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Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 04:17:01 No.33022111 View View Reply Original Report

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Hoenn (Emerald) has the best level design in the series

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 04:35:39 No.33022216 Report

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>>33022111
Its not bad at all.

I remember being pleasantly satisfied when I started RSE. I wasn't sure they could follow up Johto but they did. I missed Shoal Cave completed my first play through.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 04:37:44 No.33022233 Report

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>>33022111
it's disappointing how much better of a tropical region hoenn was compared to alola

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 04:40:59 No.33022252 Report

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>>33022111
better than whatever shit came after.
hoenn safari zone a shit tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 04:57:10 No.33022355 Report

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>>33022111
define good level design
don't get me wrong, I love the fuck out of Hoenn but I see this thrown around a lot
what exactly is good level design?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 04:59:09 No.33022371 Report

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>>33022111
>no route gates
>variety of biomes that are nicely blended

One of my favorite regions

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 04:59:56 No.33022378 Report

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When people say rpgs have levels. And no I don't mean leveling up smart asses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:01:49 No.33022393 Report

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i love how hoenn is a yin/yang symbol

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:02:22 No.33022401 Report

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>>33022355
Two things: good dungeons, and optional/hidden areas.

A "dungeon" in the case of Pokémon isn't just limited to a cave but can be almost interior as long as it has some complexity to the map layout. Places like Tin Tower and the Abandoned Ship are dungeons even though they're not caves.

Optional and hidden locations are self-explanatory, but for a good example, see the northern half of Hoenn Route 115 (pic related).

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd

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Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:02:55 No.33022407 Report

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>>33022378
would you rather we called it 'chapters'/'episodes'?

also some RPGs DO have levels. in criminal girls for example, the whole game is one big dungeon where you go from one floor to the next and there is little to do in floors you have already cleared.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:04:12 No.33022417 Report

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>>33022378
Level design isn't a term bound by genre. The construction a map in literally any kind of video game is level design. Designing a race track in a car is level design.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:04:48 No.33022421 Report

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>>33022111
>make a zigzag with a zigzag in it
>good design

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:05:25 No.33022428 Report

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>>33022417
*In a car game

I meant to say.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:05:37 No.33022429 Report

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>>33022393
>land
>water
>volcano
>sootopolis
I'm a little drunk and this just mind fucked me. Thank you anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:06:46 No.33022436 Report

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>>33022393
holy FUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:07:30 No.33022439 Report

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>>33022441
You're retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:08:09 No.33022442 Report

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yup, only autists with hydrophobia disagree

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:08:42 No.33022447 Report

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>>33022421
GOAT route.

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:11:27 No.33022466 Report

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>>33022393
never noticed that before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 05:44:44 No.33022682 Report

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>>33022393
>ORAS fucks this up by making the ocean full of islands instead of expanding dive spots
>>33022429
>ORAS fucks this up by making the water volcano actually a meteor

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 06:09:22 No.33022809 Report

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>>33022355
variety in terrains if it's a map.

like you got a swamp, a volcano region, a desert, lush greens, woods, muh water route, beach, urban and so forth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 06:10:59 No.33022820 Report

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>>33022111
Imagine Hoenn being twice the region it is and if it had 16 gyms. that would be cool.

at the very least I got Flora Sky to scratch that itch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 09:50:35 No.33023644 Report

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You are now aware that the region is shaped like the Yin/Yang symbols, with Kyogre's and Groudon's caves as centerpoints.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 11:35:58 No.33023899 Report

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>>33022393
>>33022429
what the fuck

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 14:00:45 No.33024368 Report

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I would argue ORAS does just because it seems to have a few more dive spots. But then again Emerald has Team Magma's HQ. Regardless, it's safe to say Hoenn is the best designed region, and only fanboys would disagree. Not only does it emphasize exploration and gives the player the option to skip certain gyms, but it managed to do so without breaking it's level curve.

Regions like Unova and Alola were linear like a straw, but Johto's biggest flaw is it's retarded level spike. Kanto is the only region that is like Hoenn in this regard, but Kanto was just grasslands and caves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 14:01:49 No.33024372 Report

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>>33022355
>I love the fuck out of Hoenn
no you don't

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 16:24:30 No.33025159 Report

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>>33022421
>ORAS uses dark green pallette and conifers everywhere
>instead of the bright green trees and tealish grass used in RSE
reeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 16:32:31 No.33025211 Report

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>>33022111
/board

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 20:52:24 No.33027088 Report

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>page 10

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 20:57:07 No.33027125 Report

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>>33027088
Well nobody's actually been able to disagree with OP so there's not much discussion going on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 21:00:01 No.33027140 Report

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>>33024368
Eh, I'd say Johto's distribution is a bigger issue than its weird level scaling. You at least end up 8-10 levels below the champion with a 6 mon team like in most games but for whatever reason Johto really refused to take advantage of the variety it offered. There's a lot of diversity in its mons (especially in HGSS) but the encounter tables are fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 21:03:31 No.33027162 Report

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>>33022233
Thats because Hoenn is surrounded by ocean and actually uses it, that's what made the difference
If USUM up the ante on that aspect, It'll be a huge improvement

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 21:17:56 No.33027237 Report

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>>33024368
>I would argue ORAS does just because it seems to have a few more dive spots. But then again Emerald has Team Magma's HQ.
Emerald also had:
>Mirage tower
>Steven's room in Meteor Falls
>Terra/Marine Cave
>Expanded Safari Zone
>Artisan Cave
>Desert Underpass
>Altering Cave
>Event Islands like Navel Rock
Emerald brought a lot more areas to Hoenn.

I also really like Unova, you had a ton of post game areas to go to.

Lily

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Lily Fri 14 Jul 2017 21:19:34 No.33027243 Report

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>>33023644
N-NANI?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jul 2017 21:32:55 No.33027323 Report

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>>33027237
I like early-game Unova where it sort of feels like you're exploring the woods behind your house more than trekking through the untamed wilderness. The urban/suburban vibe was really cool, and I wished they'd kept it going more later on. The volcano was especially jarring in BW2.

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