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USUM movepool adjustment hopes

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:22:05 No.32838420 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>32838450 >>32838459 >>32838481 >>32838510 >>32838558 >>32838575 >>32838692 >>32838855 >>32839634 >>32840328 >>32843329 >>32845431 >>32847706

They better give this fucker Leaf Storm and Hurricane so a Nasty Plot set would be viable. Would actually find a spot in my rain team too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:24:51 No.32838445 Report

Quoted By: >>32838655 >>32839667

just use shiftry lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:25:17 No.32838450 Report

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>>32838420
>Hurricane
I named my Decidueye Matthew... c-confirmed guys?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:25:56 No.32838459 Report

Quoted By: >>32838486 >>32838639 >>32838837

>>32838420
No, Decidueye is meant to be shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:27:26 No.32838481 Report

Quoted By: >>32838814

>>32838420
>Leaf Storm
>Nasty Plot
???????

That said, a Nasty Plot tutor is long overdue. Swords Dance's counterpart should really be spread around. Then maybe Sceptile would be usable.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:27:40 No.32838486 Report

Quoted By: >>32838639 >>32838837

>>32838459
Truth has been spoken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:29:03 No.32838502 Report

Quoted By: >>32839198

I'm hoping they give it Jump Kick. At least as an egg move from Dodrio. Fuck's sake, Rowlet's dex entry even mentions kicks. The whole line's physical attack animation is an aerial kick. So why the fuck not?

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:29:31 No.32838510 Report

Quoted By: >>32838524 >>32838567 >>32840123

>>32838420
that actually sounds pretty reasonable

give pic related close combat, it won't be OU but it'll be much better
synthesis dhlemise would be pretty nice, too

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:31:35 No.32838524 Report

Quoted By: >>32838535 >>32838567

>>32838510
Just give it fucking Shell Smash. Its stat spread is perfect for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:32:37 No.32838535 Report

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>>32838524
no thanks, I'd rather not break it. Close combat is good enough.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:34:48 No.32838550 Report

Quoted By: >>32838563 >>32838577 >>32838604 >>32838652 >>32838837 >>32839056 >>32839722 >>32840371 >>32845413 >>32846939 >>32847718

This piece of shit is completely unsavable, but I leave it to you /vp/. Find any moves that make it less shitty. You can't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:36:20 No.32838558 Report

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>>32838420
Give it Leech Seed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:37:13 No.32838563 Report

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>>32838550
sugger punch my man

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:37:45 No.32838566 Report

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>Nasty plot set
Why would you not use spirit shackle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:37:49 No.32838567 Report

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>>32838510
>>32838524
>>32838535
Given that "mistake" in the battle tree, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if it got Shell Smash

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:38:06 No.32838571 Report

Quoted By: >>32845555 >>32847715

GIVE COSMOG AND COSMOEM THE ABILITY TO ATTACK (besides struggle)

bonkbonkSUPREME

bonkbonkSUPREME Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:38:40 No.32838575 Report

Quoted By: >>32838586 >>32839198

>>32838420
Bulu could really use play rough as some alternative physical STAB

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:38:51 No.32838577 Report

Quoted By: >>32838837

>>32838550
Agility

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:39:53 No.32838586 Report

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>>32838575
Along the same lines, Koko could use Play Rough so it can make use of its better stat outside of a mixed set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:41:25 No.32838604 Report

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>>32838550
Knock off, elemental punches save for ice, sucker punch, drain punch, fire lash, superpower.
Plus intimidate.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:43:26 No.32838615 Report

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The descriptions imply it's an up close fighter and has a rocky mane that can crush bones. How about actually giving it Close Combat and Head Smash.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:45:43 No.32838637 Report

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Brick Break from TMs, maybe Superpower.
Elemental Punches would be cool as well, but I can't think of much else. Sucker Punch would be nice.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:45:52 No.32838639 Report

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>>32838459
Love you too haters.
>>32838486

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:47:03 No.32838652 Report

Quoted By: >>32838837

>>32838550
I see the owlcucks are coming out of the woodwork again. Stop being a faggot.

