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Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 01:16:43 No.32813620 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>32813636 >>32814108 >>32814147 >>32814274 >>32815154

>clearly design a Pokemon around Shell Smash with its low offenses and speed, low BP moves and defensive abilities
>remove Shell Smash at the last second and change nothing else

Is this the most cucked dragon since Flygon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 01:18:13 No.32813636 Report

Quoted By: >>32815265

>>32813620
>Is this the most cucked dragon since Flygon?
Yes but Flygon is still a bigger cuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 02:22:36 No.32814108 Report

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>>32813620
The reason they took away Shell Smash is because Ultra Kommo-o is going to wreck shit and they didn't want it to be too overwhelming.

Watch, it's going to get the Kartana treatment -- shit attacks but crazy stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 02:25:15 No.32814126 Report

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>Is this the most cucked dragon since Flygon?
That's like saying "Is this the most deadly terrorist attack since 9/11?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 02:27:44 No.32814147 Report

Quoted By: >>32815049

>>32813620
it's actually built around dragon dance and Clanging Scales is a red herring

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 02:41:35 No.32814274 Report

Quoted By: >>32815049 >>32815280 >>32815321

>>32813620
It doesn't have a shell.

It's covered in scales.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 04:46:46 No.32815049 Report

Quoted By: >>32815070 >>32815080 >>32815291

>>32814147
>>32814274
There was literally a Shell Smash Kommo-O in the battle tree before they patched it out a couple of months ago. Shell Smash was clearly part of its design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 04:48:30 No.32815061 Report

Quoted By: >>32815071

maybe it actually wasn't meant to have shell smash and the programmers made a mistake in giving it shell smash when it was meant to be some other move?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 04:50:22 No.32815070 Report

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>>32815049
This still makes me so sad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 04:50:28 No.32815071 Report

Quoted By: >>32815083

>>32815061
The shell smash set in question was programmed to hold a white herb, a common item on any shell smashing pokemon. Explain that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 04:53:20 No.32815080 Report

Quoted By: >>32815291

>>32815049
>before they patched it out a couple of months ago
Seems like it was a mistake that they were remedying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 04:54:32 No.32815083 Report

Quoted By: >>32815129

>>32815071
what other moves did the particular and other kommo-o have? i know all the sets used in the battle tree are posted somewhere online but idk where

but youre right i probaby cant explain that one

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:04:06 No.32815129 Report

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>>32815083
Outrage, I think. Can't recall the other two moves. It got patched a while ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:10:16 No.32815154 Report

Quoted By: >>32815241 >>32815269 >>32815531

>>32813620
Is Game Freak afraid of making another Garchomp? It feels like other pseudolegendaries peaked around that point, and they've since been average.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:24:17 No.32815241 Report

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>>32815154
Considering how Garchomp still manages to be one of the best despite years of power creep and the introduction of fairy type, I'd say yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:28:07 No.32815265 Report

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>>32813636
Honestly thought Flygon was Bug/Dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:28:57 No.32815269 Report

Quoted By: >>32815545

>>32815154
Hydriegon was good at first after garchomp but the introduction of fairies ruined it completely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:30:36 No.32815280 Report

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>>32814274
But much headcanon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:32:56 No.32815291 Report

Quoted By: >>32815298

>>32815049
>>32815080
what if shell smash is a tutor in USUM. That would be nice, they could give it to pokemon like metapod and kakuna and silcoon/cascoon and turtanator and shelgon and pupitar and kingler and samurott and glalie and chestnaught and type:null and...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:34:14 No.32815298 Report

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>>32815291
Im actually shocked chesnaught hasnt got it given its design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:37:03 No.32815321 Report

Quoted By: >>32815380 >>32815429

>>32814274
Neither does barbaricle. didn't stop it from learning shell smash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:48:58 No.32815380 Report

Quoted By: >>32815402

>>32815321
Hey buddy, do you know what a barnacle is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:52:29 No.32815402 Report

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>>32815380
What a barnacle brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 05:58:10 No.32815429 Report

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>>32815321
To be fair quite a few things with shells don't learn Shell Smash. I think it's more of a balance issue than anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 06:16:02 No.32815531 Report

Quoted By: >>32815570

>>32815154
I don't even see it being OP in VGC (the format they care) or even good. Set Up Swepers are a Singles thing, for the most part. Kommo-o would sure die the turn it tries to use SS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 06:18:22 No.32815545 Report

Quoted By: >>32815554 >>32815595

>>32815269
Stop perpetuating this. Hydreigon was merely okay by the meta standards back then and didn't get that much worse in Gen 6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 06:21:26 No.32815554 Report

Quoted By: >>32815647

>>32815545
Wasn't it really good in VGC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 06:25:48 No.32815570 Report

Quoted By: >>32815609

>>32815531
They've still got battlespot singles to worry about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 06:31:48 No.32815595 Report

Quoted By: >>32815647

>>32815545
>had literally NO (0) hard counters in the game outside of lolUbers
>best bet was to check it or get a hard-as-fuck read
>"merely okay"
Spotted the Kalosfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 06:34:52 No.32815609 Report

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>>32815570
Do they really care about that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 06:40:45 No.32815637 Report

Quoted By: >>32815643 >>32815898

>Nerfing of the pseudos started with my favorite
It's not fair hydrabros.

But seriously though, how good would Hydreigon have been in its debut if it had those 2-3 extra points in speed?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 06:42:05 No.32815643 Report

Quoted By: >>32815898

>>32815637
Forgot pic

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 06:42:47 No.32815647 Report

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>>32815554
It was indeed pretty good back there, but still saw a lot of use in VGC14, so the point still stands.

>>32815595
Having no counters didn't matter when so much of the meta checked it really well, if not took advantage of it to do some wallbreaking themselves. By the end of Gen 5 it was hovering at around 5% usage in OU and stayed that way until after the gen 5 ended and old gen players realised spike stacking sand balance + Reuniclus was the strongest team in the meta and started spamming Hydreigon to avoid losing to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jun 2017 07:48:02 No.32815898 Report

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>>32815637
>>32815643
I'm not sure about its debut, but I'm glad it doesn't have those speed points now. If it was at a flat 100, there's a good chance it would be stuck with Staraptor in BL hell. At least last gen it was the god of UU.
Also, irrelevant sidenote: fuck the people saying it should have been banned, I ran the set that people said made it broken six months earlier, and it was meh then, and it was meh for the suspect. /rant over

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