>>33046206oh, I forgot, your first game was BW. In DPPt, empoleon was better as an HM slave than an actual battler, but torterra was decent and infernape could solo the games. Turtwig became more viable in platinum, which had houndoom, another good in game fire type. To put it in BW terms: many people like serperior, but it's the worst one to use in game.