Sucker Punch, elemental punches, Knock Off, Recover/Slack Off, Drain Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:47:17 No.32838653 Report

Quoted By: >>32838837 >>32839749 >>32840040

Incineroar
Ability: Intimidate
- Thunder Punch
- Sucker Punch
- Knock Off
- Superpower

Primarina
Ability: Liquid Voice
IVs: 0 Atk
- Signal Beam
- Icy Wind
- Trick
- Heal Bell

Decidueye
Ability: Long Reach
- Block
- Low Kick
- Knock Off
- Heat Wave

Mimikyu
Ability: Disguise
- Foul Play
- Superpower
- Gunk Shot
- Spite

Tapu Lele
Ability: Psychic Surge
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Icy Wind
- Tailwind
- Giga Drain

Buzzwole
Ability: Beast Boost
- Drain Punch
- Bug Bite
- Fire Punch
- Gunk Shot

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:47:24 No.32838655 Report

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>>32838445
>More weaknesses
>Frail on both sides
>Relies on Synthesis for recovery
No thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:52:24 No.32838692 Report

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>>32838420
Hit me up with that knock off tapu koko. I want to ascend good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 01:04:00 No.32838814 Report

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>>32838481
You use Leaf Storm with the Grass Z Crystal(also prevents Knock Off from doing full damage). Gets even better if you enter the Overgrow range before using the Crystal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 01:06:18 No.32838837 Report

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>>32838459
>>32838486
>>32838550
>>32838563
>>32838577
>>32838604
>>32838652
>>32838653
Fucking baras...get the fuck out...

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 01:07:26 No.32838855 Report

Quoted By: >>32843518

>>32838420
I'm hoping we get the Liquid Voice + Boombustcombo on Primarina so I can tear the metagame in half like a madman

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 01:30:14 No.32839056 Report

Quoted By: >>32839198 >>32839284

>>32838550
I'm surprised no one mentioned Pursuit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 01:45:03 No.32839198 Report

Quoted By: >>32839697 >>32845503

>>32838502
Didn't Talonflame's dex entry talk about kicking, too? Man that would've been fun last gen.
>>32838575
Not really, Play Rough would basically never be worth using on Bulu because Grassy Terrain Wood Hammer is so fucking strong. What Bulu really wants is something like High Horsepower or Close Combat to reliably deal with Steels.
>>32839056
Incineroar really got shafted on the Dark STAB side of things.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 01:47:55 No.32839219 Report

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earth power salazzle and turtonator, maybe?

Superbro !/gjflHAlPY

Superbro !/gjflHAlPY Fri 23 Jun 2017 01:55:30 No.32839284 Report

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>>32839056
>tiger
>can't learn pursuit
gamefreak is incompetent

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 01:58:19 No.32839303 Report

Quoted By: >>32839471

better STAB, don't care about anything else

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 02:18:07 No.32839471 Report

Quoted By: >>32839681

>>32839303
Seed Bomb is a given. But Power Whip would be a godsend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 02:41:15 No.32839634 Report

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>>32838420
>Decidueye
Close Combat, Drain Punch, Brick Break (not Superpower please)

>Incineroar
Fire Punch

>Primarina
Boomburst

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 02:45:38 No.32839667 Report

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>>32838445
Shiftry is shittier than Decidueye. Decidueye has very situational abilities but at least they aren't fucking Keen Eye, has good STAB in both sides (Shiftry is either Physical or mixed), has good attacking stats in both sides (but it is often seen as Physical due to Leaf Blade's side effect and Spirit Shackle)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 02:47:45 No.32839681 Report

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>>32839471
She's a dominatrix, Power Whip is a given

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 02:49:50 No.32839697 Report

Quoted By: >>32839709 >>32839749

>>32839198
Superpower would be nice and fitting on Bulu.
Also Earth Power on Lele just to break the meta before it gets kicked upstairs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 02:51:11 No.32839709 Report

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>>32839697
Bulu already gets Superpower.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 02:52:38 No.32839722 Report

Quoted By: >>32839750

>>32838550
once it gets intimidate it could be a a tanky support, a vgc staple like arcanine. fake out/snarl/u turn/leech life. You could uturn to activate intimidate again. If you make a fast set you could run fire pledge instead of leech life to pledge combo it with primarina(with monstrous sp atk).
If the leaked concept art is to be believed, ash's litten is gonna be an incineroar. it's probably gonna get charizard treatment of greninja treatment

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 02:56:01 No.32839749 Report

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>>32839697
>>32838653
>Earth Power on Lele
Please do it GF please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 02:56:36 No.32839750 Report

Quoted By: >>32845526

>>32839722
>it's probably gonna get charizard treatment of greninja treatment
Not even close. Think Torterra given how the Alola saga focuses on being a comedy more than a battle show.

