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Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:15:49 No.33183457 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>33183477 >>33183478 >>33183480 >>33183490 >>33183500 >>33183553 >>33183827 >>33184449 >>33184803 >>33184804 >>33184906 >>33184963

Flygon gets arena trap. is it good now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:17:55 No.33183469 Report

Quoted By: >>33184451

No, because it's weak to ground

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:18:33 No.33183473 Report

Quoted By: >>33183483 >>33183686 >>33184389

Outclassed by Dugtrio, but would probably be banned from lower tiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:18:57 No.33183477 Report

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>>33183457
>arena trapper that's better than dugtrio
banned in five years_

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:19:01 No.33183478 Report

Quoted By: >>33184389

>>33183457
it's definitely good, uu at least. as for ou, probably not because while it is way bulkier than dugtrio, it's also slower by a good margin. hard to say though. although, quick attack might give it some use, dumb as that sounds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:19:04 No.33183480 Report

Quoted By: >>33183507 >>33184389

>>33183457
>gets to be BL instead of UU and is now not only outclassed by Garchompbut also Dugtrio
Sure, anon. Sure.

What it really needs is Quiver Dance...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:19:52 No.33183483 Report

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>>33183473
>Outclassed
>what is U-turn
>what is Dragon Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:20:43 No.33183490 Report

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>>33183457
yeah especially if you're bulking up on dragon dances. immediate OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:22:00 No.33183500 Report

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>>33183457
The solution is to give all bad pokemon Multiscale or Wonder Guard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:23:22 No.33183507 Report

Quoted By: >>33183518

>>33183480

Flygon does not, and never will, deserve Quiver Dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:24:49 No.33183518 Report

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>>33183507
It deserves it more than Pheromosa

also I always support anything that puts more boomburst in the meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:32:00 No.33183553 Report

Quoted By: >>33183792

>>33183457
>she

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:41:06 No.33183608 Report

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Regular abilities:

>sand stream and arena trap

Hidden ability:

>tinted lens

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 16:52:38 No.33183686 Report

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>>33183473
Maybe as a revenge killer but holy fuck dump that thing in on something that can't stop it, boost up to +6 attack and speed and break the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 17:02:01 No.33183731 Report

Quoted By: >>33183809 >>33183850

>Trap an electric type or a wall
>Dragon dance six times
>Sweep

It would be OU obviously, it can get rid of and setup sneaky pebbles, setup tailwind, boost it's accuracy for fissure memes, if there's something good about discount garchomp, is it's wide movepool

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 17:11:14 No.33183785 Report

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>boost it's accuracy for fissure memes
This is the people that actually believe that Flygon will be good some day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 17:12:04 No.33183792 Report

Quoted By: >>33183800

>>33183553
whom are you quoting

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 17:13:34 No.33183800 Report

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>>33183792
Not sure I got so used to the she meme I use it even when they don't say she too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 17:14:45 No.33183809 Report

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>>33183731
>accuracy for fissure memes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 17:16:50 No.33183827 Report

Quoted By: >>33184333 >>33184385

>>33183457
It would likely not be OU but
>switch to a choiced Electric move
>DD up to +6/+6
>gg unless STAB ice shard
Or run some bulky set designed to trap weaker walls like non-shed shell Toxapex and Sub/DD away

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 17:20:13 No.33183850 Report

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>>33183731
>boost it's accuracy for fissure memes
OHKO moves are unaffected by accuracy/evasion modifiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:24:30 No.33184333 Report

Quoted By: >>33184405

>>33183827
Totally would be OU. Ice shard would be the only way to deal with it effectively. Garchomp is OU already and it DOESN'T have dragon dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:29:28 No.33184369 Report

Quoted By: >>33184402

don't forget it also gets roost so there is a wide number of pokemon it could safely set up to

arena trap flygon would honestly be ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:31:37 No.33184385 Report

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>>33183827
could even slap a yache berry onto it to ensure not even mamoswine could OHKO with ice shard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:31:55 No.33184389 Report

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Uber.
>>33183473
>>33183478
>>33183480
Retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:34:04 No.33184402 Report

Quoted By: >>33184415

>>33184369
I feel they're are too many counters and checks in ubers for Flygon. Flygon is still too brittle to take on an outrage/ice beam/draco meteor

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:34:21 No.33184405 Report

Quoted By: >>33184416

>>33184333
The problem is that it's stats are too low for OU these days. There is a limit to how far a 80/80/80 base bulk can take you, even with a fully invested spread. Methinks it would be too situational to see tournament usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:35:23 No.33184415 Report

Quoted By: >>33184434

>>33184402
Ubers is a banlist, so it wouldn't matter how well (or not) Flygon does there

