232-274 (69.4 - 82%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ SpA Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefable: 444-524 (112.6 - 132.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Maybe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 23:36:47 No.32656679 Report

Quoted By:

>>32655414
How can anyone defend this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jun 2017 23:53:42 No.32656786 Report

Quoted By:

>>32655244
I just can't see this big boy leaning in close and smooching a garchomp. It's weird.
Plus, it's OK to let jynx have one thing to set it apart from the rest. Nidoking is fine without it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 03 Jun 2017 00:09:06 No.32656884 Report

Quoted By:

>>32650833
see >>32650848

here's a nidoqueen color swap

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jun 2017 03:03:15 No.32657846 Report

Quoted By:

>>32650746

give it some Sheer Force-friendly STAB moves that run off it's Physical attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jun 2017 03:07:11 No.32657869 Report

Quoted By: >>32658464

>>32650746
Relentless.

Better bulk.

Maybe even a special item alá bone club.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jun 2017 05:07:30 No.32658464 Report

Quoted By:

>>32657869
>Bone Club
>item
Really made me think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jun 2017 05:55:04 No.32658659 Report

Quoted By: >>32658770

>>32653571
God I hope not, name cries are fucking retarded.
Yellow was the ugliest Gen I game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jun 2017 06:32:01 No.32658770 Report

Quoted By:

>>32658659
Explain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jun 2017 06:35:20 No.32658786 Report

Quoted By:

>>32650768
Underrated post.

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