There is no Gen VII Greninja, we'd know by now if there were.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 02:57:23 No.32839754 Report

Quoted By: >>32839779

Ice hammer and Zing Zap get wide distirbutions
Not gonna happen, but it'd be nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 03:01:09 No.32839779 Report

Quoted By: >>32839898

>>32839754
>Zing Zap
If you're gonna dream, dream big.
The Volt Tackle tutor starts teaching other Pokemon the move including Charizard,
Lucario, and Greninja.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 03:17:46 No.32839898 Report

Quoted By: >>32839968

>>32839779
>Charizard, Lucario, and Greninja.
Autistic.

Just make Volt Tackle a mouse-exclusive-move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 03:20:47 No.32839930 Report

Quoted By: >>32840101

Just give Alola Raichu Surf
That's all I ask

Though I would not oppose Shell Smash and Origin Pulse Blastoise

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 03:24:27 No.32839968 Report

Quoted By:

>>32839898
It was a joke, friend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 03:34:55 No.32840040 Report

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>>32838653
Give Primarina Moonlight and we'll have a more than solid tank set in UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 03:45:46 No.32840101 Report

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>>32839930
>Just give Alola Raichu Surf
Can't you just evolve event Surfing Pikachus in Alola?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 03:49:54 No.32840123 Report

Quoted By: >>32840234

>>32838510
Just needs drain punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 04:08:34 No.32840234 Report

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>>32840123
It actually needs both honestly. Dragon isn't the most reliable STAB these days, so being able to make full use of your second STAB would help allot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 04:11:21 No.32840262 Report

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coverage for anything not named drampa

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 04:16:58 No.32840328 Report

Quoted By: >>32840387 >>32840638 >>32847552

>>32838420
Nasty Plot or at least Growth
Aura Sphere
Draco Meteor or Clanging Scales, though I doubt we'll even get Dragon Pulse back
Thunder/Thunderbolt/Discharge etc.
Some sort of non shit Grass STAB, Power Whip or Wood Hammer would be a start. Why are there no usable Special Grass STABs for a sweeper?
ENDURE, I don't know why they ever took this away, and it was the only fucking thing that didn't come back in ORAS

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 04:22:26 No.32840371 Report

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>>32838550
Absolutely needs Sucker Punch and Pursuit to be viable. Knock Off, Superpower, and Agility would be bonuses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 04:24:23 No.32840387 Report

Quoted By: >>32840404

>>32840328
>Why are there no usable Special Grass STABs for a sweeper?
The fuck is wrong with Energy Ball? A solid 90 BP, top-spec 100 Acc, AND a secondary effect to boot! The hell else do you fucking want? Loads of types get by just fine on Energy Ball type-swaps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 04:27:28 No.32840404 Report

Quoted By: >>32840651

>>32840387
Loads of types aren't Grass. It's resisted by everything under the sun. Furthermore, Sceptile's just got weak offenses and needs all the punch he can get even if it means taking an accuracy hit. Grass doesn't have a Fire Blast/Thunder/Blizzard equivalent for some reason, even though even Game Freak is aware Solarbeam is vastly worse than those and is a useless move on anything but very specific Fire types.

bonkbonkSUPREME

bonkbonkSUPREME Fri 23 Jun 2017 05:00:15 No.32840638 Report

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>>32840328
I'd actually like to see Endure+Custap Berry+Harvest on Exeggutor Alola once it can get both HA and endure at the same time and Custap gets released, this'd make it like pre-nerf Talonflame under the sun, flinging around priority moves like nobody's business with both an attack and special attack star high enough to run mixed or exclusively one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 05:02:34 No.32840651 Report

Quoted By: >>32840757

>>32840404
>Grass doesn't have a Fire Blast/Thunder/Blizzard equivalent for some reason
Neither do Bug, Ground, or Psychic, yet Bug Buzz/Earth Power/...Psychic... still manage to get the job done. And Electric and Ice never use Thunder/Blizzard over Thunderbolt/Ice Beam outside of Weather. Grass has Leaf Storm for the nuke option, which, again, some types don't even have. Looking at you, Rock. Energy Ball is fine if sweeping is what you want to do, Leaf Storm is there for punching holes. Very few types can do both at the same time on the Special end.

If you're talking about Sceptile specifically, it has other problems that a better move won't solve. An Ability change to Grassy Surge for either base HA or Mega is closer to what you're looking for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 05:17:15 No.32840757 Report

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>>32840651
>Neither do Bug
Bug has Quiver Dance.
>Ground
Ground is physical and has Earthquake, a move so meta defining it has been nerfed in I think every generation since 3.
>or Psychic
Psychic has Calm Mind and access to insane coverage.

