So, guys. People used to tell a lot how ugly and shit are blaziken and meganium. I tend to understand their view, while blaziken is my favorite fire starter I kind disgust Meganium. I think its color was wrong. Bayleef color is soo more adorable. Someone could paint its...so, anyway. My point is, I never saw you talking how combusken and bayleef are, probably, two of the best second stage starter. I know that it's depends of your taste and opinion, sure. But, I love them and In my point they are in some point even better than final form. I personally could do a team with both on the midle stage (everstone). Maybe I will. What do you think about them? Hugs!