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A type being strong against itself.

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 14:46:22 No.33117943 View View Reply Original Report

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Literally how can you be weak to your own element?

Defend this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 14:49:59 No.33117960 Report

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>>33117943
Sometimes the only weakness you have is yourself.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 14:50:06 No.33117961 Report

Quoted By: >>33121059

Magic must defeat magic!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 14:50:28 No.33117965 Report

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>>33117943
Its one of the most common tropes in fiction you stupid fuck

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 14:51:54 No.33117972 Report

Quoted By: >>33117990 >>33118050

>>33117943
fire isn't weak to fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 14:53:46 No.33117987 Report

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>>33117943
So stabbing someone means you shouldn't be weak to being stabbed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 14:54:06 No.33117989 Report

Quoted By: >>33118003 >>33118117

>>33117965
Just because it's common doesn't mean it's good game design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 14:54:13 No.33117990 Report

Quoted By: >>33124796

>>33117972
thanks for not contributing to the conversation. door's that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 14:54:48 No.33117992 Report

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>>33117965
This. It uses the same logic that Ghost uses for it to be able to be immune to Fighting and Normal, but not Steel or any other type that comprises of physical matter.

"Normal" people can't touch ghosts by any means, and ghosts also can't touch us. But a ghost can touch a ghost, so that's what you would use to fight a ghost.

For Dragon it's because only a dragon is as powerful as a dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 14:56:37 No.33118003 Report

Quoted By: >>33118032

>>33117989
>implying OP knows anything about game design

Wowee another armchair dev thread, please share your ideas for a perfectly balanced type chart with us anon!

Faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:01:57 No.33118027 Report

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>>33117943
I don't have in-game universe canon information explaining it.

All Typing weaknesses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:03:03 No.33118032 Report

Quoted By: >>33118042 >>33118055

>>33118003
I'm not talking about balance, you idiot. I'm talking lorewise, it makes no sense for a type to be weak to itself. How come Garchomp gets destroyed when he gets hit by a dragonbreath, but somehow feels nothing when he uses the move himself?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:04:26 No.33118042 Report

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>>33118032
What does that even mean? Why would a fire type not be immune to fire if the logic is "Weakness means you can't use the move"
Why would a dragons breath hurt itself? It makes plenty of sense that dragons are so strong that they can only hurt each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:06:00 No.33118050 Report

Quoted By: >>33118060

>>33117972
Because more fire fuels fire

Just like how more water is just adding on to the water that was already present

But pit two bloodthirsty dragons against each other and guarantee they'll fuck each other up

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:06:29 No.33118055 Report

Quoted By: >>33118067 >>33120318

>>33118032
How come someone gets destroyed when hit by a bullet, but somehow feels nothing when they fire the gun themselves?
Retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:07:18 No.33118060 Report

Quoted By: >>33118152

>>33118050
Just checking, you're AGREEING with the type system then? If water types are allowed to hurt each other it makes perfect sense that two dragons can ruin each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:07:45 No.33118064 Report

Quoted By: >>33123501

Dragons ans Ghosts are territorial?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:08:07 No.33118067 Report

Quoted By: >>33118106 >>33118129 >>33118148

>>33118055
Because when you fire a gun, the bullet doesn't go through your own fucking throat.
Retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:09:08 No.33118074 Report

Quoted By: >>33120992

Normal/Ghost is equally interesting because it's the only type combination that is wholly immune to itself, discounting any ability interaction (eg., Electric/Ground with Levitate)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:10:18 No.33118078 Report

Quoted By: >>33118122

The idea is that ghosts are non-corporeal, so using non-corporeal ghost attacks or hurting its spirit using cruel Dark attacks is the most effective way to hurt them.

For dragons, it's basically a balanced way of saying they're strong against everything and only a dragon can beat a dragon. Since making a type resist almost everything and neutral to itself would be absurdly broken even by Gen 1 standards, they instead made it only resist the 4 starter/"elemental" types, weak to itself, and weak to ice because reptiles or whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:14:07 No.33118106 Report

Quoted By: >>33118194

>>33118067
But the bullet doesn't destroy the gun either despite both being made of metal.

Face it OP, you're retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:15:13 No.33118117 Report

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>>33117989
At the time of RGBY, it was good game design. There was only one Ghost type (Gengar), and one Dragon type (Dratini line). The idea of them being weak to themselves worked well because they, at the time, had so few other weaknesses. Now, the only Dragon move (Dragon Rage) and one of two damaging Ghost moves (Night Shade) dealing set damage was a pretty big design flaw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:16:13 No.33118122 Report

Quoted By: >>33118140

>>33118078
>biting a ghost is an effective way to hurt it

this is a mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:17:19 No.33118129 Report

Quoted By: >>33118173

>>33118067
Are you fucking brain damaged? Why would breathing dragon breath burn the inside of a dragon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:19:18 No.33118140 Report

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>>33118122
Again, Dark element = cruel energy piercing the netherworld. There's a reason Dark was considered a Special type before Gen IV despite almost all of its moves being based on physical actions.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:20:07 No.33118147 Report

Quoted By: >>33118199

This thread really reminds me of the often-occurred claspect discussions in the Homestuck community that I often peeped upon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:20:18 No.33118148 Report

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>>33118067
This is in no way a valid argument.
Or even a valid parallel.