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:35:59 No.33184416 Report

Quoted By: >>33184436

>>33184405
oh but a pokemon like starmie should just drop to NU with stats like those am i rite?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:39:22 No.33184434 Report

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>>33184415
yes but as we all know smogon's tiering and banning is shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:39:29 No.33184436 Report

Quoted By: >>33184439 >>33184446

>>33184416
Starmie has 115 base speed

Starmie also hasn't been OU for a while

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:40:32 No.33184439 Report

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>>33184436
It'll go back to OU once the frogs get banned. If they get banned at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:41:02 No.33184446 Report

Quoted By: >>33184488

>>33184436
because a whole 15 points makes a difference when it also has DRAGON DANCE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:41:16 No.33184449 Report

Quoted By: >>33184477

>>33183457
Nope. Gamefreak is below-shit-tier at balancing a metagame so there were always be significantly more pokemon that are shit than actually good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:41:30 No.33184451 Report

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>>33183469
Ground and Dragon are not weak to Ground. The only change would be that Flygon wouldn't be immune to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:44:12 No.33184477 Report

Quoted By: >>33184496 >>33184505 >>33184635 >>33184839

>>33184449
Game freak created Pokémon.
They know what's balance and what's not.

No stupid fan know more than the creators about their own game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:45:21 No.33184488 Report

Quoted By: >>33184520

>>33184446
Considering most OU scarfers these days have 101+ speed, yes it fucking does

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:45:42 No.33184496 Report

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>>33184477
That's debatable considering how much of a cluster fuck power creep happened in the last two gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:46:26 No.33184505 Report

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>>33184477
t. John "we didn't suspect people would use special Aegislash" GameFreak

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 18:48:06 No.33184520 Report

Quoted By: >>33184643 >>33184753

>>33184488
I think you're forgetting the point of arena trap. If flygon doesn't trap a scarfer it can set up and outspeed everything that doesn't have priority ice type moves. You really don't understand strategy at all.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:03:46 No.33184635 Report

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>>33184477
>They know what's balance
You almost got me there

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:04:56 No.33184643 Report

Quoted By: >>33184706 >>33184718

>>33184520
But what can you even set up on with Flygon? All I can think of is weak grounded walls such as Toxapex and non HP Ice Tangrowth (which you probably won't KO even at +6 attack anyway) and even then, the 4MSS limits what you can do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:13:35 No.33184706 Report

Quoted By: >>33184718

>>33184643
you would probably just run earthquake, DD, roost, and dragon claw; it's pretty close to unresisted coverage and while you can't ohko tangrowth at +6 what is it doing back to you that you can't roost off? it would just be a better dugtrio honestly

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:16:04 No.33184718 Report

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>>33184643
this >>33184706
there's barely anything that can ohko flygon without being knocked out in return.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:20:37 No.33184753 Report

Quoted By: >>33184783

>>33184520
The problem with Flygon isn't bulky to set up, it can take hits of some weak mons but actually it only would set up in with Choice specs magnezone, Toxapex has haze so it can't boost to +6, the other walls can break its subs, Unaware Clefairy laughts at it and is easy revenge kill it with priority. The bulk is the reason that keeps Flygon out of OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:23:34 No.33184783 Report

Quoted By: >>33184806 >>33184852

>>33184753
again garchomp. garchomp has similar bulk to flygon and its still terrorizing OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:26:17 No.33184803 Report

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>>33183457
I couldnt tell you if it would be Ubers or not, but it definitely would be used in Ubers more than Dugtrio snce it has servicable bulk, more attacks and waaaay more utility

The 20 point speed loss would be most forgivable

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:26:20 No.33184804 Report

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>>33183457
it would be banned instantly.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:26:22 No.33184806 Report

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>>33184783
You're kidding right?
108/95 is only slightly less physically defensive than fucking Skarmory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:30:16 No.33184839 Report

Quoted By: >>33184874

>>33184477
please tell me that this is bait.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:31:56 No.33184852 Report

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>>33184783
>95 def vs 80 def
>108 hp vs 80 hp
""""""similar bulk""""""

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Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:35:50 No.33184874 Report

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>>33184839
It probably is but id love to know what process they use to determine Pokemon stats and movepools

What do you guys think about Thousand Arrows Sandslash

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:40:39 No.33184906 Report

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>>33183457
It needs to be buffed into a Pseudo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:45:25 No.33184933 Report

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anything that already checks landorus and garchomp would check flygon, plus it has 20 less speed than dugtrio with the same attack so its outclassed as a ground trapper

would flygon be ok as a ground trapper? probably
would there be better alternatives? yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:48:22 No.33184948 Report

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Banned
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Aug 2017 19:50:57 No.33184963 Report

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>>33183457
Not really but thanks for the cute picture

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