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Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:04:12 No.32962620 View View Reply Original Report

The following changes are made to Generation 1 games before release.
>Bug resists Psychic
>All Bug type Pokemon gain access to a 75 base power Bug type attack.
>The Ghost type bug is corrected, and Ghost hits Psychic for SE damage as it should.
>Gengar and Hypno now gain access to a 90 base power Ghost type attack.
>Farfetch'd is replaced by a Ghost/Bug Pokemon with decent stats.
>Lickitung is replaced by a Bug/Ice Pokemon with decent stats.
Are Psychic types still overpowered? Do we still see the Psychic nerf in Gen II? How would the Gen I meta change?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:07:35 No.32962647 Report

Quoted By: >>32962660 >>32962673

Why replace my man Lickitung like that? What did it ever do to you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:09:07 No.32962655 Report

Quoted By: >>32962673

Why replace my man DUX like that? What did it ever do to you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:09:52 No.32962660 Report

Quoted By:

>>32962647
It isn't that useful, even in Gen I.
If it makes you feel better, replace Lickitung or Farfetch'd with any underpowered and irrelevant Gen I mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:12:59 No.32962673 Report

Quoted By: >>32962694

>>32962655
>>32962647
lickitung and farfetch'd were awful then and still awful

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:15:07 No.32962688 Report

Quoted By: >>32962725

>>32962620
>gengar gets access to a ghost attack
>65 base attack
kek

in all seriousness, psychic would def be better off, though still pretty strong

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:15:30 No.32962694 Report

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>>32962673
Farfetch'd is pretty clearly just for a Fly and Cut mon. It wasn't even the best at that, but if you're wasting half your moves on HMs you might as well have a garbage Pokemon do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:17:38 No.32962709 Report

Quoted By: >>32962714 >>32962722 >>32962725

Half of your changes are things they introduced in Gen 2, so the only things they would implement to further nerf Psychic would be Dark and Steel.

And I still think they'd include those.

Regardless, the Gen 1 meta was NOT Psychic everywhere. Yeah there are plenty of strong Psychics, but Normal was by far the most commonly used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:19:13 No.32962714 Report

Quoted By:

>>32962709
they go hand in hand, honestly
psychic enabled normal to be even stronger than it already was

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:19:47 No.32962718 Report

Quoted By: >>32962730

Now the normal types have even less checks. Good job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:20:17 No.32962722 Report

Quoted By: >>32962752

>>32962709
I think that was more a product of everything having shitty movepools, but also everything could learn double-edge and body slam than any type balance.

As far as OU mons go, psychic and water were far more populous than normal types

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:21:26 No.32962725 Report

Quoted By: >>32962739

>>32962688
It sounds bad with only 65 base attack, but keep in mind that it's vs. things like 55/45 or 65/35 physical bulk a good majority of the time. There aren't really any Psychic types outside of legendary Pokemon and Slowbro that can really tank physical hits all that well.

>>32962709
Normal was incredibly useful, but that's really mostly because Tauros was so good, and Hyper Beam in general was busted. That still doesn't undercut the fact that a good chunk of the relevant meta was psychic type, thanks to the fact that the typing had no real downsides to it. And Normal actually had pretty good checks back then, thanks to bulky Rock types being decent choices back in the day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:22:35 No.32962730 Report

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>>32962718
>Psychic no longer goes unchecked.
>Fighting is now usable
>Normal now has to worry about its weakness getting exploited
Just give Fighting a good STAB and they're good to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:23:32 No.32962739 Report

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>>32962725
>thanks to bulky Rock types being decent choices back in the day.
You mean Rhydon and Golem being good. None of the other rock types were used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:25:07 No.32962752 Report

Quoted By: >>32962761

>>32962722
It should be noted though that the only Water types that really saw use were also Psychic, excluding Cloyster.
I would say the two most popular types back then may have actually been Psychic and Ice, as Blizzard spam was very potent in Gen I.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:26:39 No.32962761 Report

Quoted By: >>32962800

>>32962752
lapras

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:32:17 No.32962800 Report

Quoted By: >>32962823

>>32962761
Funny enough, another Water/Ice.
They might be relevant more because of how good Ice was than how good Water was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:34:59 No.32962823 Report

Quoted By: >>32962840 >>32962859 >>32962866

>>32962800
Articuno wasn't ou, though and it had the strongest blizzard in the game.
Dewgong either for that matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:38:05 No.32962840 Report

Quoted By:

>>32962823
Dewgong is basically just a shitty Lapras overall though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:41:23 No.32962859 Report

Quoted By:

>>32962823
It was still usable in OU, which is more than what you can say for, say, Moltres. It really just suffered from eh speed and moveset, which combined with its poor bulk and typing for tanking things prevents it from being a truly good offensive mon like other Ice types.
Dewgong was just a worse Lapras.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jul 2017 18:42:32 No.32962866 Report

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>>32962823
Articuno most definitely was OU. So few people play RBY OU these days that the tier list fluctuates a lot based on the preferences of the current players. A lot of Pokemon like Kinger, Persian, Victreebel, Aricuno, and even Dodrio were once mainstays in OU, while Cloyster suddenly started seeing loads of use a few years back.

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