How low is your fucking IQ dude?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:20:34 No.33118152 Report

Quoted By: >>33118203

>>33118060
Well look at it this way

Water isn't very effective to Water because like anon said, you are just adding water on top of water. Same for fire, because fire just fuels fire. Grass adds onto Grass, etc. etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:24:20 No.33118173 Report

Quoted By: >>33118194 >>33118203

>>33118129
It doesn't, that's my point. If it doesn't hurt on the fragile inside, why should it hurt on the much tougher outside?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:28:45 No.33118194 Report

Quoted By: >>33118216

>>33118173
see >>33118106

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:29:36 No.33118199 Report

Quoted By: >>33120417 >>33123297

>>33118147
What type would each aspect be?
>Breath
Flying
>Light
Fairy
>Time
Steel
>Space
Ground
>Mind
Water?
>Heart
Psychic
>Life
Grass
>Void
Ghost
>Hope
Dragon
>Doom
Poison
>Blood
Bug?
>Rage
Dark

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:30:16 No.33118203 Report

Quoted By: >>33118253

>>33118173
You are shitposting right? You're saying no thing that fires or projects anything for self defense or offense on the planet hurts other things that share a loose concept with them?
Bombardier beetles can't hurt insects?
Lions can't fight because their teeth magically don't effect other lions because they too have teeth?
>>33118152
And that's why the type chart is correct. Water on water isn't doing much bar hurting the physical being that's creating the water. Dragon on Dragon is a fight between two things that can rip each other apart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:32:01 No.33118216 Report

Quoted By: >>33118251 >>33118253

>>33118194
>a gun and a living being are somehow analogous
good meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:37:07 No.33118251 Report

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>>33118216
>a living being

You mean a fictional being in a video game? You're entire argument is an appeal to ludonarrative dissonance, and a poorly made one at that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:37:10 No.33118253 Report

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>>33118216
>A controlled explosion/expulsion inside a thing that we know how it works is not analogous in any useful way to a controlled explosion/expulsion inside a fictional being
Despite the fact that inanimate objects are alive in Pokémon plenty if you want to be that petty then see >>33118203
Bombardier Beetles are the closest we're going to get to a fictional creature breathing fire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:54:52 No.33118373 Report

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By OP's logic no Pokemon should be able to use a move that would be super-effective against itself, or even have a dual type that is effective against itself.

Is OP still here? If you want to save yourself any further embarrassment I recommend deleting your thread.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 19:25:17 No.33119894 Report

Quoted By: >>33119981

>>33117943
It's very common irl.A more recent version is DU armored tanks defeated by DU penetrators.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 19:32:57 No.33119981 Report

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>>33119894
Pretty sure OP hung himself hours ago

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 20:05:16 No.33120264 Report

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>>33117943
Apparently, Giratina can't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 20:12:04 No.33120318 Report

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>>33118055
Fire a powerful enough gun and it could still knock you down

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 20:16:59 No.33120350 Report

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This thread is awful.
The subject matter is not even thought provoking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 20:20:34 No.33120385 Report

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The scales of a dragon repels common attacks, but is vulnerable to its own fang.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 20:24:58 No.33120417 Report

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>>33118199
>Homestuck
Wew lad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 20:26:24 No.33120430 Report

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>>33117943
game respects game, that's why

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 20:27:30 No.33120436 Report

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>>33117943
You ever see anything from the alien franchise?
Stab a xenomorph with its own tail, or a different one's tail, and it can kill it. One might argue...it's weak to itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 21:29:21 No.33120937 Report

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>>33117943
A STAND CAN ONLY BE DEFEATED BY ANOTHER STAND

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 21:36:18 No.33120992 Report

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>>33118074
A mon like that would probably get some other types of moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 21:44:12 No.33121059 Report

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>>33117961
ayyya

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Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 21:46:33 No.33121074 Report

Quoted By: >>33122778

>>33117943
i don't know, ask metal man

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 21:48:13 No.33121091 Report

Quoted By:

>>33117943
watch how the film The Incredibles ended. The only thing strong enough to defeat the enemy was itself

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Jul 2017 23:38:12 No.33122192 Report

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>>33117943

>being too stupid to get this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 00:31:12 No.33122778 Report

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>>33121074
>i don't know, ask every mega man 2 bosses bar a few
ftfy.

Also, OP has gone missing. It's at least better than him going full retard and spouting nonsense. I'm proud of you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 01:23:28 No.33123257 Report

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>>33117943
In the words of HTTYD2, "Only dragons can defeat dragons"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 01:27:57 No.33123297 Report

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>>33118199
I'm thinking more
Mind - psychic, heart - fairy, light - water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 01:30:40 No.33123325 Report

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>>33117943
It reinforced how rare those types were in early gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 01:48:08 No.33123501 Report

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>>33118064
Yeah this is why I don't get close to cemeteries at night.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 01:49:47 No.33123523 Report

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>>33117943
You didn't think this through did ya pal?

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Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 02:36:49 No.33123900 Report

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Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 03:01:05 No.33124093 Report

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>>33117943

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 04:37:12 No.33124755 Report

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>>33117960
That's deep... about as deep as I went in your.... MOM! lol XDDDDD

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 04:44:40 No.33124796 Report

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>>33117990
>never hearing the phrase "fight fire with fire"
Sure, it means "fight something with the same thing", but Flying types are weak to Rock types because of the phrase, "kill two birds with one stone".

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 05:26:27 No.33125031 Report

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desu fairy should be weak to itself also, and that should replace its strength to dark

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Jul 2017 05:29:59 No.33125054 Report

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>>33117943
I'm a person and I'm weak to other people hurting me

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