Grassy Surge, while undoubtedly amazing, isn't a tutor move. I'm addressing what the thread is about instead of its incredibly shit abilities. And, as it happens, there are many Pokemon who run Fire Blast or Focus Blast because they need the power over accuracy- Sceptile is one of them. Leaf Storm is not a viable sweeping move, it's a pump and dump move and does not fill those role of a Hydro Pump clone - fuck, it doesn't even have 100 accuracy. Energy Ball is not a substitute for a Fire Blast clone, that's simply a fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 15:52:31 No.32843329 Report

Quoted By: >>32843519

>>32838420
Incineroar NEEDS fire punch and thunder punch. I'm no expert but I'd say the biggest reason Incineroar is sadly in PU right now is because he lacks any water type coverage whatsoever. Giving it thunder punch and fire punch won't make it OU by any means, but he'll at least be able to get out of the bowels of PU.

Drain punch/superpower would also be nice but I'm not holding my breath.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 16:01:49 No.32843374 Report

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I know it's a long shot but I want pic related to get horn leech, leech life and trop kick.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 16:10:14 No.32843433 Report

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>Drain Punch
>Knock Off

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 16:23:25 No.32843518 Report

Quoted By:

>>32838855
That'd be neat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 16:23:51 No.32843519 Report

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>>32843329
The thing fucking up Incineroar this badly is the lack of good dark type stab, namely knock off, sucker punch and pursuit, all of which thematically fit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 16:26:28 No.32843533 Report

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Hoping for Sparkling Aria on some Pokemon more Doubles oriented, or would just appreciate a nice sound move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 20:44:18 No.32845413 Report

Quoted By: >>32845424

>>32838550
What's this animation? Which artist? Have they done any more Pokemon? It looks legit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 20:46:05 No.32845424 Report

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>>32845413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABPd7vwocuY
It's a currently unused walking animation from SM's data. Every Pokemon, including forms Megas, has a walking and running animation.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 20:47:35 No.32845431 Report

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>>32838420
Give Lycanroc Midnight fissure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 20:58:19 No.32845503 Report

Quoted By: >>32845574

>>32839198
Isn't Darkest Lariat more than enough?

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 21:00:36 No.32845526 Report

Quoted By: >>32845574

>>32839750
>owlfags are desperate to take barabros down with them now that they've realized that Ash's Litten is his "serious, battling" starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 21:04:24 No.32845555 Report

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>>32838571
Okay. Now gets recover, toxic, protect, and heal bell

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 21:07:15 No.32845574 Report

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>>32845503
Knock Off is stronger on the first use and has better utility, Sucker Punch has priority which gets around Incineroar's shit speed, and Pursuit has good utility as well.
All three make sense, all three see wide distribution anyway, and all three are worth using over Darkest Lariat.
>>32845526
But anon, I can't stand Decidueye. Incineroar's the only Gen VII starter I actually like.
I'm just calling it like I see it. The fact that there's any debate over who the Gen VII shillmon is pretty clearly proves that there is no shillmon this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 00:10:14 No.32846939 Report

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>>32838550
teach that nigga waterfall

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 01:42:08 No.32847552 Report

Quoted By: >>32847599

>>32840328
>nasty plot
Doesn't fit thematically
>aura sphere
Extremely stingy distribution, if it's not legendary/friendship/fighting type/mega launcher it won't happen
>clanging scales
I don't see any armor on it
>power whip
It doesn't learn any whip moves. It has no vines.

These are pretty much out of the question.

>draco meteor
Only for dragon types. If they decide dragon megas count, maybe, in which case zard and ampharos also get it.
>electric moves
If you're extremely fucking lucky and they go full retard with the lightning rod meme.
>wood hammer
Sure, its tail is a tree. But for what fucking purpose? Shit attack stat and recoil.
>endure
Okay, but If you think this would suddenly make unburden sceptile not shit I have bad news for you.

Growth is the most logical addition and it already learns Work Up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 01:46:20 No.32847599 Report

Quoted By: >>32847635

>>32847552
the tapus and seeds already made unburden sceptile usable. Not great, but more usable than say, emboar or even feraligatr in the current meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 01:51:33 No.32847635 Report

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>>32847599
Everything is more useful than Emboar. Endure does nothing for Seed builds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 02:00:58 No.32847706 Report

Quoted By: >>32847727

>>32838420

Give Crabrawler Dynamic Punch

Iron Fist just for Ice Hammer is useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 02:02:01 No.32847715 Report

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>>32838571
I second this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 02:02:14 No.32847718 Report

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>>32838550

>Heel Pokemon

>No Sucker Punch or Pursuit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 02:03:45 No.32847727 Report

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>>32847706
It already learns Dynamic Punch.

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